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Northern Ireland as a Role Model

Postby MrH » Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:54 pm

Northern Ireland is a Constituent Country within the United Kingdom. In the UK, it is known as one of the FOUR Nations that form the Kingdom. Judging by the current “sitting on the fence” attitude in the resumption of the Cyprus question as a Federal Union of two Bi-Zonal areas, partnership Governments and Equal Rights to both communities regardless of the size of their population, could the “Practical” working of “Northern Ireland” be a model for “Northern Cyprus” (Turkish Cypriot) and the “Republic of Ireland” be for the “Republic of Cyprus” (Greek Cypriot)?

Regardless of how Northern Ireland became a part of the United Kingdom, could Northern Cyprus become a Constituent Country of the Island of Cyprus, or a Constituent Country of the Republic of Turkey if all fails in the current Cyprus Unification Process.

For those that dismiss the above, please consider Talat’s most recent remarks of standing down as the “President” of the “TRNC”, the rise of the UBP-Nationalist Party and the hard-to-believe drop in support for unification of the former Annan Plan, let alone a new plan that would obviously envisage more “Turkish Cypriot” concessions!

Is Turkey prepared to rename itself as the “Republic of Turkey and Northern Cyprus” or will the Greek Cypriots finally succumb to the reality of “The United Republic of Southern and Northern Cyprus”?
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Re: Northern Ireland as a Role Model

Postby DT. » Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:09 pm

MrH wrote:Northern Ireland is a Constituent Country within the United Kingdom. In the UK, it is known as one of the FOUR Nations that form the Kingdom. Judging by the current “sitting on the fence” attitude in the resumption of the Cyprus question as a Federal Union of two Bi-Zonal areas, partnership Governments and Equal Rights to both communities regardless of the size of their population, could the “Practical” working of “Northern Ireland” be a model for “Northern Cyprus” (Turkish Cypriot) and the “Republic of Ireland” be for the “Republic of Cyprus” (Greek Cypriot)?

Regardless of how Northern Ireland became a part of the United Kingdom, could Northern Cyprus become a Constituent Country of the Island of Cyprus, or a Constituent Country of the Republic of Turkey if all fails in the current Cyprus Unification Process.

For those that dismiss the above, please consider Talat’s most recent remarks of standing down as the “President” of the “TRNC”, the rise of the UBP-Nationalist Party and the hard-to-believe drop in support for unification of the former Annan Plan, let alone a new plan that would obviously envisage more “Turkish Cypriot” concessions!

Is Turkey prepared to rename itself as the “Republic of Turkey and Northern Cyprus” or will the Greek Cypriots finally succumb to the reality of “The United Republic of Southern and Northern Cyprus”?


Had there been a historical geographical segregation of TC's and GC's on this island you may not have so many people laughing at this post. The fact is that the land you wish to partition belongs to Cypriots of which the vast majority of its inhabitants were and still are as legal owners, Greek Cypriots.

This has nothing to do with Ireland or Czechoslovakia.
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:19 pm

What a topic when 21 year old Cengiz Azimkar, Turkish Cypriot descent was killed whilst on guard duty in Northern Ireland.

This will happen in Cyprus if no mutually agreed settlement is agreed.

May he rest in Peace and Sympathies for his family.


Kıbrıslı Türk terör kurbanı

Kuzey İrlanda’daki saldırıda, İngiliz ordusu mensubu Cengiz Azimkar da hayatını kaybetti


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21 YAŞINDAYDI… İngiliz Savunma Bakanlığı sözcüsü, ölen askerlerin 38. istihkam alayından olduklarını belirtirken, Cengiz Azimkar'ın 21 yaşında olduğunu kaydetti. Massareene askeri birliğinin nizamiyesinde nöbet tuttuğu sırada öldürülen Azimkar'ın Londralı olduğu ve İstihkam Alayı’na 2005 yılında katıldığı belirtildi. Açıklamada Azimkar'dan “son derece neşeli, şakacı bir askerdi ve son derece yetenekli bir futbolcuydu” diye söz edildi

OPERASYON BAŞLATILDI… Merkezi Dublin'de bulunan bir gazeteyi arayan kişilerin, saldırıyı, İrlanda Cumhuriyetçi Ordusu’nun (IRA) şiddetin sürdürülmesinden yana olan “Gerçek IRA” adlı fraksiyonu adına üstlendikleri açıklandı. Örgütün mensubu olduğu düşünülen teröristlerin yakalanması için son yılların en büyük operasyonu başlatıldı.

