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[DT.]

We've gone through this millions of times and have proven time and time again that the Treaty of Gaurantee argument by the Turkish side is not valid.

Perhaps our TC friends may need a friendly refresher...

Mono Dahtilo.

The treaty is intact, till agreed to remove it by all parties.

Read the Law not you kafene law.

if it is intact would you kindly follow these instructions carefully so as not to be liable for breaching it?

with the sole aim of re-establishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty

You can interpret anything you want in any way you like. Ultimately, in a court of law, the signed treaty will hold. I was not aware that there were null and void items in the said treaty.
Its about time of all people you should wake up to realities.
If you don't face realities, it has a habit of kicking you up the backside.

Is turkey currently in breach of the treaty of gaurantee or not?

Which clause?

They used the clause about protecting TCs and did exactly that.

this one

ARTICLE 2
Greece the United Kingdom and Turkey, taking note of the undertakings by the Republic of Cyprus embodied in Article 1, recognize and guarantee the independence, territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus,

and this one

ARTICLE 3
In the event of any breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, the United Kingdom, and Turkey undertake to consult together, with a view to making representations, or taking the necessary steps to ensure observance of those provisions. In so far as common or concerted action may prove impossible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim Of re-establishing the state of affairs established by the present Treaty.

[Paphitis]

We've gone through this millions of times and have proven time and time again that the Treaty of Gaurantee argument by the Turkish side is not valid.

Perhaps our TC friends may need a friendly refresher...

Mono Dahtilo.

The treaty is intact, till agreed to remove it by all parties.

Read the Law not you kafene law.

if it is intact would you kindly follow these instructions carefully so as not to be liable for breaching it?

with the sole aim of re-establishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty

You can interpret anything you want in any way you like. Ultimately, in a court of law, the signed treaty will hold. I was not aware that there were null and void items in the said treaty.
Its about time of all people you should wake up to realities.
If you don't face realities, it has a habit of kicking you up the backside.

Is turkey currently in breach of the treaty of gaurantee or not?

Which clause?

They used the clause about protecting TCs and did exactly that.

Wrong answer sunshine.

Moreover, in an interview to the Turkish TV channel TRT1, the Turkish Prime Minister said that the “΄TRNC΄ is of vital importance not for the safety of the Turkish Cypriots but for the safety of Turkey itself” (Kibris 26.11.2001), clearly implying that Turkey’s interest in Cyprus is related to the fulfilment of broader strategic considerations in the region of the Eastern Mediterranean, rather than to the protection of Turkish Cypriot interests.

According to Turkey's Prime Minister, the military intervention was to fulfill brader strategic objectives.

The security of the TCs was not even on the agenda. And aside from this, not even 1 TC was harmed prior to the Military Intervention and so Turkey was not required to offer any protection whatsoever.

[DT.]

We've gone through this millions of times and have proven time and time again that the Treaty of Gaurantee argument by the Turkish side is not valid.

Perhaps our TC friends may need a friendly refresher...

Mono Dahtilo.

The treaty is intact, till agreed to remove it by all parties.

Read the Law not you kafene law.

if it is intact would you kindly follow these instructions carefully so as not to be liable for breaching it?

with the sole aim of re-establishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty

You can interpret anything you want in any way you like. Ultimately, in a court of law, the signed treaty will hold. I was not aware that there were null and void items in the said treaty.
Its about time of all people you should wake up to realities.
If you don't face realities, it has a habit of kicking you up the backside.

Is turkey currently in breach of the treaty of gaurantee or not?

Which clause?

They used the clause about protecting TCs and did exactly that.

this one

ARTICLE 2
Greece the United Kingdom and Turkey, taking note of the undertakings by the Republic of Cyprus embodied in Article 1, recognize and guarantee the independence, territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus,

and this one

ARTICLE 3
In the event of any breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, the United Kingdom, and Turkey undertake to consult together, with a view to making representations, or taking the necessary steps to ensure observance of those provisions. In so far as common or concerted action may prove impossible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim Of re-establishing the state of affairs established by the present Treaty.

IS TURKEY IN BREACH OF THE ABOVE ARTICLES?

