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[EPSILON]

They made 2 invasions against our island. After every invasion they occupy our homeland and bring their settlers and give to them our land. They are trying to take our island from us.

You all should become stand-up comedians. If your little island meant so much to you then why the desperation to gift it to Greece?

For the simple reason we wanted to. Who are you to ask you what we want?

Above of course when we were part of inslaved Helenism. Now, do not worry, we are free Indians!!!

[YFred]

Now getting back to the thread. I don't see any hatred towards the Greeks, but I do see plenty of Greeks hatred towards Turks.

Despite your powers of observation being on a par with a mole and therefore unworthy of a reply, and your uncouth sexist remarks, which unlike racism, do have a genetic basis, thus merely insulting your gender by your constant use of demeaning labels; see if you can offer a meaningful explanation as to why Turks ethnically segregate "Greeks" away from their own "precious" people, if they did not hate them? Are you suggesting they are protecting the Greeks they love so much by keeping murderous Turks away from them?

You have your babadobillos to thank for that. He didn't even bring it up in the negotiations. He could have united the greeks of karpaz. He chose not to.

Sexist I am not. Against racism, allways. You will not be spared just because you are a female racist.

[shahmaran]

BTW I don't hijack genetics to excuse "racism". That is what you do! I want to debunk the unsustainable ideology that you can categorize people into different races. I have never seen reliable data which proves there is more than ONE race.

So again, Turkey has no excuses to fall back on for its behaviour. It has the same genetics as everybody else (although they would like to believe they are a superior race, a belief acquired from Kemal). It is a matter of WILL and conscience, not genetics, which determines how people behave. It is something alterable if the other Human "qualities" (selfishness) can be kept in check.

This and the one above is absolute nonsense.

You clearly know nothing of Kemal as there is nothing about him that could even hint the existence of such belief.

The guy was all about independence, modernization, secularism and world peace.

The man hoped that Turkey would pull itself out of the dark Ottoman ages and become a modern nation, unlike some other nations who DO believe that they are superior and are insisting on ruling the world.

Unfortunately for him the Europeans and the Americans have turned the world into too much of a shit hole for such idealism to ever find the space to develop, plus the brain cancer called Islam is just eating away Turkey from the inside.

Anyways, racism does not have to be about genetics, it is about singling out a group of people in any given way.

You refer to us as Turks and blame us all for the conflict which you are just as guilty of.

The moment you single us out and label us along with the other 70 million and call us thieves and murderers you are a racist.

End of!

Plus I have not once made any comments about genes, it is indeed you who keeps bringing up genetics and Turks and how they follow a "parasitic" way of life, which is absolute crap because if we pursue parasitic lives than the Imperialist nations are the kings of parasites, Greeks included!

This is what I mean by racist!

You act as if the Turks are some other species that don't fit in well with the rest of the world because either this is your stupid way of arguing your unjust position in Cyprus or you truly know nothing of human history to see that the Turks are no different than anyone else regarding building empires and they fit in perfectly well within the horribly bloody history of man kind, you included!!

Don't forget the days where the Greek army was burning and destroying its way out of Turkey, and do not forget the days where the GC's were shooting down villagers into mass graves.

Where was the "consciousness" and "selfishness check" back then?

You should acknowledge your own crimes and criticise your own behaviours first, or your arguments become nothing but blind and worthless attacks.

[shahmaran]

YFred, lets not act all victim here, seriously. Lets move on to the next stages of peace in Cyprus without getting caught up on junk. I'm not looking to politically contribute, because thats all franks and beans to me. Theres no way for negotiating something the Turks never had, so back to stalemate. Mate.

Actually, historically speaking, we are negotiating for something that YOU never had, and you still don't.

You are simply making a lot of noise about "owning" it, that's all.

There is a huge difference.

[EPSILON]

Kemal "The man hoped that Turkey would pull itself out of the dark Ottoman ages and become a modern nation, unlike some other nations who DO believe that they are superior and are insisting on ruling the world. "

and therefore he organized several genosides and created a modern nation....where , until recently,somehow even now, everybody who is not feeling Turk is free to say it.....