Eylem ERAYDIN / LONDRA

Geçtiğimiz gün Kuzey İrlanda’nın County Antrim Bölgesi’nde ki İngiliz askeri güçlerine ait üsse ‘ Gerçek IRA’ adlı örgütün düzenlediği silahlı saldırıda ölen iki askerden biri olan Cengiz Azimkar’ın Kıbrıslı Türk olduğu öğrenildi. Babası Limasol’un Evdim Köyü’nden Mehmet Azimkar ve annesi İrlandalı olan Cengiz Azimkar, 21 yaşındaydı.
İngiltere Savunma Bakanlığı tarafından yapılan açıklamada, Azimkar'ın Türk asıllı bir İngiltere vatandaşı olduğu belirtildi. Bakanlık açıklamasında diğer askerin ise, Mark Quinsey olduğu bildirildi. Saldırıda ayrıca 4 askerinde ağır yaralandığı kaydedildi. Ölen iki askerin de 38. istihkâm alayından oldukları belirtilirken, Azimkar'ın 21, Quinsey'in ise 23 yaşında oldukları öğrenildi. Massareene askeri birliğinin nizamiyesinde nöbet tuttukları sırada öldürülen Cengiz Azimkar'ın Londralı olduğu ve İstihkâm Alayı’na 2005 yılında katıldığı belirtildi. Açıklamada Azimkar'dan "Son derece neşeli, şakacı bir askerdi ve son derece yetenekli bir futbolcuydu" diye söz edildi.
25. Bölük Komutanı Binbaşı Darren Woods da bölük olarak Azimkar'ın ölümünden duydukları büyük üzüntüyü dile getirirken, "O gerçek bir profesyonel asker, iyi bir silah arkadaşı ve herkesin dostuydu. Onun öldüğü günü her zaman büyük bir acıyla hatırlayacağız. Onun gibi bir askere komutanlık yapmak gerçek bir ayrıcalıktı, bunu her zaman gururla anımsayacağım" dedi. Ölen diğer asker Birminghamlı Mark Quinsey'in de orduya 19 yaşındayken katıldığı ve çok iyi bir asker olarak bilindiği açıklandı. Örgütün mensubu olduğu düşünülen teröristlerin yakalanması için son yılların en büyük operasyonunun başlatıldığı bildirildi.

KKTC Temsilcisi aileyi ziyaret etti

Cengiz Azimkar’ın ailesinin oturduğu Kuzey Londra’nın Turn Park Lane bölgesindeki evine baş sağlığına giden KKTC Londra Temsilcisi Kemal Köprülü, olaydan büyük bir üzüntü duyduklarını belirterek, Azimkar ailesi ile görüştü. Köprülü, ziyaret sonrası gazetemize yaptığı açıklamada, Cengiz Azimkar’ın anne ve babasının olayın şokunu yaşadıklarını belirterek, “Anne ve babası ile görüşemedik konuşacak durumda değiller, olayın şokunu yaşıyorlar. Bizde Cengiz Azimkar’ın teyzesi ile görüşerek üzüntü ve taziyelerimizi kendilerine ilettik” dedi. Üzüntülü aile, uzun süre evin önünde bekleyen Türk gazetecilerle görüşmek istemedi.
Dört kişinin de yaralandığı saldırının ardından, İngiliz hükümetinden bazı kaynaklar, basın kuruluşlarına yaptıkları açıklamada, Gerçek IRA'nın sayısal olarak küçük bir güç olmakla birlikte, ciddi tehdit yaratabileceğine dikkati çekti. Son saldırının, 1997 yılında Kuzey İrlanda'da bir İngiliz askerinin bir IRA keskin nişancısı tarafından öldürülmesinden bu yana işlenen ilk cinayet olduğu, ölen iki askerin, önümüzdeki günlerde Afganistan'a gönderilecek güç içinde yer almaya hazırlandıkları bildirildi.