[RAFAELLA]

"When the Turkish teacher/ leader etc says the colour of milk is black, some fools start wondering if it really is black. So they go check it and what a surprise man: It is not black it is white! Then the Turkish teacher/ leader etc comes back and says you have to look at it with closed eyes. Then the fools go look at it and.... hey the Turkish teacher/ leader is right. The colour of milk is black!!! "
Then they start arguing to define milk as being equally black and equally white.

[YFred]

We've gone through this millions of times and have proven time and time again that the Treaty of Gaurantee argument by the Turkish side is not valid.

Perhaps our TC friends may need a friendly refresher...

Mono Dahtilo.

The treaty is intact, till agreed to remove it by all parties.

Read the Law not you kafene law.

if it is intact would you kindly follow these instructions carefully so as not to be liable for breaching it?

with the sole aim of re-establishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty

You can interpret anything you want in any way you like. Ultimately, in a court of law, the signed treaty will hold. I was not aware that there were null and void items in the said treaty.
Its about time of all people you should wake up to realities.
If you don't face realities, it has a habit of kicking you up the backside.

Is turkey currently in breach of the treaty of gaurantee or not?

Which clause?

They used the clause about protecting TCs and did exactly that.

this one

ARTICLE 2
Greece the United Kingdom and Turkey, taking note of the undertakings by the Republic of Cyprus embodied in Article 1, recognize and guarantee the independence, territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus,

and this one

ARTICLE 3
In the event of any breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, the United Kingdom, and Turkey undertake to consult together, with a view to making representations, or taking the necessary steps to ensure observance of those provisions. In so far as common or concerted action may prove impossible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim Of re-establishing the state of affairs established by the present Treaty.

IS TURKEY IN BREACH OF THE ABOVE ARTICLES?

This is law talk. For every one clause you will find another to support the opposite view.
Just the effort to find peace negates both above clauses as Turkey is trying to implement them as we speak.

It has been proven that the 1960 security arrangments left a lot to be desired, and simply have to be addressed.

[DT.]

We've gone through this millions of times and have proven time and time again that the Treaty of Gaurantee argument by the Turkish side is not valid.

Perhaps our TC friends may need a friendly refresher...

Mono Dahtilo.

The treaty is intact, till agreed to remove it by all parties.

Read the Law not you kafene law.

if it is intact would you kindly follow these instructions carefully so as not to be liable for breaching it?

with the sole aim of re-establishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty

You can interpret anything you want in any way you like. Ultimately, in a court of law, the signed treaty will hold. I was not aware that there were null and void items in the said treaty.
Its about time of all people you should wake up to realities.
If you don't face realities, it has a habit of kicking you up the backside.

Is turkey currently in breach of the treaty of gaurantee or not?

Which clause?

They used the clause about protecting TCs and did exactly that.

this one

ARTICLE 2
Greece the United Kingdom and Turkey, taking note of the undertakings by the Republic of Cyprus embodied in Article 1, recognize and guarantee the independence, territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus,

and this one

ARTICLE 3
In the event of any breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, the United Kingdom, and Turkey undertake to consult together, with a view to making representations, or taking the necessary steps to ensure observance of those provisions. In so far as common or concerted action may prove impossible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim Of re-establishing the state of affairs established by the present Treaty.

IS TURKEY IN BREACH OF THE ABOVE ARTICLES?

This is law talk. For every one clause you will find another to support the opposite view.
Just the effort to find peace negates both above clauses as Turkey is trying to implement them as we speak.

It has been proven that the 1960 security arrangments left a lot to be desired, and simply have to be addressed.

first you said this

Mono Dahtilo.

The treaty is intact, till agreed to remove it by all parties.

Read the Law not you kafene law

and now you say this

This is law talk. For every one clause you will find another to support the opposite view.
Just the effort to find peace negates both above clauses as Turkey is trying to implement them as we speak.

I don't think I've ever witnessed a quicker 180 in all my time on this forum

[YFred]

We've gone through this millions of times and have proven time and time again that the Treaty of Gaurantee argument by the Turkish side is not valid.

Perhaps our TC friends may need a friendly refresher...

Mono Dahtilo.

The treaty is intact, till agreed to remove it by all parties.

