Viewpoint wrote:Piratis wrote:insan wrote:Piratis wrote:insan wrote:Get Real! wrote:insan wrote:As i told previously, u should have prayed that Turkish army hadn't launched a 3rd phase of intervention in order to ward off all those EOKA-B guerillas.
It's the Turkish Cypriots that had comitted these attrocities and many others in 1974.
And by the same token...YOU should pray that the National Guard doesn't turn Kyrenia into glass in the future with all this incriminating evidence being dug up all the time, and the treasonous games your foolish leaders STILL keep playing despite the fact that they can’t even afford to buy a new pair of knickers, let alone play "power games"!
I'm not trying to justify what some groups of TC extremists or idiots or lunatics did but most probably the 11 years lasted, "RoC" originated physical and psychologic oppression caused them to went berserk. How else could it be explained? Could a mentally healthy person commit such an atrocity?
Then I hope you can understand the psychological condition of the native Cypriot people after being oppressed and murdered by the 10s of thousands by foreign invaders for centuries.
If you think that because you suffered for a decade during a conflict which you started in 1958, that gives you the right to kill 1000s, ethnically cleanse 100s of thousands and steal our lands, then I hope you will give the same excuse, multiplied by 30, to the native Cypriots who suffered under your oppressive rule not for 10 but for 300 years.
So if one action can excuse a reaction, then who is to blame is the one who started it all. And that is the Turks, in 1571, when the attacked and oppressed Cypriots for centuries, without previously the Cypriots harming the Turks in any way.
I acknowledge ur rightousness to a degree. However we had really no other options. Either we would accept minority status and let ourselves into a darksome future in our homeland Cyprus or we would struggle to create ourselves a safe territory to survive by fair means or foul.
What you say does not excuse you initial attack and the first 300 years of oppression against us though. It really was not our fault that your minority was created on our island and that you could not accept that Cyprus could be ruled democratically.
Furthermore your survival was not under threat. I many times gave you the Turkish minority of Rhodes as an example. Rhodes united with Greece in 1947 and the Turkish minority was not annihilated as your imaginary scenarios would have as believe.
Just like Cyprus was under the Ottoman and later British empires, against the will of Cypriots and with Cypriots being the subjects of those empires, instead Cyprus would be part of the Greek Republic, and Cypriots equal citizens of the Greek Republic, something that the vast majority of Cypriots wanted. GCs, TCs and the other minorities would continue to live in Cyprus just like they did under British or Ottoman Empires. (without you having any Ottoman Style privileges on our expense of course)
So don't create baseless unrealistic scenarios in order to excuse your attacks against us.
Could you please supply population figures of Turks in both Rhodes and Crete after the became part of Greece.
The figures for Rhodes are given by your friend Insan. Around 4000 when Rhodes united with Greece in 1947, around 5000 today - a 20% increase in population. And that is without the addition of Turkish Settlers.
Compare that with your population after 1974. Many TCs emigrated abroad and many continue to do so. Today the real TCs in Cyprus are less than what they used to be in the 50s and 60s.
So if instead of war and conflict you had accepted that Cypriots could decide the destiny of their own island in a democratic and peaceful way, and Cyprus united with Greece just as Rhodes did, then not only you would not have been annihilated, but your population would be higher.
Crete was part of Greece during the 1923 Exchange of Populations Agreement between Greece and Turkey. During the exchange 500.000 Turks moved from Greece (including Crete) to Turkey, and three times more, 1.500.000 Greeks moved from Turkey to Greece.
Since then, the minority of Turks that remained in Greece kept increasing, while the minority of Greeks that remained in Turkey is almost totally annihilated.
The Turks and other Muslims of Western Thrace were exempted from this transfer as well as the Greeks of Istanbul and the Aegean Islands of Imbros (Gökçeada) and Tenedos (Bozcaada). Due to punitive measures carried out by the Republic of Turkey, such as the 1932 parliamentary law which barred Greek citizens in Turkey from a series of 30 trades and professions from tailor and carpenter to medicine, law, and real estate,[8] the Greek population of Istanbul began to decline, as evidenced by demographic statistics. The Varlık Vergisi capital gains tax imposed in 1942 on wealthy non-Muslims in Turkey also served to reduce the economic potential of ethnic Greek businesspeople in Turkey. Furthermore, violent incidents as the Istanbul Pogrom (1955) directed against the ethnic Greek community greatly accelerated emigration of Greeks, reducing the 200,000-strong Greek minority in 1924 to just over 5,000 in 2005.[9] By contrast the Muslim community of Greece has increased in size to over 100,000 since the signing of the Lausane Treaty, while Greece is also host to tens of thousands of Muslim immigrants.
Here is the ethnic distribution in 1911, before the exchange:
http://www.emersonkent.com/images/balka ... r_1911.jpg
