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[Piratis]

Piratis please stop talking rubbish. Loucas Charalambous is a member of DISI and his party is probably the biggest at the moment.

What he is saying is not what DISY is saying. DISY said many times that although they supported the Annan plan, they fully respect the democratically expressed will of the Cypriot and that nothing similar to the Annan plan can be brought back since it has already been rejected.

You talk about Christofias and the promises he gave to DIKO, EDEK and the Greens

Christofias gave promises not only to the parties but to the Cypriot people as well, from the first round. Christofias at no point (publicly at least) supported the Annan plan, even more so after this plan was rejected in the referendum.

but you conveniently forget that Papadopoulos was voted President starting from 15% or less because that was the percentage base of DIKO in 2003. Do you not remember the pre election posters all over Cyprus with an almost smiling Papadopoulos reassuring the people that he will solve the Cyprus issue on the basis of the Annan Plan?

There was no such promise or such posters, so don't lie. The one who said that he would "solve" the Cyprus issue on the basis of the Annan Plan was Cleredes. Papadopoulos had clearly said that Annan plan was only a basis for negotiations, and not a basis for a solution. And that is what Papadopoulos did, he negotiated the Annan plan.

And after it was rejected by the Cypriot people, Annan plan stopped being a basis for negotiations.

[Piratis]

Also, it is worth noting that the three losing candidates and the party leader Karoyian, stayed away from the declaration ceremony which is very odd and of course gives food for thought on what is going on behind the scenes in DIKO.

Karoyian said that he did what Papadopoulos and Kyprianou had done in similar situations and that neither of them went to such ceremonies.

Also I don't see any difference between those who were elected and those who didn't when in comes to their position on the Cyprus problem. All of them support the well known DIKO position.

[Bananiot]

You have a short memory Piratis if you do not remember the poster. Perhaps some decent members of the forum can come to my rescue on this one. DT, did you see the posters?

You said Piratis, that Loucas (the traitor) belongs to a very small party. Let me spell it out for you. You meant EDI but you could not get around to saying it. He does not, of course. Simply, you have forgotten that 100 000 Greek Cypriot traitors voted for the dreaded plan a huge number considering the fear campaign that was cultivated by the bash patriots when a small "yes" poster placed on the windscreen of your car meant vandalisation of the car. When all the kiosks for the "yes" vote were vandalised throughout Cyprus.

[Piratis]

You have a short memory Piratis if you do not remember the poster. Perhaps some decent members of the forum can come to my rescue on this one. DT, did you see the posters?

What I remember very well is the main difference on that election between Papadopoulos and Cliredes. Cliredes said the Annan plan was basis for a solution and he wanted to be re-elected for a few more months to finish what he started, while Papadopoulous said that the Annan plan as it stands is unacceptable, and that it can only be used as a basis for negotiations, but not a basis for a solution.

You said Piratis, that Loucas (the traitor) belongs to a very small party. Let me spell it out for you. You meant EDI but you could not get around to saying it. He does not, of course. Simply, you have forgotten that 100 000 Greek Cypriot traitors voted for the dreaded plan a huge number considering the fear campaign that was cultivated by the bash patriots when a small "yes" poster placed on the windscreen of your car meant vandalisation of the car. When all the kiosks for the "yes" vote were vandalised throughout Cyprus.

Nobody is a traitor for choosing one of the two options in a referendum. Who is a traitor is the one, who after the referendum clearly shows the will of the Cypriot people, he calls the president to ignore the people and the promises he gave to the people, and do the exact opposite of that the people democratically choose.

The fear campaign was made by the "yes" campaign, who were threatening the Cypriot people and were trying to force them to vote for a bad plan. Ask that 24% of people that voted "yes" if they found the Annan plan to be a good plan, and the vast majority of them will say that they didn't think that the Annan plan was a good one, and they voted for it only because of the threats that if we dared not to accept it the "trnc" would be recognized and a ton of other lies and threats produced by the "yes" campaign.

The above kind of fear campaign was what actually affected the way some people voted. If some teenagers scratched your car because you had some "yes" sticker on it, this will not make you change the way you will vote, would it?

