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[Piratis]

Was there a partnership that said Turkey could Napalm the GCs in efforts to steal half the island from them?

In fact there was no partnership at all. Nowhere in any agreements or anything else there is any mention of a "partnership".

[Bananiot]

Eirini-Baris, it is quite simple really. Bigots from both sides did the damage in the first place and these people are here today still. The excuses may be different, probably now they are even more stupid. In this forum some people are discussing who started first! Some go back to 1571 to make their point. I and anyone else can go back to the time when the Greeks came first and view there arrival as an invasion. This would be ridiculous of course, for each generation is responsible only for its own lifespan.

Our responsibility is to prevent the nationailists from inflicting more damage. They have already caused enough bloodshed in our lifespan. We should all stand united and tell them "you will not pass" because what they advocate is outmoded and hugely anachronistic. We should now take our future into our hands and stop complaining that others (imperialism, mother countries etc) are responsible. If we can unite on this we can together perform miracles.

[Piratis]

Eirini-Baris, it is quite simple really. Bigots from both sides did the damage in the first place and these people are here today still. The excuses may be different, probably now they are even more stupid. In this forum some people are discussing who started first! Some go back to 1571 to make their point. I and anyone else can go back to the time when the Greeks came first and view there arrival as an invasion. This would be ridiculous of course, for each generation is responsible only for its own lifespan.

Our responsibility is to prevent the nationailists from inflicting more damage. They have already caused enough bloodshed in our lifespan. We should all stand united and tell them "you will not pass" because what they advocate is outmoded and hugely anachronistic. We should now take our future into our hands and stop complaining that others (imperialism, mother countries etc) are responsible. If we can unite on this we can together perform miracles.

Who is going to the past are none else than your Turkish friends, who are trying to find excuses as to why human rights, and democracy can not be applied in Cyprus. I never seen you complain about them and their past based excuses. Why?

When the Turks go to the past, select some tiny parts of it, distord it, and then try to present that selectively chosen and distorted past as an excuse for yet more crimes against the Cypriot people, don't you think we have the right to defend Cyprus from the Turkish lies, and present the whole historical truth? You think we should allow the Turks to distort the past and use it as an excuse to steal our lands and deny to us democracy and human rights?

I and anyone else can go back to the time when the Greeks came first and view there arrival as an invasion

Why don't you try to do this then? Lets see what evidence you will have for such claim. The fact is that Cyprus 3500 years ago was mostly uninhabited, and the Greeks created new cities on uninhabited land. The Greeks that came to Cyprus were traders, and they didn't invade or oppressed any other people. On the other hand the Turks came to Cyprus with a full scale invasion, killing Cypriots by the 10s of thousands and conquering our cities and villages.

So don't try to excuse their crimes against us. If you want to leave the past behind, and concentrate on the future I will fully agree with you. So go tell your Turkish friends not to look into the past trying to find excuses to cause yet more suffering to the Cypriot people. And if they don't bring the past trying to excuse the crimes and illegalities they commit today and they want to continue committing in the future, then there will be no need for us to talk about the past either.

We are not the ones who are trying to gain on the expense of others by using the past as an excuse. On the contrary what we say is that all Cypriots should have their human and democratic rights without any kind of racist discrimination, regardless of what happened in the past.

What is your position on this? Should the past be used as an excuse for what will happen in the future? Yes or no? The answer "The Turks can use the past, but the Cypriots can not" is not good enough as I hope you understand.

[paliometoxo]

GCs broke the partnership by excluding TCs and undermining their rights and killed them and now they bark because Turkey intervened and prevented achieving their bloody dreams come true. Did you really expect Turkey would let TCs get exterminated? Now that you know what kind of an answer you will get, you won't run after impossible dreams.

you give this excuse of gcs where killing off tcs so turkey HAD to step in.. and even though after the president was restored they abandonded their peace line operation and demanded two states. and sent in a second wave of troops.

what excuse do you give for when the turks came to cyprus and started killing gcs in the thousands.. gcs just defending them against the barbarian turks and when a few of you die then you say its excuse to invade, from something the turks started in the first place.. bunch of hypocrites you turks are..

[halil]

See Halil what kind of productive debate can be expected from a thread like this ?

Yes indeed Baris ,

i knew what will come out ..... these are proofs that both sides are suffered in Cyprus .....The Cyprus problem did not started as their saying .... Turkey invade the island and occupied 1/3 of the island .
and all our problems are after 74 .

It is started after 13 points forcement over TC's to except how they wanna get the control of the Cyprus . İt was the plan to break up equal partnership of the 2 sides .

