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[halil]

Why should President Talat be more flexible and compromising?

06.03.2009

Ozcan Ozcanhan
There is a false impression within the Greek Cypriot community and media that the TRNC President, Talat, will have to adopt a more flexible and compromising attitude following the 19 April general election in North Cyprus.
The Greek Cypriot expectations and claims are groundless.
This was emphatically stated by the Presidential Spokesman Hasan Ercakica, at his weekly press briefing on Tuesday. Whatever the result of the elections, and whoever wins, President Talat will follow his plan of principles and commitment “To do my best to work out an agreement and solution of the Cyprus problem with Mr. Christofias at the resumed Cyprus negotiations.” The set principles of the Turkish side and of Mr. Talat are very well known. Mr. Ercakica, President Talat’s spokesman, while answering questions from journalists said, “We made possible a restart to the stagnated Cyprus talks by our flexibility and compromising attitude. But we have our principles; these principles are not, however, to be compromised. Our position is clear. Talks are not a simple bargaining process or horse-trading. Our position is clear and unambiguous. We are trying to establish a new partnership. A bizonal, bicommunal federation based on the political equality of the two peoples. Neither Greek Cypriots or third party representatives, nor the public at large should expect Mr. Talat to be more flexible and compromising after the 19 April elections. These elections have no significance for President Talat who has drawn and placed his political career on a plan of principles. He has, all along, been flexible, understanding and compromising.”
Therefore, explained Ercakica, “The Turkish Cypriot side will maintain the negotiations with loyalty and zeal and with the same flexibility it has been following right from the start. So, no one should wait for and expect more flexibility from Mr. Talat after the 19 April elections.” President Talat and the TRNC coalition government are working harmoniously and conductively for a Cyprus settlement with understanding and elasticity. Mr Ercakica said, “Working harmoniously with the government and Turkey is obviously important. President Talat will continue to work with the new government which will come to office at the end of the elections, within the set framework and principles.” He was answering a question which pointed to the possibility of the formation of a new cabinet and a majority of hardliners in parliament who would insist on the perpetuation of the de facto situation of two states with separate identities and a partnership of TRNC and the Greek Cypriot republic. Ercakica said that the position of the President was well known and clear. He would not dwell on presumptions. President Talat was a man of principles and would live up to his commitments.
From these entire statements one can draw a conclusion.
The Turkish Cypriot side has been flexible, constructive and compromising from the very beginning of the resumed Cyprus talks and will maintain a similar stance. The Greek Cypriot side and all interested parties in the Cyprus dispute should not expect further flexibility from the Turkish side after the 19 April elections.
Especially, President Christofias and the Greek Cypriot politicians should approach the whole situation more realistically and should not raise hopes and should not plunge into wild expectations.
President Talat, as elected leader and interlocutor of the Cyprus Turks will continue talks with President Christofias on the agreed basis, to reach the set target: A bizonal, bicommunal federal Cyprus, based on the political equality of the two peoples of the island. It would be more appropriate to expect flexibility and compromise from Mr. Christofias on the issues of governance and property for steady progress at the talks. Would it not? It is worth considering.
Why does Mr. Christofias not ask his top adviser and speech writer Claire Palley?

[Kifeas]

Halil, tell your bosses that as long as they keep talking about two "peoples" and "two co-founding states" in Cyprus, and as long as they keep talking about Turkey's so called rights in Cyprus, there is no chance in a billion to reach a solution with the Greek Cypriots. Tell your bosses that the alternative to that of reaching a solution with the GCs, is not recognition and partition, but the continuation forever of the present status-quo. The alternative will not be direct trade, direct flights, tourism, and all the rest you keep dreaming, but instead the continuation of your isolation and your community's gradual disappearance from Cyprus, among the thousands of illegal settlers that Turkey allows to come from Anatolia. It is written both in stone in law that Cyprus belongs to the RoC, as a whole, and there is no power to alter such a fact of international reality and legality. It is also written in stone that without an agreed by the GCs solution, Turkey will never see the door of the EU, no matter how much it will cry, jump up and down and blackmail the world. As simple as that!

