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400 pages of CIA report regarding Cyprus 1973-76

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Re: 400 pages of CIA report regarding Cyprus 1973-76

Postby denizaksulu » Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:24 pm

insan wrote:All the intimate details and the unknown aspects of 1973-1976 era shed a great light on what was happening during those years. A must read! This report destroys all GC and Hellenic propaganda over Cyprus Problem.
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/96606.pdf

CYPRUS—AN OLD PROBLEM
Summary
The conflict between the Greek and Turkish communities on Cyprus
has had repercussions far beyond the island. Greece and Turkey have
twice threatened war to protect the interests of their communities on the
island. The US and UK have been caught up in the island’s problems,
the Soviets have occasionally tried to take advantage of the situation,
and a UN peacekeeping force has been on the island for almost a decade,
keeping the lid on deep-seated intercommunal antagonism.
Cypriot intercommunal problems continue to elude a satisfactory
solution. Animosity between the two communities is deeply rooted in
the island’s history, and independence in 1960 did not help. Major hostilities
erupted in 1963 and again in 1967, and passions continue to
smolder. Though talks between the communities have helped to keep
the level of violence down, they have made little progress toward basic
solutions—despite the addition of “advisers” from Greece and
Turkey, as well as a UN observer. The talks remain deadlocked; the
Greek Cypriots will accept nothing less than majority rule, and the
Turkish Cypriots demand greater participation in the administration
of the island than their 20-percent minority would seem to justify.
Total political supremacy on the island is a basic goal of President
Archbishop Makarios. A shrewd political maneuverer, his tactics have
at times created misunderstanding and mistrust in both communities.
Makarios clings to the conviction that he was hoodwinked into accepting
the original terms for independence, which included a protective
veto for the Turks; he is dedicated to expanding the already dominant
Greek Cypriot position on the island.
Cyprus has been relatively quiet since 1968, but trouble has been
brewing since late last year. This time the threat lies within the Greek
Cypriot community. George Grivas, a leader of the fight for independence,
secretly returned to the island late in August 1971. The aging
guerrilla leader has always been a fierce champion of enosis—union
of Cyprus with Greece—and he is now a bitter foe of Makarios, who
favors enosis in theory but not in practice. Grivas has carried out a
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1 Source: Central Intelligence Agency, Office of Current Intelligence, Job 79–T00861A,
Box 22, Folder 14. Secret; No Foreign Dissem.
series of terrorist acts against the Makarios government, and there is a
danger that violence could eventually spill over into the Turkish
Cypriot community.
This working paper defines the major issues, identifies the principal
players, and provides some historical background of a complex
problem that promises to be with us for a long time.



This was posted last year. Very interesting. It shows how much the Yanks can be trusted.
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Postby insan » Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:34 pm

wyoming cowboy wrote:
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wyoming cowboy wrote:well just by reading the article aprubove it clearly shows that Turkey had no right of intervention in Cyprus for Makarios had no interest in union with Greece, and if he received 95 percent of the vote it clearly shows that the vast majority of Greek cyps did not aspire towards enosis, therefore Turkey's claims that enosis was eminent are rediculous


Just for ur information. Makarios was withdrawn and escaped outside of Cyprus. On the other hand report states that the ultimate aim of Makarios was Enosis but not under 1974's circumstances.

Do u think the aim of fierce Turk hater, fascist Sampson was to bring peace and a just solution to Cyprus?
Sampson was only a figurehead he had the support of roughly 3 percent of the population of cyprus, the rest of the greek cyp population were fighting him out of power, he was a joke. With the cypriot population being so left wing as a whole his reign of power was minimal. Again Turkey's excuse with backing from the USA and NATO to invade and occupy is the criminal in this situation


If u answer my questions under the thred Iakovu V. Kissinger. I will believe u. However I am sure that u have already made up ur minds to put all the blame on Brits, US and Turkey. Everything U did was right; everything Turkey did was just excuse to "invade" Cyprus. Unfortunately a basket case.
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Postby shahmaran » Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:57 pm

Jerry wrote:Of course he real problem rests within Greko-Turco relations, the Turks do not keep their word, have you never heard of the Treaty of Serves?


What is your point?

Do you know anything about that treaty?

If you did, you wouldn't be acting so surprised that it was abolished shortly after.

Britain, France, Armenia and Greece had literally divided the island by gunpoint and the people who were sitting on the other side of the table were the incompetent idiot Ottomans rulers who totally screwed the people and the country in the first place.

