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[DT.]

Yfred is claiming guranatee rights from Turkey due to a fear of violence from the GC's on a thread entitled Execution of 17 GC's in St Hilarion...and he doesn't for a second consider the irony of this or that the Gc's might have reason to be allergic to such provisions.

[YFred]

Yfred is claiming guranatee rights from Turkey due to a fear of violence from the GC's on a thread entitled Execution of 17 GC's in St Hilarion...and he doesn't for a second consider the irony of this or that the Gc's might have reason to be allergic to such provisions.

DT,
What you are saying is if I start kicking the shit out of you, I don't want that man to come and attack me.

Its very simple, if you do not intend to attack the TCs in the future, why do you fear the guarantee.

[Paphitis]

I'm not saying a word.

Should we not be saying please lets move on!

We know about the atrocitoes all the way back to 1570.

Then why are you demanding Guarantee Treaties and an uneven democratic field?

Because we know about the Greek atrocities. Stupid.
No Uneven democratic field. If Cyprus can hold the presedency on equal time with Germany, the proposal is very european. Don't you agree old boy.

No I don't and neither does the RoC Government.

Which Greek atrocities could compare to 1571 and then 15,000 GCs dead from 58-74?

You are blind. That is the whole point. If they didn't you would have had 150000 TC killed.

If we didn't what? How dare we the 82% desire self determination.

Do you understand what you have just done. Have another read of this thread, and you will realize that it is the GCs that require Guarantor Treaties and not the other way around.

[DT.]

Yfred is claiming guranatee rights from Turkey due to a fear of violence from the GC's on a thread entitled Execution of 17 GC's in St Hilarion...and he doesn't for a second consider the irony of this or that the Gc's might have reason to be allergic to such provisions.

DT,
What you are saying is if I start kicking the shit out of you, I don't want that man to come and attack me.

Its very simple, if you do not intend to attack the TCs in the future, why do you fear the guarantee.

Apart from the insult to the sovereignty of my country, Turkey has a tendency to interpret agreements any way it sees fit.

The treaty of gaurantee never spoke about partitioning the island and setting up a pseudostate....yet Turkey did it and still claims to have done it in accordance with the treaty of gaurantee.

[YFred]

I'm not saying a word.

Should we not be saying please lets move on!

We know about the atrocitoes all the way back to 1570.

Then why are you demanding Guarantee Treaties and an uneven democratic field?

Because we know about the Greek atrocities. Stupid.
No Uneven democratic field. If Cyprus can hold the presedency on equal time with Germany, the proposal is very european. Don't you agree old boy.

No I don't and neither does the RoC Government.

Which Greek atrocities could compare to 1571 and then 15,000 GCs dead from 58-74?

You are blind. That is the whole point. If they didn't you would have had 150000 TC killed.

If we didn't what? How dare we the 82% desire self determination.

Do you understand what you have just done. Have another read of this thread, and you will realize that it is the GCs that require Guarantor Treaties and not the other way around.

Don't be stupid. GCs don't require guaranties. They just should not do what GR proposes. There are plenty of GR minded GCs. That is the purpose of the Turkish Guarantee.

[Paphitis]

Yfred is claiming guranatee rights from Turkey due to a fear of violence from the GC's on a thread entitled Execution of 17 GC's in St Hilarion...and he doesn't for a second consider the irony of this or that the Gc's might have reason to be allergic to such provisions.

DT,
What you are saying is if I start kicking the shit out of you, I don't want that man to come and attack me.

Its very simple, if you do not intend to attack the TCs in the future, why do you fear the guarantee.

Apart from the insult to the sovergnty of my country, Turkey has a tendency to interprt agreements any way it sees fit.

The treaty of guarantee never spoke about partitioning the island and setting up a pseudostate....yet Turkey did it and still claims to have done it in accordance with the treaty of guarantee.

Which means Turkey has preached its contract with the RoC resulting in the Treaty not being worth the paper it is written on.

[Oracle]

Witness says bodies of missing are buried near St Hilarion castle
By Anna Hassapi

“Imagine that tourists come and take photographs of the castle and below their feet lie the bones of Greek Cypriot missing people..."

This reminds me of the evocative post Kifeas made a few days ago ...

We are the indigenous people of this country. We are one with the mountains of this country, one with its stones, its trees, its rocks, its waters, its skies and its seas. It is estimated that during our long history, about 10 millions of GCs have lived in this island, and have now passed away. If each one of them needs one (1) sq. meter for his burial place, then 10 mil. Sq. meters of this island do contain our ancestors’ bones. The territory of this island is only about 9.2 millions of sq. meters, therefore chances are you are currently seating over the bones of one of our ancestors. Every meter you cover daily while walking, you are passing over the burial place of one the ancestors of the Greek Cypriots. Every meter you are digging daily to plant a tree or a flower, your mixing your hands with the soil that digested the blood and the flesh of one of our ancestors, and which contains their bones. We are part of the nature of this island-country. In choosing to fight us in this island, you have chosen to fight the nature of this country. There is no human being that can put up a fight with nature itself, and this is precisely what you have chosen to do. In the end, nature will prevail!

