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[Bananiot]

How can a community comprising only 18% of the population be political equal to the remaining 80%?

This question should be directed at the United Nations. This institution, whose principles we claim to uphold, claims that the solution of the Cyprus problem should entail Bicommunal, Bizonal Federation with political equality of the two communities in the central government. The UN has intrpreted this as meaning "effective participation in all the organs of the federal government".

[Paphitis]

How can a community comprising only 18% of the population be political equal to the remaining 80%?

This question should be directed at the United Nations. This institution, whose principles we claim to uphold, claims that the solution of the Cyprus problem should entail Bicommunal, Bizonal Federation with political equality of the two communities in the central government. The UN has intrpreted this as meaning "effective participation in all the organs of the federal government".

Federated states are political equal within all Federations. Look at the US and Australia as an example.

Political Equality of the Federated States and Political Equality on an individual basis within the House of Representatives is a totally different matter.

The UN has never dictated that the 18% are politically equal to the 82% as far as representation is concerned within the Federal House of Representatives.

Stop trying to cloud the Issue.

Marcos Kypriannou addressed the Cypriots of the Diaspora and informed them that anything other than Democracy on an individual basis will NEVER be accepted. Neither will the proposed "Virgin Birth", any outdated Treaties of Guarantee and the property rights of refugees will be protected.

[DT.]

How can a community comprising only 18% of the population be political equal to the remaining 80%?

This question should be directed at the United Nations. This institution, whose principles we claim to uphold, claims that the solution of the Cyprus problem should entail Bicommunal, Bizonal Federation with political equality of the two communities in the central government. The UN has intrpreted this as meaning "effective participation in all the organs of the federal government".

UN resolutions say that political equality between the two communities does not mean numerical representation but effective participation in governance. The UN Declaration on the Rights of Persons belonging to National or Ethnic, Religous and Linguistic Minorities states the following with anexplanation oneffective participation.


http://www.minorityrights.org/554/inter ... ities.html
Article 1

1. States shall protect the existence and the national or ethnic, cultural, religious and linguistic identity of minorities within their respective territories and shall encourage conditions for the promotion of that identity.

2. States shall adopt appropriate legislative and other measures to achieve those ends.

Article 2

1. Persons belonging to national or ethnic, religious and linguistic minorities (hereinafter referred to as persons belonging to minorities) have the right to enjoy their own culture, to profess and practise their own religion, and to use their own language, in private and in public, freely and without interference or any form of discrimination.

2. Persons belonging to minorities have the right to participate effectively in cultural, religious, social, economic and public life.

3. Persons belonging to minorities have the right to participate effectively in decisions on the national and, where appropriate, regional level concerning the minority to which they belong or the regions in which they live, in a manner not incompatible with national legislation.

4. Persons belonging to minorities have the right to establish and maintain their own associations.

5. Persons belonging to minorities have the right to establish and maintain, without any discrimination, free and peaceful contacts with other members of their group and with persons belonging to other minorities, as well as contacts across frontiers with citizens of other States to whom they are related by national or ethnic, religious or linguistic ties.

Article 3

1. Persons belonging to minorities may exercise their rights, including those set forth in the present Declaration, individually as well as in community with other members of their group, without any discrimination.

2. No disadvantage shall result for any person belonging to a minority as the consequence of the exercise or non-exercise of the rights set forth in the present Declaration.

Article 4

1. States shall take measures where required to ensure that persons belonging to minorities may exercise fully and effectively all their human rights and fundamental freedoms without any discrimination and in full equality before the law.

2. States shall take measures to create favourable conditions to enable persons belonging to minorities to express their characteristics and to develop their culture, language, religion, traditions and customs, except where specific practices are in violation of national law and contrary to international standards.

3. States should take appropriate measures so that, wherever possible, persons belonging to minorities may have adequate opportunities to learn their mother tongue or to have instruction in their mother tongue.

4. States should, where appropriate, take measures in the field of education, in order to encourage knowledge of the history, traditions, language and culture of the minorities existing within their territory. Persons belonging to minorities should have adequate opportunities to gain knowledge of the society as a whole.

5. States should consider appropriate measures so that persons belonging to minorities may participate fully in the economic progress and development in their country.

Article 5

1. National policies and programmes shall be planned and implemented with due regard for the legitimate interests of persons belonging to minorities.

2. Programmes of cooperation and assistance among States should be planned and implemented with due regard for the legitimate interests of persons belonging to minorities.