İngiliz basını: Üslerde güvenlik zaafı var

Yaralıların durumlarının ise ağır olduğu, üçünün ölüm tehlikesinin hala sürdüğü, dördüncü yaralının durumunun daha iyi olduğu kaydedildi. Saldırı İngiliz basınında haber sayfaları ve köşe yazılarında ağırlıkla işlenen konuların başında geldi.
İngiliz basını, saldırının Kuzey İrlanda'daki polis güçleri ve askeri üslerin güvenliğinin gözden geçirilmesi gereğini bir kez daha ortaya koyduğunu yazdı. Kuzey İrlanda'da IRA'nın barış sürecine dahil olması noktasında örgütten ayrılan ve şiddet yanlısı tutumunu sürdürme kararı alan Gerçek IRA adlı fraksiyonun militan sayısının 100 civarında olduğu tahmin ediliyor.
Ancak terörizm uzmanları, sayıları az olmasına rağmen grubun 1990'lı yıllardan kalan tecrübeyi bir avantaj olarak kullandığına ve örgüte yeni eleman bulmakta güçlük çekmediğine işaret ediyor.

Brown bölgede

Kendisi de eski bir IRA mensubu olan Kuzey İrlanda Başbakan Yardımcısı Martin McGuinness, herkesin Kuzey İrlanda'yı eski sorunlu günlerine döndürecek davranış ve sözlerden kaçınması gerektiğini belirtti. McGuinness, “Çatışma sürecinde ben de IRA'yı destekledim. Ben de IRA'nın bir üyesiydim. Ama artık bunlar geride kaldı” dedi.
Kuzey İrlanda Başbakanı Demokratik Birlik Partisi lideri Peter Robinson da cumartesi gün düzenlenen saldırının geçmişi anımsattığını belirtti ve teröristlerin, askerleri öldürdükten sonra silahlarını sivillere de yöneltmesinin bu kişilerin ne derece "çıldırdıklarını" ortaya koymaya yettiğini kaydetti. Kuzey İrlanda polisi adına yapılan açıklamada da bölge politikacılarına terörizme karşı birleşik bir cephe oluşturmaları çağrısı yapıldı.
İngiltere Başbakanı Gordon Brown da dün Kuzey İrlanda'yı ziyaret etti. Brown, 12 yıl aradan sonra ilk kez bir terör saldırısının düzenlendiği Kuzey İrlanda'da Başbakan Peter Robinson ile bir araya geldi. Brown saldırının düzenlendiği Massereene kışlasını da ziyaret edecek.
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Postby Oracle » Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:21 pm

The Scots, Irish, Welsh and English are originally all one people, the Celts, with the most recently assimilated foragers going back some thousand years (the Normans).

They share the same language, culture etc

How they divide their territories after several thousand years post migration to the British Isles, is up to them, and bares no resemblance to what is happening in Cyprus with the recent Otto-Turk-Hun invasion a few centuries ago, and the most recent Turkish invasion, just a few decades ago. These invaders have no such claims to the territorial integrity of Cyprus, which is the one and only native homeland of the Greek Cypriots.
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Postby YFred » Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:24 pm

Oracle wrote:The Scots, Irish, Welsh and English are originally all one people, the Celts, with the most recently assimilated foragers going back some thousand years (the Normans).

They share the same language, culture etc

How they divide their territories after several thousand years post migration to the British Isles, is up to them, and bares no resemblance to what is happening in Cyprus with the recent Otto-Turk-Hun invasion a few centuries ago, and the most recent Turkish invasion, just a few decades ago. These invaders have no such claims to the territorial integrity of Cyprus, which is the one and only native homeland of the Greek Cypriots.

There are some people on these islands that will be offended by that remark. In fact they will be as offended as if you called them french.
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Re: Northern Ireland as a Role Model

Postby Get Real! » Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:52 pm

MrH wrote:Is Turkey prepared to rename itself as the “Republic of Turkey and Northern Cyprus” or will the Greek Cypriots finally succumb to the reality of “The United Republic of Southern and Northern Cyprus”?

Sure, but we're waiting for Turkey to first show us the way by renaming herself to...

"The United Republic of southern, northern, eastern, and western Turkey"

:lol:
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Re: Northern Ireland as a Role Model

Postby YFred » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:02 pm

Get Real! wrote:
MrH wrote:Is Turkey prepared to rename itself as the “Republic of Turkey and Northern Cyprus” or will the Greek Cypriots finally succumb to the reality of “The United Republic of Southern and Northern Cyprus”?

