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[Oracle]

The extract in blue has nothing to do with showing Oppenheimer's work as outdated either. I think we can safely say you cocked up there.

I'm glad you now regard it as an emerging theory. And not just thought by me, but by the vast majority of historians.

I didn't say the extract in blue was about Oppenheimer, but the genetics.

But geneticists who have tested DNA throughout the British Isles are edging toward a different conclusion. Many are struck by the overall genetic similarities, leading some to claim that both Britain and Ireland have been inhabited for thousands of years by a single people that have remained in the majority....

I think you are getting mixed up with the wider discussion in the article about the origins of the Celts and the dates, and what I am telling you about the present day inhabitants being similar, according to the emerging new DNA studies!

This bit from the article had you in mind!

The implication that the Irish, English, Scottish and Welsh have a great deal in common with each other, at least from the geneticist's point of view, seems likely to please no one.

... I think you have to change your unsubstantiated "vast majority of historians" to blood-minded hypocrites ... that's you that is!

[Simon]

Well it was part of the same sentence, when you said

[quote]No it didn't .. go back and see the extract I re-posted in blue ... [/quote]

So you need to be a bit clearer.

I'm not getting anything mixed up, I was just commenting on your own contradiction, which you have now accepted. I have already commented on that paragraph highlighted in blue when you originally posted it, so I'm not sure why you keep re-posting it. You're going around in circles now.

I haven't seen a history book yet that claims what you do. Yet I have seen plenty that claim what I do, even though some in the 1970s were claiming what you are now. Anyway, I'm bored with this now. I think this debate has ran its course. Goodnight

[Oracle]

Well it was part of the same sentence, when you said

No it didn't .. go back and see the extract I re-posted in blue ...

So you need to be a bit clearer.

I'm not getting anything mixed up, I was just commenting on your own contradiction, which you have now accepted. I have already commented on that paragraph highlighted in blue when you originally posted it, so I'm not sure why you keep re-posting it. You're going around in circles now.

I haven't seen a history book yet that claims what you do. Yet I have seen plenty that claim what I do, even though some in the 1970s were claiming what you are now. Anyway, I'm bored with this now. I think this debate has ran its course. Goodnight

You keep repeating the mantra that I contradict myself, because you are confoundedly confused!

And you won't see a history book with these views for many a year. They are bang up to date ...

Retiring to bed is best when your argument has run dry.

Goodnight from me too, otherwise I may be tempted to hit the biscuit barrel .....

[denizaksulu]

Round one goes to Oracle.

[Simon]

den,

When someone keeps repeating themselves, re-posting things already answered, it's time to leave the debate. Oracle can't even see how she contradicted herself with this article and wasn't even aware of what the article she posted said. I have better things to do than to go around in circles just to have the last word.

I made various points, originally about the difference between Northern Ireland and Cyprus, and Oracle failed to rebut any of them. One article about Oppenheimer (which doubts its own accuracy and is based on the Y-chromosome which Oracle herself wasn't convinced about) has not been enough to convince the majority of historians yet. I haven't heard many come out and say that it is clear the English are not anglo-saxons or the Irish are not Celts, have you? And this idea that the English and Irish are very similar has been around since at least the 1970s, so the idea is not all that new. Indeed, the word 'England' is thought to have derived from 'Angles' (a Germanic tribe). Maybe people will in the future, but more research is needed, as the article itself explains. In any event, all this bears no relevance to my original point about Northern Ireland. Whether the Irish are ethnically similar or not is unlikely to change perception, as the Irish are fiercely independent, and that is the crucial point regarding Northern Ireland. What I stated about the English and Irish being ethnically different is commonly accepted. The new research does challenge this, I accept that, but I think more details are required, as this article admits, before this commonly accepted historical fact is dispelled.

[denizaksulu]

Thank you for that Simon. It was a debate I was enjoying as I have discussed this topic with a Celt colleague of mine (Scottish variety nontheless.) Havent gone into it to much depth, but you turning away ......

I expect more on the subject. Migrations of peoples is always interesting.

Anyway I fail to see the similarity between Cyprus and Eire (or are we talking of a United Ireland?).

Have a good day.

[Oracle]

Thank you for that Simon. It was a debate I was enjoying as I have discussed this topic with a Celt colleague of mine (Scottish variety nontheless.) Havent gone into it to much depth, but you turning away ......

I expect more on the subject. Migrations of peoples is always interesting.

Anyway I fail to see the similarity between Cyprus and Eire (or are we talking of a United Ireland?).

Have a good day.

Deniz ... don't listen to Simon (after his long sleep ).

He is confused and no amount of clarification will teach that old dog new tricks. I spoon fed him contemporary genetics, but all he did was regurgitate Y-chromosomes!

He is hell bent on dividing everyone

[Simon]

I wasn't referring to EIRE but Northern Ireland. You are right, there is very little similarity between Northern Ireland and the Cyprus problem, which is what I was saying to Oracle.

[Simon]

I don't want to divide anyone. I would be happy and actually support a union between the United Kingdom and Ireland. But I think that the Irish would hate the idea.

In fact the British could use Oppenheimer to begin a new empire.

[Oracle]

I wasn't referring to EIRE but Northern Ireland. You are right, there is very little similarity between Northern Ireland and the Cyprus problem, which is what I was saying to Oracle.

There is very little similarity with the causes of the CyProb, because as I said, the English and Irish are both derived from Celts and should quite happily live together (barring Papal interference).

But what you keep maintaining is that they are different people ... to substantiate a division!