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[YFred]

That was covered by your ignorance!

I am glad you are not my teacher. How is one supposed to learn?
My Teacher always said " Not to know is not a crime, but not to know and not to ask is".
Strange enough it was my Biology teacher in Lurucina seconadary school in 1971 that said it.

I can recall things very clearly, well the things that matter anyway.

[Oracle]

You owe somebody an apology, and until you do, you nasty little man, whatever you say is irrelevant ....

[insan]

Even the United Nations has called Turkey's invasion 'illegal'. The facts are there for all to see. The Treaty speaks for itself. So I really can't see any point in arguing about this, as Turkey does not respect international law anyway. Simple as that. Signing any agreement with Turkey is rather pointless, as they come up with ever more imaginative ways of interpreting it so as to suit its interests.

Yeah, just for the sake of keeping Greece in NATO...

And what do they offer to keep Turkey in NATO? ... or does Turkey beg and pay to be kept in?

They promised Turkey to fix Cyprus problem on the basis of Turkish thesis after finishing their job on Balkans. First attempt was Annan Plan but failed. We r impatiently waiting for the second attempt.

Keep waiting fantasy fairy. The balance of power is shifting and no one in the West is interested in Turkey and her Expansionist aspirations .....

Prof. Dr. Oracles Galiamatias says from her rears?

Insan on your knees when you address her ladyship, please.

I always have shown my respect to my queen by honouring her with carefully selected, befitting titles.

Thats good because I got accused of being ignorant, incensitive and cruel amongst other things so at least its some compenation.
I would like to thank you for your help in this matter.
Forgive my ignorance but what does galiamatias mean?

No problem gardash.

galimatias
confused or unintelligible speech; gibberish.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/galimatias

[YFred]

Even the United Nations has called Turkey's invasion 'illegal'. The facts are there for all to see. The Treaty speaks for itself. So I really can't see any point in arguing about this, as Turkey does not respect international law anyway. Simple as that. Signing any agreement with Turkey is rather pointless, as they come up with ever more imaginative ways of interpreting it so as to suit its interests.

Yeah, just for the sake of keeping Greece in NATO...

And what do they offer to keep Turkey in NATO? ... or does Turkey beg and pay to be kept in?

They promised Turkey to fix Cyprus problem on the basis of Turkish thesis after finishing their job on Balkans. First attempt was Annan Plan but failed. We r impatiently waiting for the second attempt.

Keep waiting fantasy fairy. The balance of power is shifting and no one in the West is interested in Turkey and her Expansionist aspirations .....

Prof. Dr. Oracles Galiamatias says from her rears?

Insan on your knees when you address her ladyship, please.

I always have shown my respect to my queen by honouring her with carefully selected, befitting titles.

Thats good because I got accused of being ignorant, incensitive and cruel amongst other things so at least its some compenation.
I would like to thank you for your help in this matter.
Forgive my ignorance but what does galiamatias mean?

No problem gardash.

galimatias
confused or unintelligible speech; gibberish.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/galimatias

Thank you Insan. Now it makes perfect sense.
It will make more sense if you used Prof. Dr. Oracles de Galiamatias
It than sounds french as opposed to greek, which may carry more weight. Not that I am saying our O is skinney and all that.

[insan]

Even the United Nations has called Turkey's invasion 'illegal'. The facts are there for all to see. The Treaty speaks for itself. So I really can't see any point in arguing about this, as Turkey does not respect international law anyway. Simple as that. Signing any agreement with Turkey is rather pointless, as they come up with ever more imaginative ways of interpreting it so as to suit its interests.

Yeah, just for the sake of keeping Greece in NATO...

And what do they offer to keep Turkey in NATO? ... or does Turkey beg and pay to be kept in?

They promised Turkey to fix Cyprus problem on the basis of Turkish thesis after finishing their job on Balkans. First attempt was Annan Plan but failed. We r impatiently waiting for the second attempt.

Keep waiting fantasy fairy. The balance of power is shifting and no one in the West is interested in Turkey and her Expansionist aspirations .....

Prof. Dr. Oracles Galiamatias says from her rears?

Insan on your knees when you address her ladyship, please.

I always have shown my respect to my queen by honouring her with carefully selected, befitting titles.

Thats good because I got accused of being ignorant, incensitive and cruel amongst other things so at least its some compenation.
I would like to thank you for your help in this matter.
Forgive my ignorance but what does galiamatias mean?

