Viewpoint wrote:Kikapu wrote:Viewpoint wrote:
They were the best chance we had, now thats fast disappearing.
Talat only has himself to blame as a well as all the NeoPartitionist for not seeking a Truly Democratic True Federation, but rather some hog washed mishmash with lose ends of a Federation/Confederation what Talat wants which would always leave the door open for an independent legal separation of the north sometime in the future. No GC in their right minds will allow such a thing to happen. Come to think of it, neither would many decent TC's, including myself. We can already see all the corruption that goes on in the north today, so how would it be any different if it became an independent state.? All that will happen in the new state, is that the elites will rule all the peasants with the same "democracy" as it is practiced in all the other Muslim countries. The only hope for the decent TC's to have a decent life like all other EU member states, is to be in the EU.
I have given you a BBF plan that restores equal rights to all Cypriots. If you want to negotiate a limited right of return into the north state where the TC's will maintain a majority so that they can keep the upper 5 seats in the hands of the north state citizens (TC's), then you might find that many GC's might be willing to accept such a deal, where all the GC's who may have property in the north state will be allowed to come and live there, but add certain quotas for any new GC's who may want to move to the north state. But once most of the GC's land is given back so that it will become part of the south state, there will be very little desires to move to the north state. The chances are, more TC's may want to leave the north state than GC's wanting to move to the north. I know this will go against the EU's freedom of movement rules, but since Talat wants to violate many other Democratic and Human Rights in order to get a "made for measure" solution that will leave the door always open for an independent north state is already in violation many rights of others. As a small compromise, lets "violate" the rights of as few people as possible that these are the people that does not even exists, as far as new GC's that will want to come and live with. Quota can be set in advance over and above of all the GC's who already have property in the new north state. This is also another reason to have the north state in 2-3 large pieces so that more GC land can be returned, also perhaps in large pieces.
Switzerland for a small country has 26 cantons and each canton is much smaller than the any new state that will be in the north, whether it's in one piece or few pieces. No Canton in Switzerland claim that they do not have enough land to make their canton function. You just need to reduce the north state by at least 50% to give peace a chance. This will also discourage those in the north from ever thinking of an independence state in the future, which will in return allow the GC's to put their guards down of bad intentions by the TC's. Talat cannot have what he wants that is not democratic and also allows room for partition. Talat asking for each new state to have more authority than central government is a huge Red Flag. This would mean, that he can sign deals with Turkey to place Turkish Troops in the north under the cover of military cooperation as well as give EU citizenship to every Turk in Turkey and the central government will not be able to say anything about this. Mind boggles, and then you complain that there is no settlement in sight. How can you be surprised when Talat is asking the impossible. As a TC, I will say NO to him on this kind of a settlement because the ordinary TC’s will not have anyone to run to, like a strong Federal Government when the elites start to control their lives. I say forget it Mr Talat, you are wasting our time with such foolish demands.!
Have you got a direct line to the negotiations? how do you know what President Talat is asking for?, your fabrications are just getting to ridiculous to comprehend, stop making things up as you go along and asking everyone to be stupid enough just to accept what you say because you say it.
The TCs will of course hand back land to accomodate as many refugees as possibleallowing them to live in the GC state but dont ask them to break into pieces or reduce to 18% this would be rejected without even a second thought by the majority. The TC state will be between 25% and 29% as accepted by the GCs on many negotiating tables, if GCs want to return and live with us they are welcome but the balance of power has to be strcutured in a way that allows TCs the right to say no on predetermined sensative issues this can be via a fived 5 5 balance or the need to have at least 2 TC votes when passing a bill in the upper house. The important issue is not to stop developments that benefit all the same way but to stop those that will effective one state more negatively than the other.
Your plan was disguised suicide which you wanted us to walk into without a second thought...well time you realized we are not stupid and will not give into GC mindset that wants to dominate and discriminate by pushing us into a minority status.
Why would it been a "disguised suicide" if the TC's had the overwhelming majority in the north with the protected quotas on any new arrival GC's. The fact that you want to have 29% of land in the north, would automatically reject 60,000 GC's and allowing only about 30,000 to settle in the north, and this is according to your "bible", the Annan Plan. So basically, 60,000 has no right to return if you keep 29%, but if you allowed them in, all 90,000, then you will lose the north state's local government if they are allowed to vote, which they will be. You will then start losing the upper house one by one, because many TC's will leave eventually to the south or abroad. But in order to protect the upper 5 seats, you want a guarantee to be in the hands of the TC's, and this too will not me allowed as being undemocratic. Then you have another idea, which is to have all bills pass by at least with 2 TC's voting for it. This will also be not accepted, because it takes away power from the president and the vice president as well as being undemocratic. The senators will be more powerful than the President.!
If you are going to break any laws, at least break the one where it does the least harm to anyone and at the same time, have a Democratic country, where in time, the government seats will be chosen based on political ideology, and not based on ethnicity, in which, the unused quota system on the new GC's moving to the north state can be lifted and then it would not make a bit of difference where one lived. This is what True Federation is about and what ONE country and ONE citizenship is all about, but your main intention is to have a disguised partition settlement with all these loose this, loose that, and loose the other arrangements, so that you can have an official and legal partition. This is also why you are so against having the north state in more than one piece.
I do not think the GC's are going to step on the rights of those 60,000 just that you can have a bigger state. By reducing the north state to 18-20%, you will be accommodating most of the displaced 90,000 GC's, and only the remaining very few can then settle with you in the north. Along with the added quota on any new arrival GC's, you will have complete control of all the state government, as well as the 5 seats in the upper house. Your problem is, you think you are entitled to any land over 20% and that you also think, this land will only belong to the TC's as if this has been theirs all along and that they will have the right to declare independence from then on. In a True Federation, this will not be allowed, hence the fact, Talat keeps changing his position at every turn by trying to impose a very loose Confederation, but calls it a Federation, as if people are stupid.!
