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[Oracle]

Either we would accept minority status and let ourselves into a darksome future in our homeland Cyprus or we would struggle to create ourselves a safe territory to survive by fair means or foul.

That is the same rhetoric any invader intent on colonising others' territory would be thinking. It was only conquering territory that you had in mind all along, since you had already made your minds up, "minority status" was not to your liking.

[insan]

As i told previously, u should have prayed that Turkish army hadn't launched a 3rd phase of intervention in order to ward off all those EOKA-B guerillas.

It's the Turkish Cypriots that had comitted these attrocities and many others in 1974.

And by the same token...YOU should pray that the National Guard doesn't turn Kyrenia into glass in the future with all this incriminating evidence being dug up all the time, and the treasonous games your foolish leaders STILL keep playing despite the fact that they can’t even afford to buy a new pair of knickers, let alone play "power games"!

I'm not trying to justify what some groups of TC extremists or idiots or lunatics did but most probably the 11 years lasted, "RoC" originated physical and psychologic oppression caused them to went berserk. How else could it be explained? Could a mentally healthy person commit such an atrocity?

Then I hope you can understand the psychological condition of the native Cypriot people after being oppressed and murdered by the 10s of thousands by foreign invaders for centuries.

If you think that because you suffered for a decade during a conflict which you started in 1958, that gives you the right to kill 1000s, ethnically cleanse 100s of thousands and steal our lands, then I hope you will give the same excuse, multiplied by 30, to the native Cypriots who suffered under your oppressive rule not for 10 but for 300 years.

So if one action can excuse a reaction, then who is to blame is the one who started it all. And that is the Turks, in 1571, when the attacked and oppressed Cypriots for centuries, without previously the Cypriots harming the Turks in any way.

I acknowledge ur rightousness to a degree. However we had really no other options. Either we would accept minority status and let ourselves into a darksome future in our homeland Cyprus or we would struggle to create ourselves a safe territory to survive by fair means or foul.

What you say does not excuse you initial attack and the first 300 years of oppression against us though. It really was not our fault that your minority was created on our island and that you could not accept that Cyprus could be ruled democratically.

Furthermore your survival was not under threat. I many times gave you the Turkish minority of Rhodes as an example. Rhodes united with Greece in 1947 and the Turkish minority was not annihilated as your imaginary scenarios would have as believe.

Just like Cyprus was under the Ottoman and later British empires, against the will of Cypriots and with Cypriots being the subjects of those empires, instead Cyprus would be part of the Greek Republic, and Cypriots equal citizens of the Greek Republic, something that the vast majority of Cypriots wanted. GCs, TCs and the other minorities would continue to live in Cyprus just like they did under British or Ottoman Empires. (without you having any Ottoman Style privileges on our expense of course)

So don't create baseless unrealistic scenarios in order to excuse your attacks against us.

Rhodes estiamtedly had 11.000 Turkish population under Ottoman rule. During Italian rule decreased to 4000 and under Greek rule further decreased to 1.400. Today 5000 Turks exist in Rhodes. The disputed between Greeks and Turks badly affected their human rights untill recent years.

OSCE
Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights
OSCE Supplementary Human Dimension Meeting on Freedom of Religion

Vienna, 22 March 1999


By Mr N. Hasanoglu and Dr Z. Emin
Federation of Western Thrace Turks in Europe



Before going any further we would like to point out an important fact: the fact that ourselves and the community we represent being very lawful citizens of an European Union country, i.e. Greece. Although the human rights violations faced by the Turkish Minority are enormous we will mainly focus on the freedom of religion issue as the name of this meeting suggests.