Now, go and do tell your bosses what the facts and the realities are, for your own community's good sake. The GCs can wait for hundreds and thousands of years, if this is what is required, just like we have learned to do in the thousands of years of our long history. We are an ancient people with lots of experiences in this country and this part of the world, and both you and your brothers in Turkey are just like babies in comparison to us. Your history and experience are only a small fraction of ours. Never forget that we have survived the Arabs and the Persians for 400 years each, the Romans and the Ottomans for 300 years each, the Saracens, the Assyrians, the Franks and the Venetians, for centuries. They all came and left, but we are still here, like we were here for the last 4,000 years. We know how to wait, because we know that in the end we will survive. Don’t forget that the same tricks and the same capricious behavior that you portray, has been played before by the Phoenicians in Cyprus, when they came here and cut a piece of our country, and claimed it to be theirs, for nearly 300 years. Where are the Phoenicians now, and where are we? In the end, they disappeared from the face of earth, but we are still here! If you do not come to your senses, one day you may also have the fate the Phoenicians, and do not tell me I did not warn you!

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Halil, tell your bosses that as long as they keep talking about two "peoples" and "two co-founding states" in Cyprus, and as long as they keep talking about Turkey's so called rights in Cyprus, there is no chance in a billion to reach a solution with the Greek Cypriots. Tell your bosses that the alternative to that of reaching a solution with the GCs, is not recognition and partition, but the continuation forever of the present status-quo. The alternative will not be direct trade, direct flights, tourism, and all the rest you keep dreaming, but instead the continuation of your isolation and your community's gradual disappearance from Cyprus, among the thousands of illegal settlers that Turkey allows to come from Anatolia. It is written both in stone in law that Cyprus belongs to the RoC, as a whole, and there is no power to alter such a fact of international reality and legality. It is also written in stone that without an agreed by the GCs solution, Turkey will never see the door of the EU, no matter how much it will cry, jump up and down and blackmail the world. As simple as that!

Now, go and do tell your bosses what the facts and the realities are, for your own community's good sake. The GCs can wait for hundreds and thousands of years, if this is what is required, just like we have learned to do in the thousands of years of our long history. We are an ancient people with lots of experiences in this country and this part of the world, and both you and your brothers in Turkey are just like babies in comparison to us. Your history and experience are only a small fraction of ours. Never forget that we have survived the Arabs and the Persians for 400 years each, the Romans and the Ottomans for 300 years each, the Saracens, the Assyrians, the Franks and the Venetians, for centuries. They all came and left, but we are still here, like we were here for the last 4,000 years. We know how to wait, because we know that in the end we will survive. Don’t forget that the same tricks and the same capricious behavior that you portray, has been played before by the Phoenicians in Cyprus, when they came here and cut a piece of our country, and claimed it to be theirs, for nearly 300 years. Where the Phoenicians now and where are we? In the end, they disappeared from the face of earth, but we are still here! If you do not come to your senses, one day you may also have the fate the Phoenicians, and do not tell me I did not warn you!

With this arrogant attitude wait you shall.

[paliometoxo]

he isent talat wants to take take take and give nothing back.. they ask why should we have to give something back they should give..

its like turkey has a plan to turkify the world and they dont care how its done. even in germany the germans HATE turks i said to this guy i spoke to.. why do germans hate turks what have they done to you? they are allover the place trying to turkyfi our land he says to me, i hate them.. they have a growth rate larger then the germans little fuckers trying to make germany another turkey, im sure they will use any excuse tot ry invade germany to make their own little state, they already have islam tought in schools now

[Kifeas]

Halil, tell your bosses that as long as they keep talking about two "peoples" and "two co-founding states" in Cyprus, and as long as they keep talking about Turkey's so called rights in Cyprus, there is no chance in a billion to reach a solution with the Greek Cypriots. Tell your bosses that the alternative to that of reaching a solution with the GCs, is not recognition and partition, but the continuation forever of the present status-quo. The alternative will not be direct trade, direct flights, tourism, and all the rest you keep dreaming, but instead the continuation of your isolation and your community's gradual disappearance from Cyprus, among the thousands of illegal settlers that Turkey allows to come from Anatolia. It is written both in stone in law that Cyprus belongs to the RoC, as a whole, and there is no power to alter such a fact of international reality and legality. It is also written in stone that without an agreed by the GCs solution, Turkey will never see the door of the EU, no matter how much it will cry, jump up and down and blackmail the world. As simple as that!

