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Postby DT. » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:09 pm

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insan wrote:DT, I could have never understood what's wrong with TCs Taksim stance while GCs backed by Greece had been struggling for Enosis. Could u please explain?


Insan the will for taksim is important in the context that I use it because it shows that despite the political mistakes of the GC's, the TC's had a plan for taksim at the ready. Now whether it was plan A or plan B it all depends who you are. Kutchuk with his 1957 declaration obviously had it as plan A


In 1957; even onwards and backwards, Plan A of GCs was Enosis. DT, in a united Cyprus that TCs have political equality and Turkey's guarantorship; there's no reason for us to pursue Taksim policy. One must be too brainless not to see the difficulties in front of Taksim during the cold-war era and even onwards. However, when it is left for u as the only option to choose; u can even struggle for the only option even if it is most difficult to be achieved.


Sorry, but I'm not reading you here. In 1957 we were not equal partners in Cyprus and the Cyprus constitution does not state we are equal partners either. If we were equal then why is there a 70-30 split in all the govts institutions?
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Postby DT. » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:11 pm

Bananiot wrote:This time, deeply disappointed by your response DT. I'll get back to this tomorrow, but I cannot resist making one small point at this moment.

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I'll ask you from refraining of using gossip that was circulating at the time ston kafenen tou Tooulli tjai sto chai ths Stete's mou ths Kshakshous
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even held a large scale military exercise at the summer holiday home of Makarios at Troodos.


Please direct your above comment to Glafkos Klerides who wrote this before he became "senile" in His Deposition. Your response to the fact that the paramilitarists were training away on Mount Troodos, next to the summer residence of Makarios, does you no credit at all. I expected better, to say the least.


As I said...o pappous mou o Toullis tjai h yiayia mou h Kshakshou.
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Postby YFred » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:14 pm

DT. wrote:
Bananiot wrote:This time, deeply disappointed by your response DT. I'll get back to this tomorrow, but I cannot resist making one small point at this moment.

You wrote:

I'll ask you from refraining of using gossip that was circulating at the time ston kafenen tou Tooulli tjai sto chai ths Stete's mou ths Kshakshous
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even held a large scale military exercise at the summer holiday home of Makarios at Troodos.


Please direct your above comment to Glafkos Klerides who wrote this before he became "senile" in His Deposition. Your response to the fact that the paramilitarists were training away on Mount Troodos, next to the summer residence of Makarios, does you no credit at all. I expected better, to say the least.


As I said...o pappous mou o Toullis tjai h yiayia mou h Kshakshou.

Toullin na se tho
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Postby insan » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:27 pm

DT. wrote:
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insan wrote:DT, I could have never understood what's wrong with TCs Taksim stance while GCs backed by Greece had been struggling for Enosis. Could u please explain?


Insan the will for taksim is important in the context that I use it because it shows that despite the political mistakes of the GC's, the TC's had a plan for taksim at the ready. Now whether it was plan A or plan B it all depends who you are. Kutchuk with his 1957 declaration obviously had it as plan A


In 1957; even onwards and backwards, Plan A of GCs was Enosis. DT, in a united Cyprus that TCs have political equality and Turkey's guarantorship; there's no reason for us to pursue Taksim policy. One must be too brainless not to see the difficulties in front of Taksim during the cold-war era and even onwards. However, when it is left for u as the only option to choose; u can even struggle for the only option even if it is most difficult to be achieved.


Sorry, but I'm not reading you here. In 1957 we were not equal partners in Cyprus and the Cyprus constitution does not state we are equal partners either. If we were equal then why is there a 70-30 split in all the govts institutions?


In 1957, under British rule and according to colonial laws we were considered as equals in legislative assembly based on proportional representation but with balancing power of the British representatives of legislative assembly. During British rule, Brits did their best to keep the 2 main communities of Cyprus equally happy.

In the begining of British rule, TCs were constituting 1/3 of Cyprus population until early 1900s. The RoC was a kind of follow-up of legislative assembly which was established in late 1800s when TC population of Cyprus was 1/3 of total population. It strongly seems like it was related with this fact.

As for the equality between 2 communities; the veto right of president and vice-president was providing the equality between 2 communities.
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Postby Bananiot » Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:19 pm

DT, response like this

As I said...o pappous mou o Toullis tjai h yiayia mou h Kshakshou.


make me wonder whether it is worthwhile spending time on any one that makes them. I am sorry but you have lowered the bar to a level beyond belief and now I truly worry about your intellectual capabilities.
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Postby DT. » Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:30 pm

Bananiot wrote:DT, response like this

As I said...o pappous mou o Toullis tjai h yiayia mou h Kshakshou.


make me wonder whether it is worthwhile spending time on any one that makes them. I am sorry but you have lowered the bar to a level beyond belief and now I truly worry about your intellectual capabilities.


I'll survive Bananiot.
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Postby Bananiot » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:30 pm

Of course you will, the question is, will we survive?
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Postby YFred » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:49 pm

Bananiot wrote:Of course you will, the question is, will we survive?

Bananiat, we are made of stronger stuff than that. We will survive despite them.
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Postby Bananiot » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:52 pm

Actually DT has more sense than that. I do not know what got over him. Just when we started making some headway in a meaningful discussion too!
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Postby YFred » Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:01 am

Bananiot wrote:Actually DT has more sense than that. I do not know what got over him. Just when we started making some headway in a meaningful discussion too!

I've seen his posts. He has a Jackal and Hide mentality, and I also suspect especially when he had a few and his mates are around, but I am only guessing.
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