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[boomerang]

Don't you think Mr Bayarak posts the military funerals are enough?...has anyone questioned the valility...

we all know a few fascists from both sides recked it for everyone?..so why you questined this one in your post?

Purely to subtley highlight the perpetual vindictive GC hypocrisy that certain members spew out here

just a few posts about you excibited your disgusting behaviour and then you come out with this?...are yiou drunk punch by any chance?

Disgusting behaviour ?

You are very quick to jump the gun.

Please refresh my memory.

because you disputed the murders...and then you tried to come out like a dove...short memory or playing stupid gabira...you tell me

[Gabira]

I didn't dispute any murders. I simply raised some questions for discussion in relation to the murders. You got your guard up very quickly without keeping an open mind because you already have your mind set to what you 'need' to believe for your greater agenda. Again jumping the gun perhaps looking for chocolate cookie from your mentors.

[boomerang]

I didn't dispute any murders. I simply raised some questions for discussion in relation to the murders. You got your guard up very quickly without keeping an open mind because you already have your mind set to you need to belive for your greater agenda. Again jumping the gun perhaps looking for chocolate cookie from your mentors.

What open mind...you doing an insane on me or what?...

I did the same with the bath tub murders and you did the same...why is it different for you and not for me?

How come your mind was shut on this one...

I further asked you to put up the testimony...well?...where is it?..or is your mind closed on this one?...blink blink...

[Ierini-Baris]

If you ask me if gabiras dad did this instead of this the world would have been a happier place

How clever do you respect yourself much more after this post...I beileve so...Well done you have shown all the bits of your IQ level in this post

You just sunk yourself, because you took it out of context...see a few posts above this one and get back to me...or 2 aspros and call me in the morning...

I have spent 30min of my life reading the stupid debates in the thread...Thread itself was not neccessary..I do not read 99% of the threads Halil is authoring because they are almost copies of each other with no point other than causing more hatred...But this post that you have posted is so childish and stupid...the post 2-3 posts above was also childish but you brought to a new level...

[boomerang]

If you ask me if gabiras dad did this instead of this the world would have been a happier place

How clever do you respect yourself much more after this post...I beileve so...Well done you have shown all the bits of your IQ level in this post

You just sunk yourself, because you took it out of context...see a few posts above this one and get back to me...or 2 aspros and call me in the morning...

I have spent 30min of my life reading the stupid debates in the thread...Thread itself was not neccessary..I do not read 99% of the threads Halil is authoring because they are almost copies of each other with no point other than causing more hatred...But this post that you have posted is so childish and stupid...the post 2-3 posts above was also childish but you brought to a new level...

an opinion is like an asshole...everyone has one...

Mr Bayarak gets paid to post...this is the differnce that you fail to see...he shits with someone elses asshole...

[Gabira]

What open mind...you doing an insane on me or what?...

Hmmm ... interesting observation there ...

I did the same with the bath tub murders and you did the same...why is it different for you and not for me?

Talk about short memory ... I think you are little confused or deliberately trying to create confusion.

Suddenly we now want to talk about 'why is it different for you and not for me'. This has been my point throughout my comments in this thread. I'm glad that you now can recognize your own hypocrisy, approach and attitude towards TC 's.

How come your mind was shut on this one...I further asked you to put up the testimony...well?...where is it?..or is your mind closed on this one?...blink blink...

Again I repeat "Since it's you who questions the validity of who the murderers were in this incident which you raised, you make it your mission to disprove who the alleged muderers were."

I have not openly claimed anything in relation to the bath tub murders. Clever distraction tactic Boom Boom. I simply don't want to be drawn into a seperate discussion within another discussion at this point in time. Take it how you like

[Ierini-Baris]

If you ask me if gabiras dad did this instead of this the world would have been a happier place

How clever do you respect yourself much more after this post...I beileve so...Well done you have shown all the bits of your IQ level in this post

You just sunk yourself, because you took it out of context...see a few posts above this one and get back to me...or 2 aspros and call me in the morning...