[YFred]

Yfred is claiming guranatee rights from Turkey due to a fear of violence from the GC's on a thread entitled Execution of 17 GC's in St Hilarion...and he doesn't for a second consider the irony of this or that the Gc's might have reason to be allergic to such provisions.

DT,
What you are saying is if I start kicking the shit out of you, I don't want that man to come and attack me.

Its very simple, if you do not intend to attack the TCs in the future, why do you fear the guarantee.

Apart from the insult to the sovergnty of my country, Turkey has a tendency to interprt agreements any way it sees fit.

The treaty of guarantee never spoke about partitioning the island and setting up a pseudostate....yet Turkey did it and still claims to have done it in accordance with the treaty of guarantee.

Which means Turkey has preached its contract with the RoC resulting in the Treaty not being worth the paper it is written on.

No it did not, but Turkey solved the one problem that was not addressed in the guaranty because nobody in their right mind would have expected a highly cultured and educated society to turn and attempt to wipe another out. This really is up to you sleeping GCs. The sooner you wake up the sooner we will have peace on this island of ours. With or without the Australians.

[Paphitis]

Yfred is claiming guranatee rights from Turkey due to a fear of violence from the GC's on a thread entitled Execution of 17 GC's in St Hilarion...and he doesn't for a second consider the irony of this or that the Gc's might have reason to be allergic to such provisions.

DT,
What you are saying is if I start kicking the shit out of you, I don't want that man to come and attack me.

Its very simple, if you do not intend to attack the TCs in the future, why do you fear the guarantee.

Apart from the insult to the sovergnty of my country, Turkey has a tendency to interprt agreements any way it sees fit.

The treaty of guarantee never spoke about partitioning the island and setting up a pseudostate....yet Turkey did it and still claims to have done it in accordance with the treaty of guarantee.

Which means Turkey has preached its contract with the RoC resulting in the Treaty not being worth the paper it is written on.

No it did not, but Turkey solved the one problem that was not addressed in the guaranty because nobody in their right mind would have expected a highly cultured and educated society to turn and attempt to wipe another out. This really is up to you sleeping GCs. The sooner you wake up the sooner we will have peace on this island of ours. With or without the Australians.

What does Australia have to do with Turkey's crimes on Cyprus apart from condemning your war crimes?

The 1571 siege of Nicosia resulted in the death of some 30,000 Cypriots. In 1821, GO priests and Bishops were decapitated. For over 300 years, GCs were over taxed and oppressed. In 1958, the TCs fought against the GCs and their desire for self determination. Finally in 1974, Turkey ethnically cleansed 200,000 GCs, killed 10,000, looted and destroyed our cultural heritage.

When did the GCs try to wipe out the TCs?

[YFred]

Yfred is claiming guranatee rights from Turkey due to a fear of violence from the GC's on a thread entitled Execution of 17 GC's in St Hilarion...and he doesn't for a second consider the irony of this or that the Gc's might have reason to be allergic to such provisions.

DT,
What you are saying is if I start kicking the shit out of you, I don't want that man to come and attack me.

Its very simple, if you do not intend to attack the TCs in the future, why do you fear the guarantee.

Apart from the insult to the sovergnty of my country, Turkey has a tendency to interprt agreements any way it sees fit.

The treaty of guarantee never spoke about partitioning the island and setting up a pseudostate....yet Turkey did it and still claims to have done it in accordance with the treaty of guarantee.

Which means Turkey has preached its contract with the RoC resulting in the Treaty not being worth the paper it is written on.

No it did not, but Turkey solved the one problem that was not addressed in the guaranty because nobody in their right mind would have expected a highly cultured and educated society to turn and attempt to wipe another out. This really is up to you sleeping GCs. The sooner you wake up the sooner we will have peace on this island of ours. With or without the Australians.

What does Australia have to do with Turkey's crimes on Cyprus apart from condemning your war crimes?

The 1571 siege of Nicosia resulted in the death of some 30,000 Cypriots. In 1821, GO priests and Bishops were decapitated. For over 300 years, GCs were over taxed and oppressed. In 1958, the TCs fought against the GCs and their desire for self determination. Finally in 1974, Turkey ethnically cleansed 200,000 GCs, killed 10,000, looted and destroyed our cultural heritage.

When did the GCs try to wipe out the TCs?

In 1963, were the TCs given the choice to leave their land or not.
July 1974 comes to mind. Mr Samson going to play tidlywinks
with the TC's after he wiped out the GC opposition?
If the guarantee is removed, 99.999999% of the TCs will oppose the plan.
That is our double and bold red line.