Article 6

States should cooperate on questions relating to persons belonging to minorities, inter alia, exchanging information and experiences, in order to promote mutual understanding and confidence.

Article 7

States should cooperate in order to promote respect for the rights set forth in the present Declaration.

Article 8

1. Nothing in the present Declaration shall prevent the fulfilment of international obligations of States in relation to persons belonging to minorities. In particular, States shall fulfil in good faith the obligations and commitments they have assumed under international treaties and agreements to which they are parties.

2. The exercise of the rights set forth in the present Declaration shall not prejudice the enjoyment by all persons of universally recognized human rights and fundamental freedoms.

3. Measures taken by States to ensure the effective enjoyment of the rights set forth in the present Declaration shall not prima facie be considered contrary to the principle of equality contained in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

4. Nothing in the present Declaration may be construed as permitting any activity contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations, including sovereign equality, territorial integrity and political independence of States.

Article 9

The specialized agencies and other organizations of the United Nations system shall contribute to the full realization of the rights and principles set forth in the present Declaration, within their respective fields of competence.

[Oracle]

So basically, it's like running a Zoo. All the animals (minorities) have their needs met, regardless of individual numbers. Their rights to maintain their "cultural" preferences, e.g. carnivorous or herbivorous etc. are respected and allowances made. Enclosures/villages are such that compatible animals can mix and others are protected from the stronger. Etc etc etc. But in the end, the Zoo Keeper and his staff (RoC government) runs the whole show, for the benefit of the mixed community.

Is this what Repulsewarrior is on about?

[YFred]

So basically, it's like running a Zoo. All the animals (minorities) have their needs met, regardless of individual numbers. Their rights to maintain their "cultural" preferences, e.g. carnivorous or herbivorous etc. are respected and allowances made. Enclosures/villages are such that compatible animals can mix and others are protected from the stronger. Etc etc etc. But in the end, the Zoo Keeper and his staff (RoC government) runs the whole show, for the benefit of the mixed community.

Is this what Repulsewarrior is on about?

You are an excuse for a human being. You should be biologically tested. You do not have a single gene from the human genome.

[DT.]

How can a community comprising only 18% of the population be political equal to the remaining 80%?

This question should be directed at the United Nations. This institution, whose principles we claim to uphold, claims that the solution of the Cyprus problem should entail Bicommunal, Bizonal Federation with political equality of the two communities in the central government. The UN has intrpreted this as meaning "effective participation in all the organs of the federal government".

UN resolutions say that political equality between the two communities does not mean numerical representation but effective participation in governance. The UN Declaration on the Rights of Persons belonging to National or Ethnic, Religous and Linguistic Minorities states the following with anexplanation oneffective participation.


http://www.minorityrights.org/554/inter ... ities.html
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bananiot, does this answer your question?

[Bananiot]

UN resolutions say that political equality between the two communities does not mean numerical representation but effective participation in governance.

The Turkish Cypriots could be a minority in the different bodies of the Central Government but decisions will be taken in such a way so that the majority will not be able to dictate decisions. The Annan Plan provided an ingenious way to overcome this issue, but we rejected it.

[YFred]

Bananiot, how was Mehmet?

[Paphitis]

UN resolutions say that political equality between the two communities does not mean numerical representation but effective participation in governance.

The Turkish Cypriots could be a minority in the different bodies of the Central Government but decisions will be taken in such a way so that the majority will not be able to dictate decisions. The Annan Plan provided an ingenious way to overcome this issue, but we rejected it.

You are referring to Legislative Council or Senate safeguards and not the House of Representatives.

Obviously the same would also apply to the Armenians, Latin and Maronite Cypriots, as they too should also be allocated the same number of Senate seats, just to ensure that their rights are not abused. Or is it only the TCs that deserve this "special" status?

[runaway]

UN resolutions say that political equality between the two communities does not mean numerical representation but effective participation in governance.

The Turkish Cypriots could be a minority in the different bodies of the Central Government but decisions will be taken in such a way so that the majority will not be able to dictate decisions. The Annan Plan provided an ingenious way to overcome this issue, but we rejected it.

You are referring to Legislative Council or Senate safeguards and not the House of Representatives.

Obviously the same would also apply to the Armenians, Latin and Maronite Cypriots, as they too should also be allocated the same number of Senate seats, just to ensure that their rights are not abused. Or is it only the TCs that deserve this "special" status?

You killed the Muslim TCs so they need safeguards. Christian Armenian,Latin, Maronites are already dissolved within GC society and you are not a threat for them.