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[Get Real!]

Your are playing around with figures.
Have a look at figures between 1960 and 1973.

That will give you the picture that led to 1974.
If you want to have a serious debate, don't play stupid games.

When somebody asks you… Which figures? What sources? etc...

It’s your DUTY to provide them IMMEDIATELY and stop beating around the bush if you're to have any credibility, otherwise....

GET OFF THE CYPRUS FORUM!

Yes sir, please forgive me.

You are a funny guy. You are talking to a guy who lived it and you want more credible resource.
GR Get stuffed like a good turkey.

Don't tell others that they are "playing stupid games" while all the time it is YOU who never presents a shred of evidence for anything that comes out your rear end.

If we continue like this we’ll have to rename this forum section from the “Cyprus Problem” to “Y-Fronts’ anal abyss”!

I sympathise GR. Just like you, if I didn't live it, I wouldn't believe me either. That’s how bad it was.

You are not the first or the last who was in Cyprus during the conflicts, but that still doesn’t make you a credible source for Cyprus-wide facts and figures!

Get over yourself!

[YFred]

Your are playing around with figures.
Have a look at figures between 1960 and 1973.

That will give you the picture that led to 1974.
If you want to have a serious debate, don't play stupid games.

When somebody asks you… Which figures? What sources? etc...

It’s your DUTY to provide them IMMEDIATELY and stop beating around the bush if you're to have any credibility, otherwise....

GET OFF THE CYPRUS FORUM!

Yes sir, please forgive me.

You are a funny guy. You are talking to a guy who lived it and you want more credible resource.
GR Get stuffed like a good turkey.

Don't tell others that they are "playing stupid games" while all the time it is YOU who never presents a shred of evidence for anything that comes out your rear end.

If we continue like this we’ll have to rename this forum section from the “Cyprus Problem” to “Y-Fronts’ anal abyss”!

I sympathise GR. Just like you, if I didn't live it, I wouldn't believe me either. That’s how bad it was.

You are not the first or the last who was in Cyprus during the conflicts, but that still doesn’t make you a credible source for Cyprus-wide facts and figures!

Get over yourself!

How can I be credible source Cyprus wide, when I was imprisoned in Lurucina for so long by the RoC. But I have knowledge that is equal in weight, pound for pound.
I can forgive but will never forget.

[Bananiot]

Mehmet was in top form YFred. We had a good time in Paralimni. We attended a work lab that was organised by the Paralimni Lyceum and the Paidagogical Institute based the Ministry's target of "creating a culture of friendship, mutual understanding and cooperation between the two communities". Me a Mehmet participated in the discussion of the role of youth and we were very impressed by the participation of the pupils who did not exhibit any sick nationalist feelings. At one instance I asked a rather provocative question to an animated Greek Cypriot student. I asked him if he would ever marry a Turkish Cypriot girl. He told me yes, provided she was as pretty as a model and had 1 million euro in her bank account! All in all it was a very good experience.

P.S. An aging Makarios ... that was GR's excuse, rather says it all.

[halil]

YFred ,
Mehmet meets your brother I...... , they are working together with him at Lurijina yasiyor project . u see i am following everything .

[YFred]

Mehmet was in top form YFred. We had a good time in Paralimni. We attended a work lab that was organised by the Paralimni Lyceum and the Paidagogical Institute based the Ministry's target of "creating a culture of friendship, mutual understanding and cooperation between the two communities". Me a Mehmet participated in the discussion of the role of youth and we were very impressed by the participation of the pupils who did not exhibit any sick nationalist feelings. At one instance I asked a rather provocative question to an animated Greek Cypriot student. I asked him if he would ever marry a Turkish Cypriot girl. He told me yes, provided she was as pretty as a model and had 1 million euro in her bank account! All in all it was a very good experience.

P.S. An aging Makarios ... that was GR's excuse, rather says it all.

Thats very good. The future looks good for all.

[YFred]

YFred ,
Mehmet meets your brother I...... , they are working together with him at Lurijina yasiyor project . u see i am following everything .

Halil you are doing a good job. Keep it up. Its just occasionally you are not politically correct, but we are who we are and GR and the likes of him can get stuffed as far as I am concerned.

I didn't know that Mehmet was involved in that. I know most of the others.

[bill cobbett]

YFred ,
Mehmet meets your brother I...... , they are working together with him at Lurijina yasiyor project . u see i am following everything .

Let us know when you're leading anything mate so we might start worrying.

[YFred]

YFred ,
Mehmet meets your brother I...... , they are working together with him at Lurijina yasiyor project . u see i am following everything .

Let us know when you're leading anything mate so we might start worrying.

Dear Bill,

What you don't realise is that us Lurucadies have our fingers on the pulse from the ground up to the top. Know what I mean, Suddenly it'll hit you and you will not know where it came from.

[halil]

YFred ,
Mehmet meets your brother I...... , they are working together with him at Lurijina yasiyor project . u see i am following everything .

Halil you are doing a good job. Keep it up. Its just occasionally you are not politically correct, but we are who we are and GR and the likes of him can get stuffed as far as I am concerned.

I didn't know that Mehmet was involved in that. I know most of the others.

lots of people are working behind the walls ....
what i think politicaly u have to meet me to understand Fred . By reading in here u can not judge ....

[Viewpoint]

63 v 74 ?

May I say immediately that this isn't about relative attrocities.

I'll join with anyone who is prepared to forgive the other community if not individual criminals and to move on. Forget ? That's another matter for we would be foolish to think that the events of '74 say could ever be forgotten. Our generation has written yet another notably notorious chapter in the long Cy tragedy.

Well all the above is pretty uncontentious, maybe enough to make some feel that I'll be joining others here to walk hand in hand up Ledra. Sorry, not quite yet!



Happy to move on, many here are happy to move on; but we have a problem with some of our northern friends. It's been said before ( I don't claim any originality) that almost all of our northern friends will use what they see as the events of 63 to determine the future. Every other post reverts to the events of 63 to promote special privileges, special guarantees and special safeguards. Tens of thousands of posts, all repeating the same old, lame excuses for special treatment. They cannot go unchallenged of course, this is an argumentative forum so we all get dragged back to 1963. Naturally the response to the events of 63 are those of 74.

...but let me ask this by way of a challenge to all ...Find a single post amongst 00,000s where the events of 74 have been used to dictate or determine the future in the same ways and to the same extent as those of 63.

Yes move on from 2009 onwards but some here would do well to remember that there is a difference between between reconciliation and capitulation to special treatment. When they've learnt it, I'll join them on the stroll up Ledra.

Dumping of Turkeys guarantees.

.... Dumping of Turkish guarantees? Ended with EU Accession five years ago. Shall we move on?

We are talking about changes demanded by the GCs based on the events of 1974...We did not agree to its removal.

I can only refer you to the EU again VP. The Treaty of Rome is a "force majeure", EU law takes precedence over national laws. This matter was decided with EU entry.

Why do you require this Turkish guarantee? Why is it important to you?

This means nothing as we see when trying to agree a new solution, security is an issue of utmost importance and "force majuere" will not work in our case. Dont forget the "RoC" entered the EU without our agreement.

Turkeys guarantee is an important deterrant and has stopped the GCs from doing anything silly by force. This is also necessary in the future as you never know when GCs will decide that they do not want to stick to international agreements and therefore move the goal posts yet again, they are always prone to renegge on agreements they have signed.