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[insan]

Double the numbers to make it sound more effective. All international sources state that abt 6.000 Greeks and GC were killed and nmumber of refugees was abt 140.000(1974-1977). I remembered the speech of Makarios how he was exaggerating the numbers by making calculations over percentages....

[DT.]

Double the numbers to make it sound more effective. All international sources state that abt 6.000 Greeks and GC were killed and nmumber of refugees was abt 140.000(1974-1977). I remembered the speech of Makarios how he was exaggerating the numbers by making calculations over percentages....

could you give us just ONE of these international sources?

[YFred]

UN resolutions say that political equality between the two communities does not mean numerical representation but effective participation in governance.

The Turkish Cypriots could be a minority in the different bodies of the Central Government but decisions will be taken in such a way so that the majority will not be able to dictate decisions. The Annan Plan provided an ingenious way to overcome this issue, but we rejected it.

You are referring to Legislative Council or Senate safeguards and not the House of Representatives.

Obviously the same would also apply to the Armenians, Latin and Maronite Cypriots, as they too should also be allocated the same number of Senate seats, just to ensure that their rights are not abused. Or is it only the TCs that deserve this "special" status?

You killed the Muslim TCs so they need safeguards. Christian Armenian,Latin, Maronites are already dissolved within GC society and you are not a threat for them.

The GCs had to defend themselves against TC and TMT attacks. So it was only natural that you have 800 odd casualties from 58-74. Compare this to 15,000 GCs that the Turks killed from 58-74and the 200,000 that were ethnically cleansed. It is the GCs that require Guarantees and protection from Turkish war crimes.

Two questions for you.
1. How many GCs were killed between 1963 and 1974?
2. How many TCs would have been killed if TA did not arrive?

Come on I need a good laugh?

About 10,000 GCs were killed between 63 and 74.

No TCs were killed prior to Turkey's invasion. There were no Inter communal clashes since 67.

If Turkey did not invade, there would have been peace and harmony on the island. The coup was a GC affair and its aim was not ENOSIS.

Yep true to form. It's the funniest thing you've posted so far.

Why is that?

I have answered your questions truthfully.

About 10,000 GCs were killed between 63-74 and over 200,000 were ethnically cleansed from their homes.

No TCs were killed between 67 and 74.

Your are playing around with figures.
Have a look at figures between 1960 and 1973.

That will give you the picture that led to 1974.
If you want to have a serious debate, don't play stupid games.

[DT.]

Double the numbers to make it sound more effective. All international sources state that abt 6.000 Greeks and GC were killed and nmumber of refugees was abt 140.000(1974-1977). I remembered the speech of Makarios how he was exaggerating the numbers by making calculations over percentages....

could you give us just ONE of these international sources?

[Get Real!]

Your are playing around with figures.
Have a look at figures between 1960 and 1973.

That will give you the picture that led to 1974.
If you want to have a serious debate, don't play stupid games.

When somebody asks you… Which figures? What sources? etc...

It’s your DUTY to provide them IMMEDIATELY and stop beating around the bush if you're to have any credibility, otherwise....

GET OFF THE CYPRUS FORUM!

[insan]

Double the numbers to make it sound more effective. All international sources state that abt 6.000 Greeks and GC were killed and number of refugees was abt 140.000(1974-1977). I remembered the speech of Makarios how he was exaggerating the numbers by making calculations over percentages....

could you give us just ONE of these international sources?

Turkey, using as justification its position as a guarantor country to the 1960 Independence Treaty, invaded Cyprus in the same month. In two separate stages, Turkish troops occupied 37% of the island’s territory and displaced 142.000 Greek Cypriots from their homes.

http://eacea.ec.europa.eu/ressources/eu ... /CY_EN.pdf

Refugees and internally displaced persons:
IDPs: 210,000 (both Turkish and Greek Cypriots; many displaced for

over 30 years) (2007)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... /2194.html


As with so much of the statistical information relating to the Cyprus

conflict, figures given for refugees tend to obfuscated for political

and propaganda purposes the estimated numbers of refugees vary

from 150.000 to 200.000 Greek Cypriots.


http://books.google.com.tr/books?

id=ZACMiyx3sJkC&pg=PA242&lpg=PA242&dq=greek%

2Bcypriot%2Brefugees%2B160.000&source=bl&ots=-

d0kAAkc4t&sig=zEAyV9g8FL_aGwLvTRXic2Fm8I4&hl=tr&ei=aYy

2SY-4H8G9-

AaMq8z4Cg&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result#PPA242

,M1

The Greek-Cypriot government speaks usually of 200,000 such

refugees.

The United States estimates the figure to be between 140,000 and

160,000 at the time of the invasion. Since then, the number of

"refugees" has grown as their children and grandchildren are also

considered refugees.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... /20060625-

103518-1257r/

[Get Real!]

As with so much of the statistical information relating to the Cyprus conflict, figures given for refugees tend to obfuscated for political and propaganda purposes the estimated numbers of refugees vary

How about I save you a lot of time by informing that the UN revised count came to about 185,000. Ok? No link as I can't be bothered right now but trust unkie GR.

[YFred]

Your are playing around with figures.
Have a look at figures between 1960 and 1973.

That will give you the picture that led to 1974.
If you want to have a serious debate, don't play stupid games.

When somebody asks you… Which figures? What sources? etc...

It’s your DUTY to provide them IMMEDIATELY and stop beating around the bush if you're to have any credibility, otherwise....

GET OFF THE CYPRUS FORUM!

Yes sir, please forgive me.

You are a funny guy. You are talking to a guy who lived it and you want more credible resource.
GR Get stuffed like a good turkey.

[Get Real!]

Your are playing around with figures.
Have a look at figures between 1960 and 1973.

That will give you the picture that led to 1974.
If you want to have a serious debate, don't play stupid games.

When somebody asks you… Which figures? What sources? etc...

It’s your DUTY to provide them IMMEDIATELY and stop beating around the bush if you're to have any credibility, otherwise....

GET OFF THE CYPRUS FORUM!

Yes sir, please forgive me.

You are a funny guy. You are talking to a guy who lived it and you want more credible resource.
GR Get stuffed like a good turkey.

Don't tell others that they are "playing stupid games" while all the time it is YOU who never presents a shred of evidence for anything that comes out your rear end.

If we continue like this we’ll have to rename this forum section from the “Cyprus Problem” to “Y-Fronts’ anal abyss”!

[YFred]

Your are playing around with figures.
Have a look at figures between 1960 and 1973.

That will give you the picture that led to 1974.
If you want to have a serious debate, don't play stupid games.

When somebody asks you… Which figures? What sources? etc...

It’s your DUTY to provide them IMMEDIATELY and stop beating around the bush if you're to have any credibility, otherwise....

GET OFF THE CYPRUS FORUM!

Yes sir, please forgive me.

You are a funny guy. You are talking to a guy who lived it and you want more credible resource.
GR Get stuffed like a good turkey.

Don't tell others that they are "playing stupid games" while all the time it is YOU who never presents a shred of evidence for anything that comes out your rear end.

If we continue like this we’ll have to rename this forum section from the “Cyprus Problem” to “Y-Fronts’ anal abyss”!

I sympathise GR. Just like you, if I didn't live it, I wouldn't believe me either. That’s how bad it was.