[DT.]

See Halil what kind of productive debate can be expected from a thread like this ?

Yes indeed Baris ,

i knew what will come out ..... these are proofs that both sides are suffered in Cyprus .....The Cyprus problem did not started as their saying .... Turkey invade the island and occupied 1/3 of the island .
and all our problems are after 74 .

It is started after 13 points forcement over TC's to except how they wanna get the control of the Cyprus . İt was the plan to break up equal partnership of the 2 sides .

want to talk about your plan for taksim sine the 50's halil or did that plan suddenly die in 1960? What were tc ministers doing with the circular from denktash and kutchuk? Why where they ready to depart from govt so easily?

[bill cobbett]

It is started after 13 points forcement over TC's to except how they wanna get the control of the Cyprus . ?t was the plan to break up equal partnership of the 2 sides .

Hi Halil

Can you provide some evidence to back up your claim that the 13 points were a "forcement", by which I suspect you mean forced.

Were they no more than PROPOSALS for debate?

[Ierini-Baris]

See Halil what kind of productive debate can be expected from a thread like this ?

Yes indeed Baris ,

i knew what will come out ..... these are proofs that both sides are suffered in Cyprus .....The Cyprus problem did not started as their saying .... Turkey invade the island and occupied 1/3 of the island .
and all our problems are after 74 .

It is started after 13 points forcement over TC's to except how they wanna get the control of the Cyprus . İt was the plan to break up equal partnership of the 2 sides .

want to talk about your plan for taksim sine the 50's halil or did that plan suddenly die in 1960? What were tc ministers doing with the circular from denktash and kutchuk? Why where they ready to depart from govt so easily?

As with all cases this has two different views and like most cases both of them are true. Some ministers were ready to depart from the goverment with the idea of Taksim in mind but the others who wanted to attend were excriminated and their right to attend were taken from their hands.Also even If the ones that wanted taksim were ready to depart it was the idea of Enosis and the actions that were well planned to lead to Enosis that gave them the chance and excuse to depart !!!

[DT.]

See Halil what kind of productive debate can be expected from a thread like this ?

Yes indeed Baris ,

i knew what will come out ..... these are proofs that both sides are suffered in Cyprus .....The Cyprus problem did not started as their saying .... Turkey invade the island and occupied 1/3 of the island .
and all our problems are after 74 .

It is started after 13 points forcement over TC's to except how they wanna get the control of the Cyprus . İt was the plan to break up equal partnership of the 2 sides .

want to talk about your plan for taksim sine the 50's halil or did that plan suddenly die in 1960? What were tc ministers doing with the circular from denktash and kutchuk? Why where they ready to depart from govt so easily?

As with all cases this has two different views and like most cases both of them are true. Some ministers were ready to depart from the goverment with the idea of Taksim in mind but the others who wanted to attend were excriminated and their right to attend were taken from their hands.Also even If the ones that wanted taksim were ready to depart it was the idea of Enosis and the actions that were well planned to lead to Enosis that gave them the chance and excuse to depart !!!

So the proposals were a ploy for enosis? That what you were saying?

Do you remember why the proposals were made? Do you remember how the tc ministers bankrupted the govt by refusing to vote for the tax bill until the unworkable municipality bill was enforced?

[YFred]

See Halil what kind of productive debate can be expected from a thread like this ?

Yes indeed Baris ,

i knew what will come out ..... these are proofs that both sides are suffered in Cyprus .....The Cyprus problem did not started as their saying .... Turkey invade the island and occupied 1/3 of the island .
and all our problems are after 74 .

It is started after 13 points forcement over TC's to except how they wanna get the control of the Cyprus . İt was the plan to break up equal partnership of the 2 sides .

want to talk about your plan for taksim sine the 50's halil or did that plan suddenly die in 1960? What were tc ministers doing with the circular from denktash and kutchuk? Why where they ready to depart from govt so easily?

As with all cases this has two different views and like most cases both of them are true. Some ministers were ready to depart from the goverment with the idea of Taksim in mind but the others who wanted to attend were excriminated and their right to attend were taken from their hands.Also even If the ones that wanted taksim were ready to depart it was the idea of Enosis and the actions that were well planned to lead to Enosis that gave them the chance and excuse to depart !!!

So the proposals were a ploy for enosis? That what you were saying?

Do you remember why the proposals were made? Do you remember how the tc ministers bankrupted the govt by refusing to vote for the tax bill until the unworkable municipality bill was enforced?

Considering I was 5 at the time, No. Since you guys have so much faith in the Law, was what they did illegal?