No problem gardash.

galimatias
confused or unintelligible speech; gibberish.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/galimatias

Thank you Insan. Now it makes perfect sense.
It will make more sense if you used Prof. Dr. Oracles de Galiamatias
It than sounds french as opposed to greek, which may carry more weight. Not that I am saying our O is skinney and all that.

It sounds like galimeras

[YFred]

We've gone through this millions of times and have proven time and time again that the Treaty of Gaurantee argument by the Turkish side is not valid.

Perhaps our TC friends may need a friendly refresher...

Mono Dahtilo.

The treaty is intact, till agreed to remove it by all parties.

Read the Law not you kafene law.

if it is intact would you kindly follow these instructions carefully so as not to be liable for breaching it?

with the sole aim of re-establishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty

You can interpret anything you want in any way you like. Ultimately, in a court of law, the signed treaty will hold. I was not aware that there were null and void items in the said treaty.
Its about time of all people you should wake up to realities.
If you don't face realities, it has a habit of kicking you up the backside.

Is turkey currently in breach of the treaty of gaurantee or not?

Which clause?

They used the clause about protecting TCs and did exactly that.

this one

ARTICLE 2
Greece the United Kingdom and Turkey, taking note of the undertakings by the Republic of Cyprus embodied in Article 1, recognize and guarantee the independence, territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus,

and this one

ARTICLE 3
In the event of any breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, the United Kingdom, and Turkey undertake to consult together, with a view to making representations, or taking the necessary steps to ensure observance of those provisions. In so far as common or concerted action may prove impossible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim Of re-establishing the state of affairs established by the present Treaty.

So where is the clause that says if it doesn't happen then the Guarantor is releaved of her duties.

[Get Real!]

with the sole aim Of re-establishing the state of affairs established by the present Treaty.

So where is the clause that says if it doesn't happen then the Guarantor is releaved of her duties.

Right here dufus...

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle17.htm

[YFred]

with the sole aim Of re-establishing the state of affairs established by the present Treaty.

So where is the clause that says if it doesn't happen then the Guarantor is releaved of her duties.

Right here dufus...

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle17.htm

If it was as easy as that, TRNC would have been an independant country by now.

I was under the impression that the main basis of the agreement was to protect the TCs. That just about covers it all

Notice how it was not mentioned in the agreement. I wander Why?

As I said in one of my other posts, why don't you test it. Attack the north with your band of 15 reprabtes and see if it is in operation.

Its very easy really.

[DT.]

:lol: ok, lets try again.

with the 2 articles of the treaty I gave you....is Turkey in breach of the treaty at this moment in time or not?

And by the way the ex-president has stated on numerous occassions that the treaty of gaurantee died when Turkey breached it.

DT,
The implication of the bit highlighted is that you think that once a part/article of an instrument of law has alleged to have been broken then the whole instrument is 'invalid', that is to say, no longer has force ? Is that what you mean ? Just wondering.

The breach itself did not render the treaty invalid, the rights given to the Republic because of the breach are what makes it invalid. The Republic was within its rights to declare all or part of the treaty invalid. Naturally the part that involved Turkey (who committed the breach) was declared no longer in force.

[YFred]

:lol: ok, lets try again.

with the 2 articles of the treaty I gave you....is Turkey in breach of the treaty at this moment in time or not?

And by the way the ex-president has stated on numerous occassions that the treaty of gaurantee died when Turkey breached it.

DT,
The implication of the bit highlighted is that you think that once a part/article of an instrument of law has alleged to have been broken then the whole instrument is 'invalid', that is to say, no longer has force ? Is that what you mean ? Just wondering.

The breach itself did not render the treaty invalid, the rights given to the Republic because of the breach are what makes it invalid. The Republic was within its rights to declare all or part of the treaty invalid. Naturally the part that involved Turkey (who committed the breach) was declared no longer in force.

How nice of the Republic to make such monumental decisions for us, without consultation. We are truly thankful for not being burdened for such monumental decision making. I look forward to the RoC joining the Civilised world and being a little just a little more inclusive in the future, only about 5% you understand, I don’t mean to be too demanding an all that.

In the mean time we officially herby declare that we have not relinquished Turkey of the responsibility of protecting all Cypriots, so we can return the favour to you with the full RoC democratic principles and all that, old boy.