Also note that although the "yes" campaign was supported only by one party (actually half) and less than a quarter of the people, the "yes" campaign was about as big as the "no" campaign. Where did they find the money to do this? I still have pro-Annan leaflets produced by foreigners, such as PRIO and similar.

[DT.]

You have a short memory Piratis if you do not remember the poster. Perhaps some decent members of the forum can come to my rescue on this one. DT, did you see the posters?

You said Piratis, that Loucas (the traitor) belongs to a very small party. Let me spell it out for you. You meant EDI but you could not get around to saying it. He does not, of course. Simply, you have forgotten that 100 000 Greek Cypriot traitors voted for the dreaded plan a huge number considering the fear campaign that was cultivated by the bash patriots when a small "yes" poster placed on the windscreen of your car meant vandalisation of the car. When all the kiosks for the "yes" vote were vandalised throughout Cyprus.

Sorry bananiot I'd tell you if I remembered but I had spent most of the election time in the UK back then. I do remember that there was a firm commitment from both candidates to work on the Annan Plan although knowing little about this plan then we had voted for Clerides because we wanted to help him finish what he started.

Was it not for Alecos Markides getting bitter about Clerides not letting him run STRAIGHT AWA,Y then the Cyprus Problem might have been solved now under a much better plan than the one that was proposed to us.

There, I've narrowed it down. If you want to blame someone for the Cyprus Problem today then apart from 40000 troops stationed here, Turkeys intransigence and talat's ventriloquist capabilities...you may now also add Alecos Markides to the list.

[Bananiot]

I cannot disagree with what you have written DT. Especially the part about Markides and Klerides`s ability to negotiate a better plan that included Karpasia as well.

I do not like to blame sides in the way you have indicated though. It is very unproductive. We all have a share of the blame and when the time comes when we can all accept our part of the blame, we would be nearer to solution, perhaps. This has been the main point I always wanted to make in the forum but when you get people arguing that the problem started in 1571 then you are up against a wall.

P.S. I wonder whether I can get hold of a poster with Papadopoulos shouting "δεσμεύομαι να λύσω το κυπριακό στη βάση του Σχεδίου Ανάν". You see, his candidacy did not go down very well with the majority of AKEL members and he needed to convince them in order to "steal" their votes.

[DT.]

I cannot disagree with what you have written DT. Especially the part about Markides and Klerides`s ability to negotiate a better plan that included Karpasia as well.

I do not like to blame sides in the way you have indicated though. It is very unproductive. We all have a share of the blame and when the time comes when we can all accept our part of the blame, we would be nearer to solution, perhaps. This has been the main point I always wanted to make in the forum but when you get people arguing that the problem started in 1571 then you are up against a wall.

P.S. I wonder whether I can get hold of a poster with Papadopoulos shouting "δεσμεύομαι να λύσω το κυπριακό στη βάση του Σχεδίου Ανάν". You see, his candidacy did not go down very well with the majority of AKEL members and he needed to convince them in order to "steal" their votes.

A little like Clerides when he promised DEKO the world and then frustrated them so much that he had a clear reign on his second term to get himself written down in history.

[Paphitis]

P.S. I wonder whether I can get hold of a poster with Papadopoulos shouting "δεσμεύομαι να λύσω το κυπριακό στη βάση του Σχεδίου Ανάν". You see, his candidacy did not go down very well with the majority of AKEL members and he needed to convince them in order to "steal" their votes.

Greek is my second language, but I know enough to interpret the above quote from Tassos Papadopoulos as a promise to solve the Cyprus Issue with the Annan Plan as a basis for negotiation.

Tassos Papadopoulos did try to push through some amendments to the Annan Plan, and every single one was rejected by the UN. On the other hand, most of Turkey's amendments were included in the final draft, which further enforces the notion that the UN wanted to appease Turkey with a favourable solution.

Piratis is absolutely correct in saying that Tassos Papadopoulos only considered the Annan Plan as a basis of negotiations and that he did not promise to solve the Cyprus Issue based on the UN imposed Annan Plan.