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[YFred]

[rac·ism (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.[/i]

First of all Turks are not a race; and secondly, I have no illusions that they have any differences in human characteristics which they can conveniently use to excuse their behaviour.

And that is what you are ducking and diving, avoiding addressing; the fact that it is their behaviour which is at the root of the hatred.

If they are "discriminated" i.e. singled out, then it is because they are the ONLY ones presently occupying Cyprus. That is a perfectly legitimate reason which has nought to do with racism ... much as you would like to label it with that common phrase! Otherwise everyone is racist simply because they use the term Germans or French. It is a way of addressing a subject!

Turkey invaded a country, with made up excuses, in order to expand their territory for their own people. So they are the racists. They removed the GCs from the north of Cyprus. So they are the racists. They differentially killed thousands of GCs, so again Turks are the racists ... by YOUR definitions.

So please shah, if you don't want to appear dumber than I think you are, address why Turkey is not racist (your term) towards the GCs whom it has ethnically cleansed or killed ... and do not mix up my emotions which were forged by Turkish bombardments, and have certainly never led to any combative measures for vengeance, unlike what Turkey carries out to this day on GCs!

shahmaran:
I stopped reading at the part thats say "Turks are not a race".

Im too busy for this shit i'm sorry.

shah, its really hilarious when you squirm your way out of the "truth", with your bulletproof anologies, and your Turkish equality treatment that YOU SHOULD have.

Growuptcs, you must stop falling into the traps that your biological friend keeps setting up.

99.5% of what she says is pure crap. There are no pure races left. I suspect Greeks have more Turkish genetic material than Greek. All we have is similarity in genes between nations. In reality you will find that there is greater similarity between a Japanese man and a Scott when compared with two men from two African village separated just by a few miles.

I suspect that the good lady’s biology qualifications were awarded by the Greek Orthodox Church where the main curriculum subjects were Immaculate Conception and Creationism supplemented by the odd dose of Earth is the Centre of the Universe.

[shahmaran]

[rac·ism (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.[/i]

First of all Turks are not a race; and secondly, I have no illusions that they have any differences in human characteristics which they can conveniently use to excuse their behaviour.

And that is what you are ducking and diving, avoiding addressing; the fact that it is their behaviour which is at the root of the hatred.

If they are "discriminated" i.e. singled out, then it is because they are the ONLY ones presently occupying Cyprus. That is a perfectly legitimate reason which has nought to do with racism ... much as you would like to label it with that common phrase! Otherwise everyone is racist simply because they use the term Germans or French. It is a way of addressing a subject!

Turkey invaded a country, with made up excuses, in order to expand their territory for their own people. So they are the racists. They removed the GCs from the north of Cyprus. So they are the racists. They differentially killed thousands of GCs, so again Turks are the racists ... by YOUR definitions.

So please shah, if you don't want to appear dumber than I think you are, address why Turkey is not racist (your term) towards the GCs whom it has ethnically cleansed or killed ... and do not mix up my emotions which were forged by Turkish bombardments, and have certainly never led to any combative measures for vengeance, unlike what Turkey carries out to this day on GCs!

Sorry, didn't mean that I would not bother replying your absolute junk, was just too busy back then.

Your intellect has been diluted with racism to the point of no return and I do have work to do as well so I do apologize.

I will not even ask you why "Turks are not a race" because I truly don't wish to participate in your Nazi conversations about genetics and ancestors etc.

If we are not a race, than no one is, it is as simple as that.

This also means you would be left unemployed.

There is no such thing as "the behaviour" and the "people" being 2 separate entities, in which you can happily generalize them all (racist) in order to complain about their "behaviour" while claiming that you are not being racist, there is no difference between claiming that all Cypriots have big noses or claiming that all Cypriots act like idiots (that one might be true).

You must have just made that one up in the toilet because it absolutely stinks.

The problem in your argument is that you seem to constantly combine the Turks in Turkey, the TC's on this island and the doings of the Turkish army all under one hood, THE EVIL TURKS!

This is why you are racist.

Secondly you constantly ignore 95% of the conflict and its reasons up to the point where Turkey intervened and always only address this section of history when, yes, a lot of GC's died in the hands of the Turkish army while SAVING the TC's from the VERY racist crimes of the GC's.

Which is funny because up to the point where the operation had succeeded GC's were "speeding up" the atrocities.

You referred to this as "self defence" which was another great way to show how ignorant and in denial you could be, but you probably are not and you probably know very well what crimes the GC's have committed towards us, yet you CHOOSE to ignore them all purposefully in order to perpetuate the racist war that some GC's have been holding against the TC's of this island for centuries.