Now, go and do tell your bosses what the facts and the realities are, for your own community's good sake. The GCs can wait for hundreds and thousands of years, if this is what is required, just like we have learned to do in the thousands of years of our long history. We are an ancient people with lots of experiences in this country and this part of the world, and both you and your brothers in Turkey are just like babies in comparison to us. Your history and experience are only a small fraction of ours. Never forget that we have survived the Arabs and the Persians for 400 years each, the Romans and the Ottomans for 300 years each, the Saracens, the Assyrians, the Franks and the Venetians, for centuries. They all came and left, but we are still here, like we were here for the last 4,000 years. We know how to wait, because we know that in the end we will survive. Don’t forget that the same tricks and the same capricious behavior that you portray, has been played before by the Phoenicians in Cyprus, when they came here and cut a piece of our country, and claimed it to be theirs, for nearly 300 years. Where the Phoenicians now and where are we? In the end, they disappeared from the face of earth, but we are still here! If you do not come to your senses, one day you may also have the fate the Phoenicians, and do not tell me I did not warn you!

With this arrogant attitude wait you shall.

We know how to wait, VP! Your 400 years of history in this country is as small as that of just one of the numerous conquerors and rulers we sustained and survived in our long history. We have seen this film being played, numerous times in our past history, whereas in your case, it is the first time you see it. Remember that while we are already on our way back from our long journey in history, you are only just about departing for it. You are fighting a losing battle, VP!

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Halil, tell your bosses that as long as they keep talking about two "peoples" and "two co-founding states" in Cyprus, and as long as they keep talking about Turkey's so called rights in Cyprus, there is no chance in a billion to reach a solution with the Greek Cypriots. Tell your bosses that the alternative to that of reaching a solution with the GCs, is not recognition and partition, but the continuation forever of the present status-quo. The alternative will not be direct trade, direct flights, tourism, and all the rest you keep dreaming, but instead the continuation of your isolation and your community's gradual disappearance from Cyprus, among the thousands of illegal settlers that Turkey allows to come from Anatolia. It is written both in stone in law that Cyprus belongs to the RoC, as a whole, and there is no power to alter such a fact of international reality and legality. It is also written in stone that without an agreed by the GCs solution, Turkey will never see the door of the EU, no matter how much it will cry, jump up and down and blackmail the world. As simple as that!

Now, go and do tell your bosses what the facts and the realities are, for your own community's good sake. The GCs can wait for hundreds and thousands of years, if this is what is required, just like we have learned to do in the thousands of years of our long history. We are an ancient people with lots of experiences in this country and this part of the world, and both you and your brothers in Turkey are just like babies in comparison to us. Your history and experience are only a small fraction of ours. Never forget that we have survived the Arabs and the Persians for 400 years each, the Romans and the Ottomans for 300 years each, the Saracens, the Assyrians, the Franks and the Venetians, for centuries. They all came and left, but we are still here, like we were here for the last 4,000 years. We know how to wait, because we know that in the end we will survive. Don’t forget that the same tricks and the same capricious behavior that you portray, has been played before by the Phoenicians in Cyprus, when they came here and cut a piece of our country, and claimed it to be theirs, for nearly 300 years. Where the Phoenicians now and where are we? In the end, they disappeared from the face of earth, but we are still here! If you do not come to your senses, one day you may also have the fate the Phoenicians, and do not tell me I did not warn you!

With this arrogant attitude wait you shall.

We know how to wait, VP! Your 400 years of history in this country is as small as that of just one of the numerous conquerors and rulers we sustained and survived in our long history. We have seen this film being played, numerous times in our past history, whereas in your case, it is the first time you see it. Remember that while we are already on our way back from our long journey in history, you are only just about departing for it. You are fighting a losing battle, VP!

You wait...you claim its your speciality sometimes that all you are destined to becuase you have no vision or capacity to do anything else.

[halil]

we wait too ..... as long as long .......

till ...... A bizonal, bicommunal federal Cyprus, based on the political equality of the two peoples of the island ....... to come .....

go and tell Kifeas !

[Kifeas]

VP, in 1974, we lost 37% of our country, together with 65% of its then natural, agricultural and tourism development resources. Yet, we managed to survive and in 30 years time we developed an economy and a society that it is regarded as the most advanced in the Middle East and the eastern Mediterranean, and we enjoy a quality of life even better than that of Israel, the 52nd state of the USA. We have managed to make Cyprus a member of the EU, and enjoy a per capita income that is equal to the average of the EU. All these, despite all the obstacles resulting from the making of 1/3 of our population as refugees, and despite starting from point zero in 1974. How did we manage all these, if as you say we have no vision?