Sure, but we're waiting for Turkey to first show us the way by renaming herself to...

"The United Republic of southern, northern, eastern, and western Turkey"

:lol:

Please bear in mind all the Turkic nations from Bosnia to China where the Ugurs reside all in all about 500 million of them approximately, don't quoate me on it.
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Re: Northern Ireland as a Role Model

Postby wallace » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:09 pm

MrH wrote:Northern Ireland is a Constituent Country within the United Kingdom. In the UK, it is known as one of the FOUR Nations that form the Kingdom. Judging by the current “sitting on the fence” attitude in the resumption of the Cyprus question as a Federal Union of two Bi-Zonal areas, partnership Governments and Equal Rights to both communities regardless of the size of their population, could the “Practical” working of “Northern Ireland” be a model for “Northern Cyprus” (Turkish Cypriot) and the “Republic of Ireland” be for the “Republic of Cyprus” (Greek Cypriot)?

Regardless of how Northern Ireland became a part of the United Kingdom, could Northern Cyprus become a Constituent Country of the Island of Cyprus, or a Constituent Country of the Republic of Turkey if all fails in the current Cyprus Unification Process.

For those that dismiss the above, please consider Talat’s most recent remarks of standing down as the “President” of the “TRNC”, the rise of the UBP-Nationalist Party and the hard-to-believe drop in support for unification of the former Annan Plan, let alone a new plan that would obviously envisage more “Turkish Cypriot” concessions!

Is Turkey prepared to rename itself as the “Republic of Turkey and Northern Cyprus” or will the Greek Cypriots finally succumb to the reality of “The United Republic of Southern and Northern Cyprus”?


The question should be if Turkey is prepared to accept THE UNITED REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS
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Postby MrH » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:12 pm

The Scots, Irish, Welsh and English are originally all one people, the Celts, with the most recently assimilated foragers going back some thousand years (the Normans).



A bit BOLD, don't you think Oracle? I mean, TCs and GCs Do Not speak the same language, have almost Nothing in common in terms of Culture, Religious beliefs and we are not controlled by the Greek Orthodox Church. In fact, there is no, and never has been a "Homogeneous Cypriot Population". We have always lived separately, attended separate Greek and Turkish schools and only a select few, out of necessity, learnt how to speak the other language.

If Wales, Scotland, England and Northern Ireland live under one Kingdom (let's say republic), but as separate Constituent Countries, then why can't we?

Clearly the unification of Cyprus is Not going to happen the way the Greek Cypriots want, but perhaps we can Co-exist as the peoples of Cyprus in peace alternatively.

The Greek Cypriots just need to let their guard down, trust the rule of democracy, self determination and freedom - where clearly, by isolating the Turkish Cypriots and using the so-called "Turkish Invasion" as a pretext to control and minimise the Turkish Cypriots will only lead to complete Partition!

Think about what you are really trying to achieve.

See you later me-lady!
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Postby YFred » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:17 pm

MrH wrote:
The Scots, Irish, Welsh and English are originally all one people, the Celts, with the most recently assimilated foragers going back some thousand years (the Normans).



A bit BOLD, don't you think Oracle? I mean, TCs and GCs Do Not speak the same language, have almost Nothing in common in terms of Culture, Religious beliefs and we are not controlled by the Greek Orthodox Church. In fact, there is no, and never has been a "Homogeneous Cypriot Population". We have always lived separately, attended separate Greek and Turkish schools and only a select few, out of necessity, learnt how to speak the other language.

If Wales, Scotland, England and Northern Ireland live under one Kingdom (let's say republic), but as separate Constituent Countries, then why can't we?

Clearly the unification of Cyprus is Not going to happen the way the Greek Cypriots want, but perhaps we can Co-exist as the peoples of Cyprus in peace alternatively.

The Greek Cypriots just need to let their guard down, trust the rule of democracy, self determination and freedom - where clearly, by isolating the Turkish Cypriots and using the so-called "Turkish Invasion" as a pretext to control and minimise the Turkish Cypriots will only lead to complete Partition!

Think about what you are really trying to achieve.

See you later me-lady!

Mr H, I beg to differ. As a TC I understand what my GC friends talk about, so long as threy are talking Cypriot, when they break into the Kalamara language then I agree, we lose commonality.
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