You are an extension of the EOKA-B mentality dressed up as a modern day "humanist"

This is also why you are racist.

This means that your ideas are at the core of the conflict so no matter what your argument is on this forum you will never be able to portray yourself as the "humane peace wanting" person, this is just a mask and your true intention is totally the opposite.

You are a racist disgrace who is trying to cover it up with extremely empty arguments that only an idiot would buy.

The fact that all of this is coming from a genuine mother and a so called "academic intellectual" is absolutely disgusting.

No wonder the Cyprus is full of racist hate, they must have all been raised by people like you, which is the only reason why we could never have peace on this island.

Racist intellectuals who hijack ideas such as "human rights" and "genetics" and "democracy" in order to defend their sick mentality are probably the worst kind of people that can ever exist as the damage they do are much more insidious and harder to heal.

[growuptcs]

[rac·ism (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.[/i]

First of all Turks are not a race; and secondly, I have no illusions that they have any differences in human characteristics which they can conveniently use to excuse their behaviour.

And that is what you are ducking and diving, avoiding addressing; the fact that it is their behaviour which is at the root of the hatred.

If they are "discriminated" i.e. singled out, then it is because they are the ONLY ones presently occupying Cyprus. That is a perfectly legitimate reason which has nought to do with racism ... much as you would like to label it with that common phrase! Otherwise everyone is racist simply because they use the term Germans or French. It is a way of addressing a subject!

Turkey invaded a country, with made up excuses, in order to expand their territory for their own people. So they are the racists. They removed the GCs from the north of Cyprus. So they are the racists. They differentially killed thousands of GCs, so again Turks are the racists ... by YOUR definitions.

So please shah, if you don't want to appear dumber than I think you are, address why Turkey is not racist (your term) towards the GCs whom it has ethnically cleansed or killed ... and do not mix up my emotions which were forged by Turkish bombardments, and have certainly never led to any combative measures for vengeance, unlike what Turkey carries out to this day on GCs!

shahmaran:
I stopped reading at the part thats say "Turks are not a race".

Im too busy for this shit i'm sorry.

shah, its really hilarious when you squirm your way out of the "truth", with your bulletproof anologies, and your Turkish equality treatment that YOU SHOULD have.

Growuptcs, you must stop falling into the traps that your biological friend keeps setting up.

99.5% of what she says is pure crap. There are no pure races left. I suspect Greeks have more Turkish genetic material than Greek. All we have is similarity in genes between nations. In reality you will find that there is greater similarity between a Japanese man and a Scott when compared with two men from two African village separated just by a few miles.

I suspect that the good lady’s biology qualifications were awarded by the Greek Orthodox Church where the main curriculum subjects were Immaculate Conception and Creationism supplemented by the odd dose of Earth is the Centre of the Universe.

99.5% of rats like cheese too YFred. What does that have anything to do with you holding GC's property and labeling them racists?

[shahmaran]

Holding property is just the consequence of a racist agenda you have pursued towards us which included murders.

Don't ignore everything that brought us here, your houses were never the actual goal.

[YFred]

[rac·ism (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.[/i]

First of all Turks are not a race; and secondly, I have no illusions that they have any differences in human characteristics which they can conveniently use to excuse their behaviour.

And that is what you are ducking and diving, avoiding addressing; the fact that it is their behaviour which is at the root of the hatred.

If they are "discriminated" i.e. singled out, then it is because they are the ONLY ones presently occupying Cyprus. That is a perfectly legitimate reason which has nought to do with racism ... much as you would like to label it with that common phrase! Otherwise everyone is racist simply because they use the term Germans or French. It is a way of addressing a subject!

Turkey invaded a country, with made up excuses, in order to expand their territory for their own people. So they are the racists. They removed the GCs from the north of Cyprus. So they are the racists. They differentially killed thousands of GCs, so again Turks are the racists ... by YOUR definitions.

So please shah, if you don't want to appear dumber than I think you are, address why Turkey is not racist (your term) towards the GCs whom it has ethnically cleansed or killed ... and do not mix up my emotions which were forged by Turkish bombardments, and have certainly never led to any combative measures for vengeance, unlike what Turkey carries out to this day on GCs!

shahmaran:
I stopped reading at the part thats say "Turks are not a race".

Im too busy for this shit i'm sorry.

shah, its really hilarious when you squirm your way out of the "truth", with your bulletproof anologies, and your Turkish equality treatment that YOU SHOULD have.

Growuptcs, you must stop falling into the traps that your biological friend keeps setting up.

99.5% of what she says is pure crap. There are no pure races left. I suspect Greeks have more Turkish genetic material than Greek. All we have is similarity in genes between nations. In reality you will find that there is greater similarity between a Japanese man and a Scott when compared with two men from two African village separated just by a few miles.