Not Turks!

That's not a "word" that's pure blackmail which was accepted by a bunch of selfish morons in the name of the Turks, which thankfully all went totally pear shaped once Atatürk came in the picture.

The total destruction of that embarrassing treaty is something to be proud of, nothing less.
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Postby Jerry » Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:43 pm

U don't even worth a reply Turk hater staphilynoidea. Crap is ur brain that is not even aware of the roots of the problem. The struggle for Enosis began in 1821. Was it initiated because of the majority of population was Greek. No. The then motives behind Enosis was "Megali Idea". Even today there r some political groups still running after "Megali Idea" and these political groups r particularly organized among diaspora Greeks
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If I "don't even worth a reply Turk hater staphilynoidea" so why do you bother.

Once again you make a false assumption, I am not a Turk hater. I hate what Turkey, the Turkish government and its armed forces have done to Cyprus, I do not hate individual Turks.

Idiots like you live in the past. Both sides have issues with each other, both have sinned and been sinned against, the difference today is that too many Turks and Turkish Cypriots wish to wish to perpetuate the sins of history by hanging onto their illegal gains and yet expect the world to feel sorry for them.
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Postby shahmaran » Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:48 pm

Jerry wrote:
U don't even worth a reply Turk hater staphilynoidea. Crap is ur brain that is not even aware of the roots of the problem. The struggle for Enosis began in 1821. Was it initiated because of the majority of population was Greek. No. The then motives behind Enosis was "Megali Idea". Even today there r some political groups still running after "Megali Idea" and these political groups r particularly organized among diaspora Greeks
.

If I "don't even worth a reply Turk hater staphilynoidea" so why do you bother.

Once again you make a false assumption, I am not a Turk hater. I hate what Turkey, the Turkish government and its armed forces have done to Cyprus, I do not hate individual Turks.

Idiots like you live in the past. Both sides have issues with each other, both have sinned and been sinned against, the difference today is that too many Turks and Turkish Cypriots wish to wish to perpetuate the sins of history by hanging onto their illegal gains and yet expect the world to feel sorry for them.


We need no ones pity.

On the contrary it is you who is whining about your "lands" and "homes" and crying for human rights.

Not that it is a genuine cry but just a petty excuse to finish off what you started not long ago.
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Postby halil » Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:56 pm

People are keep saying that during the coup that there was no danger for TC's ..... below writing is taken out from the UNICYP web sides. It says very clear that in 15 july there was a gun fire towards the Turkish sector of the Nicosia ! UN claims that we were well protected .... I hope they were right !

On 15 July, as soon as the coup d'état was reported, UNFICYP was brought to a high state of readiness. Additional liaison officers were deployed at all levels, and increased observation was maintained throughout the island in all areas of likely intercommunal confrontation. Special measures were taken to ensure the security of the Turkish Cypriot community. A few cases of firing into the Turkish enclave north of Nicosia were reported; the firing was stopped through liaison with the National Guard.

http://www.unficyp.org/nqcontent.cfm?a_ ... ic&lang=l1
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Postby Jerry » Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:59 pm

shahmaran wrote:
Jerry wrote:Of course he real problem rests within Greko-Turco relations, the Turks do not keep their word, have you never heard of the Treaty of Serves?


What is your point?

Do you know anything about that treaty?

If you did, you wouldn't be acting so surprised that it was abolished shortly after.

Britain, France, Armenia and Greece had literally divided the island by gunpoint and the people who were sitting on the other side of the table were the incompetent idiot Ottomans rulers who totally screwed the people and the country in the first place.

Not Turks!

That's not a "word" that's pure blackmail which was accepted by a bunch of selfish morons in the name of the Turks, which thankfully all went totally pear shaped once Atatürk came in the picture.

The total destruction of that embarrassing treaty is something to be proud of, nothing less.


You obviously don't know the difference between "abolished" and non-ratification.
The defeated Ottomans, who were the legal government at the time, agreed to the treaty (which incidently provided for both Armenian and Kurdish States, where are they?) but Ataturk, by force of arms, rejected it and formed the state we see today. Defeated nations usually are "blackmailed" by the victors, ask Adolf Hitler.