Let me tell you something else, VP! We are the indigenous people of this country. We are one with the mountains of this country, one with its stones, its trees, its rocks, its waters, its skies and its seas. It is estimated that during our long history, about 10 millions of GCs have lived in this island, and have now passed away. If each one of them needs one (1) sq. meter for his burial place, then 10 mil. Sq. meters of this island do contain our ancestors’ bones. The territory of this island is only about 9.2 millions of sq. meters, therefore chances are you are currently seating over the bones of one of our ancestors. Every meter you cover daily while walking, you are passing over the burial place of one the ancestors of the Greek Cypriots. Every meter you are digging daily to plant a tree or a flower, your mixing your hands with the soil that digested the blood and the flesh of one of our ancestors, and which contains their bones. We are part of the nature of this island-country. In choosing to fight us in this island, you have chosen to fight the nature of this country. There is no human being that can put up a fight with nature itself, and this is precisely what you have chosen to do. In the end, nature will prevail!

[DT.]

we wait too ..... as long as long .......

till ...... A bizonal, bicommunal federal Cyprus, based on the political equality of the two peoples of the island ....... to come .....

go and tell Kifeas !

you forgot....and as long as Turkey's interests in Cyprus are fully satisfied.

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Kifeas

VP, in 1974, we lost 37% of our country, together with 65% of its then natural, agricultural and tourism development resources. Yet, we managed to survive and in 30 years time we developed an economy and a society that it is regarded as the most advanced in the Middle East and the eastern Mediterranean, and we enjoy a quality of life even better than that of Israel, the 52nd state of the USA. We have managed to make Cyprus a member of the EU, and enjoy a per capita income that is equal to the average of the EU. All these, despite all the obstacles resulting from the making of 1/3 of our population as refugees, and despite starting from point zero in 1974. How did we manage all these, if as you say we have no vision?

We also lost 63% of our country together with 35% of its natural resources, not only in 1974 but also in 1963 but against all odds we have also managed to survive. Your sucess is purely based on theft of our rights in 1963 not 1974 which you try to peddle as the start of all our troubles. While you prospered we watched on being discriminated against and persecuted at every turn. If we had enjoyed your advanatges believe me we would be on a par with Switzerland. I acknowledge the hardship and suffering of the GC people after 1974 but they have their eoka terrorists and Greece to thank for that...they have worked hard to improve the "RoC" with the stolen rights of the TCs and their blood on their hands..the lack of vision of the Gcs is not related to what they do for themselves but what they could have done for the whole population of Cyprus, even today they are so blind to see that their politics only pushes us further into the lap of Turkey and further away from a solution, thats where GCs lack any vision or desire for a solution that will embrace TCs.

Let me tell you something else, VP! We are the indigenous people of this country. We are one with the mountains of this country, one with its stones, its trees, its rocks, its waters, its skies and its seas. It is estimated that during our long history, about 10 millions of GCs have lived in this island, and have now passed away. If each one of them needs one (1) sq. meter for his burial place, then 10 mil. Sq. meters of this island do contain our ancestors’ bones. The territory of this island is only about 9.2 millions of sq. meters, therefore chances are you are currently seating over the bones of one of our ancestors. Every meter you cover daily while walking, you are passing over the burial place of one the ancestors of the Greek Cypriots. Every meter you are digging daily to plant a tree or a flower, your mixing your hands with the soil that digested the blood and the flesh of one of our ancestors, and which contains their bones. We are part of the nature of this island-country. In choosing to fight us in this island, you have chosen to fight the nature of this country. There is no human being that can put up a fight with nature itself, and this is precisely what you have chosen to do. In the end, nature will prevail!

Does the above give you anymore rights than me? I to am indigenous to Cyprus and the fact that you claim a longer heritage here which is very questionable as GCs were bastardized so many times I do not feel even you know where your family line came from. but saying that it does not mean you have any less right to live in Cyprus, the only problem we have is we cannot share it mixed together as we do not see eye to eye on how to run this country and therefore the division we have today is the only real solution we will ever have, its takes every individual time to accept this fact but as you can see from recent polls people will gradually come to realize this fact.