I have spent 30min of my life reading the stupid debates in the thread...Thread itself was not neccessary..I do not read 99% of the threads Halil is authoring because they are almost copies of each other with no point other than causing more hatred...But this post that you have posted is so childish and stupid...the post 2-3 posts above was also childish but you brought to a new level...

an opinion is like an asshole...everyone has one...

Mr Bayarak gets paid to post...this is the differnce that you fail to see...he shits with someone elses asshole...

I had to spend 5 more minutes to find the latest of these kind of topic posted by halil and replied in the same manner..so you owe me 5min

[Oracle]

Well summed up VP, until all culprits are acknowledge and brought to justice so the real truths can be exposed, these stories will be highly emotive. Unfortunately, until the truths are exposed, stories like this will continue to be misused based on 'benefit of doubt'.

The real agenda behind this posting like every other post from the same vindictive GC circle here is certainly not of any good faith.

Makes me think that with the passion that you are defnding these animals...maybe you're related to one of them.

DT, I don't believe I am defending the animals who committed these atrocities. I hope that these animals are exposed to the World and are brought to justice ... who ever they may be.

I feel the same disappointment as you do now every time TC victims are 'swept under the carpet' by the same vindictive GC circle on this forum.

I could post many personal witness accounts of my own sufferings in Cyprus too, but what will this achieve ? The bipolar likes of GR/Oracle & Co would only attempt to discredit or ridicule my experiences because I wouldn't be able to produce a credible link to my personal accounts.

There is a wealth of difference between the "mysterious", unwitnessed accounts which some TCs post, and then immediately point the finger at the RoC or their supporters ... without an ounce of evidence being presented.

Yes there is a lot of difference between those, and what is posted here, with supporting eye-witness accounts, which you choose to label as lies.

Well where is your evidence that the eye-witness was lying? Is it enough that it's because you just say so? ... Go on Gabira, keep filling in the gaps with your crap .... Never has a statement been more apt, in describing what you do ! So, thanks for reminding everyone by adopting it as your signature!

[Gabira]

I have spent 30min of my life reading the stupid debates in the thread...

Thread itself was not neccessary..

Thus, the appraoch and responses I gave to this thread.

Typical GR strategy to stir peoples emotions to provoke, promote and keep the flames of hatred burning for the forums sake and the greater Greek vision for Cyprus.

...But this post that you have posted is so childish and stupid...the post 2-3 posts above was also childish but you brought to a new level...

Get used to it Ierini-Baris, Booms is notorious for verbal abuse towards others members whom challenge him.

[Piratis]

As i told previously, u should have prayed that Turkish army hadn't launched a 3rd phase of intervention in order to ward off all those EOKA-B guerillas.

It's the Turkish Cypriots that had comitted these attrocities and many others in 1974.

And by the same token...YOU should pray that the National Guard doesn't turn Kyrenia into glass in the future with all this incriminating evidence being dug up all the time, and the treasonous games your foolish leaders STILL keep playing despite the fact that they can’t even afford to buy a new pair of knickers, let alone play "power games"!

I'm not trying to justify what some groups of TC extremists or idiots or lunatics did but most probably the 11 years lasted, "RoC" originated physical and psychologic oppression caused them to went berserk. How else could it be explained? Could a mentally healthy person commit such an atrocity?

Then I hope you can understand the psychological condition of the native Cypriot people after being oppressed and murdered by the 10s of thousands by foreign invaders for centuries.

If you think that because you suffered for a decade during a conflict which you started in 1958, that gives you the right to kill 1000s, ethnically cleanse 100s of thousands and steal our lands, then I hope you will give the same excuse, multiplied by 30, to the native Cypriots who suffered under your oppressive rule not for 10 but for 300 years.

So if one action can excuse a reaction, then who is to blame is the one who started it all. And that is the Turks, in 1571, when the attacked and oppressed Cypriots for centuries, without previously the Cypriots harming the Turks in any way.