If Turkey, as a nation, is proud of not keeping its word then it does not deserve to join the EU or be recognised as civilised.
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Postby Jerry » Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:02 pm

shahmaran wrote:
Jerry wrote:
U don't even worth a reply Turk hater staphilynoidea. Crap is ur brain that is not even aware of the roots of the problem. The struggle for Enosis began in 1821. Was it initiated because of the majority of population was Greek. No. The then motives behind Enosis was "Megali Idea". Even today there r some political groups still running after "Megali Idea" and these political groups r particularly organized among diaspora Greeks
.

If I "don't even worth a reply Turk hater staphilynoidea" so why do you bother.

Once again you make a false assumption, I am not a Turk hater. I hate what Turkey, the Turkish government and its armed forces have done to Cyprus, I do not hate individual Turks.

Idiots like you live in the past. Both sides have issues with each other, both have sinned and been sinned against, the difference today is that too many Turks and Turkish Cypriots wish to wish to perpetuate the sins of history by hanging onto their illegal gains and yet expect the world to feel sorry for them.


We need no ones pity.

On the contrary it is you who is whining about your "lands" and "homes" and crying for human rights.

Not that it is a genuine cry but just a petty excuse to finish off what you started not long ago.


Look, I know Insane's English isn't too good but you should allow her/him to respond, don't hog the whole thread.
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Postby insan » Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:25 pm

Jerry wrote:
U don't even worth a reply Turk hater staphilynoidea. Crap is ur brain that is not even aware of the roots of the problem. The struggle for Enosis began in 1821. Was it initiated because of the majority of population was Greek. No. The then motives behind Enosis was "Megali Idea". Even today there r some political groups still running after "Megali Idea" and these political groups r particularly organized among diaspora Greeks
.

If I "don't even worth a reply Turk hater staphilynoidea" so why do you bother.

Once again you make a false assumption, I am not a Turk hater. I hate what Turkey, the Turkish government and its armed forces have done to Cyprus, I do not hate individual Turks.

Idiots like you live in the past. Both sides have issues with each other, both have sinned and been sinned against, the difference today is that too many Turks and Turkish Cypriots wish to wish to perpetuate the sins of history by hanging onto their illegal gains and yet expect the world to feel sorry for them.


Look idiot retard! It's u that making false assumption. Talking or discussing something abt that happened in the past; does not mean that person lives in the past. If it means something like that; then when that person talks or discuss something abt future, u would have to make another false assumption that the person lives in the future. R u aware of how ridiculous u r. The problem for me is self determination right of GCs VS self determination right of TCs. Got it? Since there's no homogenous single people in Cyprus and when the problem initiated the TC population of Cyprus was 1/3 of total population; the Cyprus problem has to be solved on the axis of either the common consociational self-determination right of 2 communities or 2 seperate states. Hope u get it, calmly; the ultimate truth and knowledge center Jerry the staphilynoidea.
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Postby Jerry » Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:32 pm

insan wrote:
Jerry wrote:
U don't even worth a reply Turk hater staphilynoidea. Crap is ur brain that is not even aware of the roots of the problem. The struggle for Enosis began in 1821. Was it initiated because of the majority of population was Greek. No. The then motives behind Enosis was "Megali Idea". Even today there r some political groups still running after "Megali Idea" and these political groups r particularly organized among diaspora Greeks
.

If I "don't even worth a reply Turk hater staphilynoidea" so why do you bother.

Once again you make a false assumption, I am not a Turk hater. I hate what Turkey, the Turkish government and its armed forces have done to Cyprus, I do not hate individual Turks.

Idiots like you live in the past. Both sides have issues with each other, both have sinned and been sinned against, the difference today is that too many Turks and Turkish Cypriots wish to wish to perpetuate the sins of history by hanging onto their illegal gains and yet expect the world to feel sorry for them.


Look idiot retard! It's u that making false assumption. Talking or discussing something happened in the past; does not mean that person lives in the past. If it means something like that; then when that person talks or discuss something abt future, u would have to make another false assumption that the person lives in the future. R u aware of how ridiculous u r. The problem for me is self determination right of GCs VS self determination right of TCs. Got it? Since there's no homogenous single people in Cyprus and when the problem initiated the TC population of Cyprus was 1/3 of total population; the Cyprus problem has to be solved on the axis of either the common consociational self-determination right of 2 communities or 2 seperate states. Hope u get it, calmly; the ultimate truth and knowledge center Jerry the staphilynoidea.


Sorry, I'm having difficulty understanding what you are trying to say. Perhaps you should post it in your native tongue and ask someone to translate.

BTW, I do appreciate the fact that you have bothered to reply.
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