I suspect that the good lady’s biology qualifications were awarded by the Greek Orthodox Church where the main curriculum subjects were Immaculate Conception and Creationism supplemented by the odd dose of Earth is the Centre of the Universe.

Yep she certainly has similarities to rats. We all do genetically speaking, that is why most experiments they do for humans are on rats.
As far as racism is concerned our lady on a scale of 1 to 10 scores 1000000000000000000000%.
Now getting back to the thread. I don't see any hatred towards the Greeks, but I do see plenty of Greeks hatred towards Turks.

Have a look at this clip from Australia of Greek behaviour.
Particularly 6 minutes onwards to show you who has hatred in their minds.

[Oracle]

I will not even ask you why "Turks are not a race" because I truly don't wish to participate in your Nazi conversations about genetics and ancestors etc.

If we are not a race, than no one is, it is as simple as that.

How many times have I told you? There is only ONE race ... the Human Race. That is why there is no genetic distinction between Turks and any others, which might excuse them for their behaviour!

This also means you would be left unemployed.

I don't know of any trustworthy Geneticists who still believe Humans can be sub-divided into races. Only misinformed idiots like you and YFred, who think they understand "genetics" because they Googled Darwin, can possibly think there is any foundation to the multi-race ideology.

However, it serves your purpose to brandish the term around because you want to believe you are hated for racist differences, instead of what you are really hated for, which is mass slaughter, Napalming, ethnic cleansing etc. Your atrocities .... and not your genes. Things that can be changed ... if your destructive cultural mind-set was not so fixed!

There is no such thing as "the behaviour" and the "people" being 2 separate entities, in which you can happily generalize them all (racist) in order to complain about their "behaviour" while claiming that you are not being racist, there is no difference between claiming that all Cypriots have big noses or claiming that all Cypriots act like idiots (that one might be true).

This is nonsense as it is precisely Turkey's behaviour which singles it out due to the fact it is the ONE and only enemy of Cyprus. If it was France then thy would be the enemy. So not down to genes, but enacted behaviour.

The problem in your argument is that you seem to constantly combine the Turks in Turkey, the TC's on this island and the doings of the Turkish army all under one hood, THE EVIL TURKS!

People are defined by their behaviour and if the TCs are siding with the Turks who are the enemies of freedom and harmony in Cyprus, and what's more, they speak the same language, and identify themselves culturally ... then they qualify as Turks.

As for the rest of your junk, you are the one who claims I try to sound humanitarian, because something must have made you believe that . Probably because you know I am not a racist, but by letting go of that notion, you have to accept Turkey have behaved atrociously. Anyway, your perceptions are yours ... I still believe you are a victim of Turkey's segregationist policy.

But I will re-iterate that since Turkey has singled out Cyprus for repeat invasions, colonisations and continuing occupation for the reason of segregating the GCs from their homes, killing them if they stray over or touch a Turkish flag; then I am afraid there is something very evil about those Turks of Turkey that support such behaviour.

[Oracle]

BTW I don't hijack genetics to excuse "racism". That is what you do! I want to debunk the unsustainable ideology that you can categorize people into different races. I have never seen reliable data which proves there is more than ONE race.

So again, Turkey has no excuses to fall back on for its behaviour. It has the same genetics as everybody else (although they would like to believe they are a superior race, a belief acquired from Kemal). It is a matter of WILL and conscience, not genetics, which determines how people behave. It is something alterable if the other Human "qualities" (selfishness) can be kept in check.

[growuptcs]

YFred, lets not act all victim here, seriously. Lets move on to the next stages of peace in Cyprus without getting caught up on junk. I'm not looking to politically contribute, because thats all franks and beans to me. Theres no way for negotiating something the Turks never had, so back to stalemate. Mate.

[Oracle]

Now getting back to the thread. I don't see any hatred towards the Greeks, but I do see plenty of Greeks hatred towards Turks.

Despite your powers of observation being on a par with a mole and therefore unworthy of a reply, and your uncouth sexist remarks, which unlike racism, do have a genetic basis, thus merely insulting your gender by your constant use of demeaning labels; see if you can offer a meaningful explanation as to why Turks ethnically segregate "Greeks" away from their own "precious" people, if they did not hate them? Are you suggesting they are protecting the Greeks they love so much by keeping murderous Turks away from them?

[YFred]

YFred, lets not act all victim here, seriously. Lets move on to the next stages of peace in Cyprus without getting caught up on junk. I'm not looking to politically contribute, because thats all franks and beans to me. Theres no way for negotiating something the Turks never had, so back to stalemate. Mate.

So what is the solution?