http://www.greekhelsinki.gr/english/rep ... tions.html

Greece invaded Turkey, "to save the Greeks from Turkish oppression" just after the First World War, at the instigation of English Imperialism. The result was opposite of what was hoped for by the Greek bourgeoisie. Turks threw almost all the Greeks out of Turkey. Wars, genocides, migrations. Nay more, even after the exchange of populations a large Turkish minority remained in Greece, while the Turkish bourgeoisie expelled the only big Greek population that was left in Turkey, making use of the Cyprus Problem, in 1956. This way, the Turks "solved" their Greek problem in a typically Turkish way. So they thought, for Greek imperialism has not given up the idea of regaining Greek lands from the eastern Black Sea costs to the southern Aegean, and transforming Istanbul, Constantinople, into her Capital city. Greek imperialism will not give up this megalomania. In other words, Turkish bourgeoisie has not been able to solve her Greek problem. The Greek bourgeoisie have "cleared" the Turks from Rhodes-they killed them all, in a typically Greek (Balkan) style. She is doing her best to force the Turkish peasants in Greece to leave their lands. They tried to use the methods used in Rhodes to "clear" the Turks from Cyprus. All to no avail. Turks are still around, standing their ground. That is not all. Turkish imperialism has designs in the Aegean. In other words, the Greek bourgeoisie could not finish with their Turkish problem even if they got rid of their Turkish minorities in Greece and Cyprus, just as the Turkish bourgeoisie has not been able to end their Greek problem by murdering and expelling the Greek minority in Turkey.

http://www.kibristasosyalistgercek.net/ ... estion.htm

[DT.]

22 inncocens placed in front of the firing squad. The youngest being 2 years old and we're talking about the understandable phsycological state of the executioners?

When things like this are posted for your information Insan, you read it...you digest it...you bow your head and curse the killers....then you try to move on with the knowledge.

You do this no matter what community the killers blonged to.

You don't try to excuse the pshycological reasons of these son's of bitches when they were executing children with a phrase "most probably the 11 years lasted, "RoC" originated physical and psychologic oppression caused them to went berserk."

Here's hoping they experience a slow painful death.

[Gabira]

Are these allegations true because Petros said so and Makarious made a story out of it ?

How does he know they were TC's ?

How do we know they weren't GC fanatics who slaughtered them ?

Without meaning to disrespect the dead, these are similar issues raised by GC's when stories from TC families in the same predicament are published.

[Nikitas]

Gabira you are being totally stupid and you know it. The people who did the killing are known, they were a bunch of teenagers from the area. The Turkish captain who came on the scene wanted to arrest them, but the local TMT heroes prevailed and they were left alone. Read your own journalists on the case in point.

And as for the other posts about the 11 year oppression from 1963 to 1974, that will not wash. By 1968 TCs had full freedom of the island, and many worked in GC companies and farms. The no go areas existed only for GCs who would not be allowed to enter TC held areas. Some of us know because we witnessed this, we do not talk from what we were told but what we experienced.

[paliometoxo]

tmt heroes?

[Gabira]

Some of us know because we witnessed this, we do not talk from what we were told but what we experienced.

That's exactly my point Nikitas, when a TC speaks from their own witness accounts and experiences, most GC's here immediately write it off as having no credit. When a GC 'speaks' from their own 'witness' accounts of their sufferings, the usual GC mob here are quick to carry on with these stories without any scrutiny. The hypocrisy of it all

[DT.]

Some of us know because we witnessed this, we do not talk from what we were told but what we experienced.

That's exactly my point Nikitas, when a TC speaks from their own witness accounts and experiences, most GC's here immediately write it off as having no credit. When a GC 'speaks' from their own 'witness' accounts of their sufferings, the usual GC mob here are quick to carry on with these stories without any scrutiny. The hypocrisy of it all

Whats sad is that we buried these people here yesturday and today politis tells us about the 17 GC civilians (one soldier) who are buried at the bottom of a well in St Hllarion castle. I'll post the story under a new thread.

Where's Halil?

[iceman]

First of all as a human being and secondly as a Cypriot i feel ashamed to read horrifying stories such as this.
Unfortunately i do not feel as forgiving as Petros Souppouris or Hussein Akansoy and strongly believe the perpetrators of such atrocities should be punished on both sides..

[DT.]

First of all as a human being and secondly as a Cypriot i feel ashamed to read horrifying stories such as this.
Unfortunately i do not feel as forgiving as Petros Souppouris or Hussein Akansoy and strongly believe the perpetrators of such atrocities should be punished on both sides..

How the hell can anyone have a different opinion than this???

Why is this thread a debate?