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[YFred]

63 v 74 ?

May I say immediately that this isn't about relative attrocities.

I'll join with anyone who is prepared to forgive the other community if not individual criminals and to move on. Forget ? That's another matter for we would be foolish to think that the events of '74 say could ever be forgotten. Our generation has written yet another notably notorious chapter in the long Cy tragedy.

Well all the above is pretty uncontentious, maybe enough to make some feel that I'll be joining others here to walk hand in hand up Ledra. Sorry, not quite yet!



Happy to move on, many here are happy to move on; but we have a problem with some of our northern friends. It's been said before ( I don't claim any originality) that almost all of our northern friends will use what they see as the events of 63 to determine the future. Every other post reverts to the events of 63 to promote special privileges, special guarantees and special safeguards. Tens of thousands of posts, all repeating the same old, lame excuses for special treatment. They cannot go unchallenged of course, this is an argumentative forum so we all get dragged back to 1963. Naturally the response to the events of 63 are those of 74.

...but let me ask this by way of a challenge to all ...Find a single post amongst 00,000s where the events of 74 have been used to dictate or determine the future in the same ways and to the same extent as those of 63.

Yes move on from 2009 onwards but some here would do well to remember that there is a difference between between reconciliation and capitulation to special treatment. When they've learnt it, I'll join them on the stroll up Ledra.

Dumping of Turkeys guarantees.

.... Dumping of Turkish guarantees? Ended with EU Accession five years ago. Shall we move on?

We are talking about changes demanded by the GCs based on the events of 1974...We did not agree to its removal.

I can only refer you to the EU again VP. The Treaty of Rome is a "force majeure", EU law takes precedence over national laws. This matter was decided with EU entry.

Why do you require this Turkish guarantee? Why is it important to you?

This means nothing as we see when trying to agree a new solution, security is an issue of utmost importance and "force majuere" will not work in our case. Dont forget the "RoC" entered the EU without our agreement.

Turkeys guarantee is an important deterrant and has stopped the GCs from doing anything silly by force. This is also necessary in the future as you never know when GCs will decide that they do not want to stick to international agreements and therefore move the goal posts yet again, they are always prone to renegge on agreements they have signed.

Without that gurantee there would be no TCs left in Cyprus today. I have no doubt about that.

[Oracle]

So you were on our island for nearly 400 years, and it was only ten years of some "guarantee" that kept you alive here?

Idiot! ... what a waste

[YFred]

So you were on our island for nearly 400 years, and it was only ten years of some "guarantee" that kept you alive here?

Idiot! ... what a waste

Dearest Oracle,
It makes perfect sense, nothing idiotic about it. Because it coincided with the years that people like you came to power, which meant that it was going to be inevitably needed.

The worrying thing is so long as people like you exist, it will be needed again. Isn't that a shame?

[repulsewarrior]

So basically, it's like running a Zoo. All the animals (minorities) have their needs met, regardless of individual numbers. Their rights to maintain their "cultural" preferences, e.g. carnivorous or herbivorous etc. are respected and allowances made. Enclosures/villages are such that compatible animals can mix and others are protected from the stronger. Etc etc etc. But in the end, the Zoo Keeper and his staff (RoC government) runs the whole show, for the benefit of the mixed community.

Is this what Repulsewarrior is on about?

...oh my dear!

indeed, you have it; the possibility of many National Assemblies and one strong and united State.

an identity for People: as an Individual and as a Person; Bicommunal.

enclaves; geographic components which make a part, within a whole; Bizonal.

...please read my manifesto.