Read the Law not you kafene law.

if it is intact would you kindly follow these instructions carefully so as not to be liable for breaching it?

with the sole aim of re-establishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty

You can interpret anything you want in any way you like. Ultimately, in a court of law, the signed treaty will hold. I was not aware that there were null and void items in the said treaty.
Its about time of all people you should wake up to realities.
If you don't face realities, it has a habit of kicking you up the backside.

Is turkey currently in breach of the treaty of gaurantee or not?

Which clause?

They used the clause about protecting TCs and did exactly that.

this one

ARTICLE 2
Greece the United Kingdom and Turkey, taking note of the undertakings by the Republic of Cyprus embodied in Article 1, recognize and guarantee the independence, territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus,

and this one

ARTICLE 3
In the event of any breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, the United Kingdom, and Turkey undertake to consult together, with a view to making representations, or taking the necessary steps to ensure observance of those provisions. In so far as common or concerted action may prove impossible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim Of re-establishing the state of affairs established by the present Treaty.

IS TURKEY IN BREACH OF THE ABOVE ARTICLES?

This is law talk. For every one clause you will find another to support the opposite view.
Just the effort to find peace negates both above clauses as Turkey is trying to implement them as we speak.

It has been proven that the 1960 security arrangments left a lot to be desired, and simply have to be addressed.

first you said this

Mono Dahtilo.

The treaty is intact, till agreed to remove it by all parties.

Read the Law not you kafene law

and now you say this

This is law talk. For every one clause you will find another to support the opposite view.
Just the effort to find peace negates both above clauses as Turkey is trying to implement them as we speak.

I don't think I've ever witnessed a quicker 180 in all my time on this forum

Now you are talking bullshit. If the treaty is not intact, why has the RoC taken no action to tear up the treaty Legally as your x-president was so legallistic.

[DT.]

ok, lets try again.

with the 2 articles of the treaty I gave you....is Turkey in breach of the treaty at this moment in time or not?

And by the way the ex-president has stated on numerous occassions that the treaty of gaurantee died when Turkey breached it.

[Paphitis]

We've gone through this millions of times and have proven time and time again that the Treaty of Gaurantee argument by the Turkish side is not valid.

Perhaps our TC friends may need a friendly refresher...

Mono Dahtilo.

The treaty is intact, till agreed to remove it by all parties.

Read the Law not you kafene law.

if it is intact would you kindly follow these instructions carefully so as not to be liable for breaching it?

with the sole aim of re-establishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty

You can interpret anything you want in any way you like. Ultimately, in a court of law, the signed treaty will hold. I was not aware that there were null and void items in the said treaty.
Its about time of all people you should wake up to realities.
If you don't face realities, it has a habit of kicking you up the backside.

Is turkey currently in breach of the treaty of gaurantee or not?

Which clause?

They used the clause about protecting TCs and did exactly that.

this one

ARTICLE 2
Greece the United Kingdom and Turkey, taking note of the undertakings by the Republic of Cyprus embodied in Article 1, recognize and guarantee the independence, territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus,

and this one

ARTICLE 3
In the event of any breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, the United Kingdom, and Turkey undertake to consult together, with a view to making representations, or taking the necessary steps to ensure observance of those provisions. In so far as common or concerted action may prove impossible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim Of re-establishing the state of affairs established by the present Treaty.

IS TURKEY IN BREACH OF THE ABOVE ARTICLES?

This is law talk. For every one clause you will find another to support the opposite view.
Just the effort to find peace negates both above clauses as Turkey is trying to implement them as we speak.

It has been proven that the 1960 security arrangements left a lot to be desired, and simply have to be addressed.

So Turkey addressed the 1960 issues by Militarily invading the RoC and contravening her treaty obligations in the process.

Turkey is obligated to re-establish the 1960 State of Affairs and not address any perceived deficiencies by invading and occupying the RoC and thus violate the Republic's territorial integrity, sovereignty and with no UN mandate.

This sure as hell means that Turkey has breached her contract obligations to the RoC, and therefore the contract is null and void.

[YFred]

:lol: ok, lets try again.

with the 2 articles of the treaty I gave you....is Turkey in breach of the treaty at this moment in time or not?

No DT,
If this treaty is no longer valid, why don't the RoC test it. Attack the TCs to see if Turkey responds. You will be safe after all the guarantee is no longer there.

Stop talking bullshit and please concentrate on finding a solution that will be acceptable to both sides.