I acknowledge ur rightousness to a degree. However we had really no other options. Either we would accept minority status and let ourselves into a darksome future in our homeland Cyprus or we would struggle to create ourselves a safe territory to survive by fair means or foul.

What you say does not excuse you initial attack and the first 300 years of oppression against us though. It really was not our fault that your minority was created on our island and that you could not accept that Cyprus could be ruled democratically.

Furthermore your survival was not under threat. I many times gave you the Turkish minority of Rhodes as an example. Rhodes united with Greece in 1947 and the Turkish minority was not annihilated as your imaginary scenarios would have as believe.

Just like Cyprus was under the Ottoman and later British empires, against the will of Cypriots and with Cypriots being the subjects of those empires, instead Cyprus would be part of the Greek Republic, and Cypriots equal citizens of the Greek Republic, something that the vast majority of Cypriots wanted. GCs, TCs and the other minorities would continue to live in Cyprus just like they did under British or Ottoman Empires. (without you having any Ottoman Style privileges on our expense of course)

So don't create baseless unrealistic scenarios in order to excuse your attacks against us.

Rhodes estiamtedly had 11.000 Turkish population under Ottoman rule. During Italian rule decreased to 4000 and under Greek rule further decreased to 1.400. Today 5000 Turks exist in Rhodes. The disputed between Greeks and Turks badly affected their human rights untill recent years.

OSCE
Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights
OSCE Supplementary Human Dimension Meeting on Freedom of Religion

Vienna, 22 March 1999


By Mr N. Hasanoglu and Dr Z. Emin
Federation of Western Thrace Turks in Europe



Before going any further we would like to point out an important fact: the fact that ourselves and the community we represent being very lawful citizens of an European Union country, i.e. Greece. Although the human rights violations faced by the Turkish Minority are enormous we will mainly focus on the freedom of religion issue as the name of this meeting suggests.

http://www.greekhelsinki.gr/english/rep ... tions.html

Greece invaded Turkey, "to save the Greeks from Turkish oppression" just after the First World War, at the instigation of English Imperialism. The result was opposite of what was hoped for by the Greek bourgeoisie. Turks threw almost all the Greeks out of Turkey. Wars, genocides, migrations. Nay more, even after the exchange of populations a large Turkish minority remained in Greece, while the Turkish bourgeoisie expelled the only big Greek population that was left in Turkey, making use of the Cyprus Problem, in 1956. This way, the Turks "solved" their Greek problem in a typically Turkish way. So they thought, for Greek imperialism has not given up the idea of regaining Greek lands from the eastern Black Sea costs to the southern Aegean, and transforming Istanbul, Constantinople, into her Capital city. Greek imperialism will not give up this megalomania. In other words, Turkish bourgeoisie has not been able to solve her Greek problem. The Greek bourgeoisie have "cleared" the Turks from Rhodes-they killed them all, in a typically Greek (Balkan) style. She is doing her best to force the Turkish peasants in Greece to leave their lands. They tried to use the methods used in Rhodes to "clear" the Turks from Cyprus. All to no avail. Turks are still around, standing their ground. That is not all. Turkish imperialism has designs in the Aegean. In other words, the Greek bourgeoisie could not finish with their Turkish problem even if they got rid of their Turkish minorities in Greece and Cyprus, just as the Turkish bourgeoisie has not been able to end their Greek problem by murdering and expelling the Greek minority in Turkey.

http://www.kibristasosyalistgercek.net/ ... estion.htm

You keep shooting yourself insan. At one point you say that after Rhodes became part of Greece the Turkish minority was reduced to 1400, and then you give another source that says that all of them were killed. Can you at least stick to one lie? 1400 left, or all killed? Which one?

And then when you decide with which of your lies you will go, also tell me how today there are 5000 Turks in Rhodes. Did they appear out of noting, or they have a 350% increase in population within 60 years?

As you said when Rhodes united with Greece 4000 Turks were on the island. Today there are 5000. So not only they survived, not only they were not annihilated, but they had an increase of their population by over 20% within 60 years.