[Oracle]

Explain the here and now. The only one witness-able fact. That Turkey is occupying Cyprus and keeping GCs away from their homes.

Explain that as part of you ideology or whatever you believe justifies conducting what can be perceived as a racist agenda; which is to segregate on ethnicity.

Why do you insist you are not racist, when what you do proves you are (by your own definition).

What is it about you that excuses real acts of racism, whilst blaming others who object to this behaviour, as racists?

There is a profound and fundamental flaw in your thinking ....

[shahmaran]

Kemal "The man hoped that Turkey would pull itself out of the dark Ottoman ages and become a modern nation, unlike some other nations who DO believe that they are superior and are insisting on ruling the world. "

and therefore he organized several genosides and created a modern nation....where , until recently,somehow even now, everybody who is not feeling Turk is free to say it.....

Great argument there Epsilon.

Next time you should clean it a bit after you pulling it out of your arse so its less obvious.

[EPSILON]

Shahmaran, allow me to remind you that Kemal was human politician, even clever one, everybody should be in position (if they want) to critisize him. Do not mixed up human with God. Several Turks, in mainland Turkey, do this, and this is a problem in our century.

[shahmaran]

Explain the here and now. The only one witness-able fact. That Turkey is occupying Cyprus and keeping GCs away from their homes.

Explain that as part of you ideology or whatever you believe justifies conducting what can be perceived as a racist agenda; which is to segregate on ethnicity.

Why do you insist you are not racist, when what you do proves you are (by your own definition).

What is it about you that excuses real acts of racism, whilst blaming others who object to this behaviour, as racists?

There is a profound and fundamental flaw in your thinking ....

One could say the same for you yet I do sincerely believe that you do know better and purposefully choose this path because you can not hold the position you hold within your arguments, if you had to include the facts that you are just as guilty in these events.

This is indeed a LOT more sinister, because one might be brainwashed into thinking that Turks are the sole problem on this island and it was all their doings, the evil Turks etc.

Kind of like Sotos.

These people are blind and just repeat like parrots, they do not think, they are happily advocating fairy tales.

Then there is people who know very well what happened here and what their part is guilty of, but they actively work on covering it up with false accusations and false documents mixed with some really badly constructed arguments, these are the people who fill the parrots with the crap they spew.

You are the latter, you insist on ignoring my comments about your crimes and only concentrate on attacking and blaming Turkey in any given way except you are very bad with facts and better with constructing bad arguments.

You cannot respond to the comments about the crimes of the Greek people when you are happy to blame the Turks for the same ones.

THIS IS WHY!

That's why you are racist, not because of the content of your arguments, but because of the intentions behind them!!

Do you get me now!?

[YFred]

Explain the here and now. The only one witness-able fact. That Turkey is occupying Cyprus and keeping GCs away from their homes.

Explain that as part of you ideology or whatever you believe justifies conducting what can be perceived as a racist agenda; which is to segregate on ethnicity.

Why do you insist you are not racist, when what you do proves you are (by your own definition).

What is it about you that excuses real acts of racism, whilst blaming others who object to this behaviour, as racists?

There is a profound and fundamental flaw in your thinking ....

I don't know where you were between 1963 and 1974. I spent most of that time in Cyprus and lived right through the fighting.
The biggest danger the TCs faced were the fact that they were isolated. Turkey did what they did to be able to protect them. It has nothing to do with racism. In the meantime certain elements in the GC society benefited from this situation, so they made sure it continued between your leaders and Denktas.

RoC recieved huge funds to help the GCs whilst they continue to suffocate the TC economy.

Clerides admitted that GC leadership never wanted to solve the problem.

As much as you deny it, TCs have always been in grave danger from your fascists and will always be.

That is why we can't go back to 1960. There has to be a negotiated settlement with two federal states.

To call Turks racist because they refuse to let GCs go back to their homes is showing how little you understand the Cyprus problem.