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[growuptcs]

You mean as soon as we agree to follow rules that doesn't violate others. It might violate you having to give back more than you gave up. But as soon as we agree what violates, and what doesn't violate basic rights, we'll have an agreement in minutes.

[Viewpoint]

You mean as soon as we agree to follow rules that doesn't violate others. It might violate you having to give back more than you gave up. But as soon as we agree what violates, and what doesn't violate basic rights, we'll have an agreement in minutes.

Tcs accept the North state will be reduced and that GCs will have the right to reside in the North state no problem there, the problem is the GCs do not want to live in a state run by TCs and allow us an effective and guaranteed say in our own future.

[growuptcs]

You mean as soon as we agree to follow rules that doesn't violate others. It might violate you having to give back more than you gave up. But as soon as we agree what violates, and what doesn't violate basic rights, we'll have an agreement in minutes.

Tcs accept the North state will be reduced and that GCs will have the right to reside in the North state no problem there, the problem is the GCs do not want to live in a state run by TCs and allow us an effective and guaranteed say in our own future.

TC's don't have that option VP. Who are you to promise the unacceptable from London, living a double life with benefits, while others are suffering that live all year in n.Cyprus?

[insan]

I dont think I am racist. Show me where?
You want to silence me when I countered Oracles statement. Whats your problem? Others go far back with dates to 1571, and before. I expect you to shut them up too.

Have a good day.......While you are at it, show me anywhere if I show any hate towards my fellow GC countrymen. Anger, maybe, hatred NEVER.

I can't stop anybody from reacting to their own agenda deniz. GC's way of responding to what Turkey did to the north of Cyprus is racist in every TC's eyes. But not to the rest of civil societies eyes, because its they that allow this to go this way, not just the Cyprus government. If the Turks are sincere and want peace, they would found civil ways to do it by now. The ones still pointing fingers at GC's are the ones who are truly racist. So anyone still trying to get out of this mess the Ottoman way, are the guilty ones.

If you feel you are right then why hasnt the rest of the world helped you resolve your problems, time ou got off your high horse and saw the realities on the ground, the division was also cause by your own acitons and will remain in place until a solution is found...for 46 years it has eluded us and you can never place on the blame on one side..time you realized this fact and taught your youth the truth.

You know the reason VP. It's because no-one wants a world war to break out just for the sake of Cyprus. It's not worth it for any country(except Greece) to get their hands dirty for nothing. Your distortion and lies that you spew today is nothing but racist propaganda. I'm not denying the GC's hands are totally clean. They're not because they fell into the British-Turkish trap of keeping Cyprus split for the sake of bases.
Roswell files became public, mafias in all countries that have democracy went down, JFK files are available on the net, but the Turks are still playing the same bullshit games looking to join in the name of democracy.
Your own people are almost ready to revolt in Turkey, and your still telling lies with dog-breath.

British-Turkish trap? Could u elaborate plz?People ready to revolt in Turkey? Which people?

So according ur "sources" had there been no "Turkish-British trap"; TCs would have never got aware of their ethnic origins thus never asked political equality or a seperate self-determination right?

[growuptcs]

If it wasn't for the Brits looking for bases, Turkey would've found another way to press for partition anyway. I'll tell you if they were thinking of revolting by March 29th, but my crystal ball tells me they awoken from being held down.

[insan]

Had Greeks and Turks managed to reconcile and build a sub-alliance in our region; the original RoC which was based on a consociational democracy would have survived now with 2 happy communities been living in it.

[denizaksulu]

I dont think I am racist. Show me where?
You want to silence me when I countered Oracles statement. Whats your problem? Others go far back with dates to 1571, and before. I expect you to shut them up too.

Have a good day.......While you are at it, show me anywhere if I show any hate towards my fellow GC countrymen. Anger, maybe, hatred NEVER.

I can't stop anybody from reacting to their own agenda deniz. GC's way of responding to what Turkey did to the north of Cyprus is racist in every TC's eyes. But not to the rest of civil societies eyes, because its they that allow this to go this way, not just the Cyprus government. If the Turks are sincere and want peace, they would found civil ways to do it by now. The ones still pointing fingers at GC's are the ones who are truly racist. So anyone still trying to get out of this mess the Ottoman way, are the guilty ones.

For a o I thought you were accusing me personally. So you are just making a sweeping statement.

I will tell you something. I believe that GCs have every right to endeavour to get their lost homes and lands back. My hope is that is done at the table, as I believe that enough blood has been shed. Needless to say the same applies to us as well.

I apoligize if you did think that I went after you personally deniz. It's was never meant to be personal. It's all a group effort to hijack a part of a country that was taken by force. If I can describe it in one word that doesn't exist that you would probably understand, that word would be groupanal, not personal, because its a group effort to what your all doing in n.Cyprus.

Inda(n) bou lali?

I'll repeat it again if you didn't understand. ITS A GROUP EFFORT HOLDING n.CYPRUS HOSTAGE, AND NOT ALLOWING GC"S TO GO HOME BECAUSE OF THE TURKISH ARMY. COPRENDE?

That is not something that I agree with. They say the mechanism is therebut I dont believe that it is fast enough. Then would the GCs like to be adminstered by the northern administration?

[growuptcs]

Had Greeks and Turks managed to reconcile and build a sub-alliance in our region; the original RoC which was based on a consociational democracy would have survived now with 2 happy communities been living in it.

Past is the past insan, which Cyprus was only defending democracy. Democracy to you meant cannibalism back then. The only way to reconcile in Cyprus today is not to violate anyones right in any way. I know your not down with that because you don't believe in karma. If you did believe in karma you would see your way is still inviting hatred and racism.

[insan]

Had Greeks and Turks managed to reconcile and build a sub-alliance in our region; the original RoC which was based on a consociational democracy would have survived now with 2 happy communities been living in it.

Past is the past insan, which Cyprus was only defending democracy. Democracy to you meant cannibalism back then. The only way to reconcile in Cyprus today is not to violate anyones right in any way. I know your not down with that because you don't believe in karma. If you did believe in karma you would see your way is still inviting hatred and racism.

I've never considered consociational democracy as a tool causes racism and hatred. On the contrary, I believe it was the only feasible governance model for 2 rival communities of Cyprus and it is still the only feasible governance model. It is crystal clear to me that TCs will never accept minority status in Cyprus. For more than 100 years TCs struggled to either be a politically equal community, if not accepted a completely seperate community with a seperate state. This is a crystal clear fact. All intelligentsia of TCs r also well aware of how economic difficulties cause problems on our political and social life and damage our democracy but we also struggle to develop our economy, social life, political order and democracy. I am well aware of u r in a bloomer that one day vast majority of TCs would revolt against Turkey and flee South but it's a bloomer nothing else.

[Viewpoint]

You mean as soon as we agree to follow rules that doesn't violate others. It might violate you having to give back more than you gave up. But as soon as we agree what violates, and what doesn't violate basic rights, we'll have an agreement in minutes.

Tcs accept the North state will be reduced and that GCs will have the right to reside in the North state no problem there, the problem is the GCs do not want to live in a state run by TCs and allow us an effective and guaranteed say in our own future.

TC's don't have that option VP. Who are you to promise the unacceptable from London, living a double life with benefits, while others are suffering that live all year in n.Cyprus?

What option, what double life what are you going on about?