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[Get Real!]

Whatever and whomever they all took advantage of in the past, the fact is that TODAY the Greek Cypriots have the National Guard which although small can pack a hefty punch and when combined with the GC financial muscle, international recognition, and overwhelming majority in numbers, it’s a lost cause for anyone else trying to get their way and who doesn’t want to join them on this island.

I spoke about the Natural Selection Process a long time ago…those who don’t join them will slowly but surely perish. Common sense!

[Piratis]

The Turkish occupation of Cyprus and the declaration of the pseudo state are illegal and inexcusable and there are UN resolutions demanding the respect of the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus and declaring the illegality of your pseudo state.

Coups happened in Turkey as well. Many of them. So what? A coup is not an excuse for the Turkish invasion that killed 1000s, ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands, nor it is an excuse for Turkey to illegally occupy territory of Republic of Cyprus for 35 years.

[YFred]

Whatever and whomever they all took advantage of in the past, the fact is that TODAY the Greek Cypriots have the National Guard which although small can pack a hefty punch and when combined with the GC financial muscle, international recognition, and overwhelming majority in numbers, it’s a lost cause for anyone else trying to get their way and who doesn’t want to join them on this island.

I spoke about the Natural Selection Process a long time ago…those who don’t join them will slowly but surely perish. Common sense!

The likes of you are destined to live alone heading directly to extinction dear boy.

You are the original toothless T-rex.

Next time you post something make sure your false teeth are in your mouth.

[Kikapu]

They were the best chance we had, now thats fast disappearing.

Talat only has himself to blame as a well as all the NeoPartitionist for not seeking a Truly Democratic True Federation, but rather some hog washed mishmash with lose ends of a Federation/Confederation what Talat wants which would always leave the door open for an independent legal separation of the north sometime in the future. No GC in their right minds will allow such a thing to happen. Come to think of it, neither would many decent TC's, including myself. We can already see all the corruption that goes on in the north today, so how would it be any different if it became an independent state.? All that will happen in the new state, is that the elites will rule all the peasants with the same "democracy" as it is practiced in all the other Muslim countries. The only hope for the decent TC's to have a decent life like all other EU member states, is to be in the EU.

I have given you a BBF plan that restores equal rights to all Cypriots. If you want to negotiate a limited right of return into the north state where the TC's will maintain a majority so that they can keep the upper 5 seats in the hands of the north state citizens (TC's), then you might find that many GC's might be willing to accept such a deal, where all the GC's who may have property in the north state will be allowed to come and live there, but add certain quotas for any new GC's who may want to move to the north state. But once most of the GC's land is given back so that it will become part of the south state, there will be very little desires to move to the north state. The chances are, more TC's may want to leave the north state than GC's wanting to move to the north. I know this will go against the EU's freedom of movement rules, but since Talat wants to violate many other Democratic and Human Rights in order to get a "made for measure" solution that will leave the door always open for an independent north state is already in violation many rights of others. As a small compromise, lets "violate" the rights of as few people as possible that these are the people that does not even exists, as far as new GC's that will want to come and live with. Quota can be set in advance over and above of all the GC's who already have property in the new north state. This is also another reason to have the north state in 2-3 large pieces so that more GC land can be returned, also perhaps in large pieces.

Switzerland for a small country has 26 cantons and each canton is much smaller than the any new state that will be in the north, whether it's in one piece or few pieces. No Canton in Switzerland claim that they do not have enough land to make their canton function. You just need to reduce the north state by at least 50% to give peace a chance. This will also discourage those in the north from ever thinking of an independence state in the future, which will in return allow the GC's to put their guards down of bad intentions by the TC's. Talat cannot have what he wants that is not democratic and also allows room for partition. Talat asking for each new state to have more authority than central government is a huge Red Flag. This would mean, that he can sign deals with Turkey to place Turkish Troops in the north under the cover of military cooperation as well as give EU citizenship to every Turk in Turkey and the central government will not be able to say anything about this. Mind boggles, and then you complain that there is no settlement in sight. How can you be surprised when Talat is asking the impossible. As a TC, I will say NO to him on this kind of a settlement because the ordinary TC’s will not have anyone to run to, like a strong Federal Government when the elites start to control their lives. I say forget it Mr Talat, you are wasting our time with such foolish demands.!

[Viewpoint]

Whatever and whomever they all took advantage of in the past, the fact is that TODAY the Greek Cypriots have the National Guard which although small can pack a hefty punch and when combined with the GC financial muscle, international recognition, and overwhelming majority in numbers, it’s a lost cause for anyone else trying to get their way and who doesn’t want to join them on this island.

I spoke about the Natural Selection Process a long time ago…those who don’t join them will slowly but surely perish. Common sense!

Dream on GR, why dont you use those advantages to take what you want? Ill tell you no balls GCs have always been allno talk and no action...we were underdogs last time but this time its another story..try it and live with the consequencies as you are doing today.

[Viewpoint]

The Turkish occupation of Cyprus and the declaration of the pseudo state are illegal and inexcusable and there are UN resolutions demanding the respect of the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus and declaring the illegality of your pseudo state.

Coups happened in Turkey as well. Many of them. So what? A coup is not an excuse for the Turkish invasion that killed 1000s, ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands, nor it is an excuse for Turkey to illegally occupy territory of Republic of Cyprus for 35 years.

So whats your point?? does it make the current situation dissapear into thin air?? No you still have to tackle and solve the Cyprus problem that Turkey had to inverne to secure a peaceful exsistence for all, no amount of resolutions and legalities wiill do it for you.

[bill cobbett]

The Turkish occupation of Cyprus and the declaration of the pseudo state are illegal and inexcusable and there are UN resolutions demanding the respect of the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus and declaring the illegality of your pseudo state.

Coups happened in Turkey as well. Many of them. So what? A coup is not an excuse for the Turkish invasion that killed 1000s, ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands, nor it is an excuse for Turkey to illegally occupy territory of Republic of Cyprus for 35 years.

So whats your point?? does it make the current situation dissapear into thin air?? No you still have to tackle and solve the Cyprus problem that Turkey had to inverne to secure a peaceful exsistence for all, no amount of resolutions and legalities wiill do it for you.

..."a peaceful existence for all" ? Well certainly very peaceful for the '000s murdered by The Jurkish Piss Operation. (may they all continue to rest in peace).

[Viewpoint]

They were the best chance we had, now thats fast disappearing.

Talat only has himself to blame as a well as all the NeoPartitionist for not seeking a Truly Democratic True Federation, but rather some hog washed mishmash with lose ends of a Federation/Confederation what Talat wants which would always leave the door open for an independent legal separation of the north sometime in the future. No GC in their right minds will allow such a thing to happen. Come to think of it, neither would many decent TC's, including myself. We can already see all the corruption that goes on in the north today, so how would it be any different if it became an independent state.? All that will happen in the new state, is that the elites will rule all the peasants with the same "democracy" as it is practiced in all the other Muslim countries. The only hope for the decent TC's to have a decent life like all other EU member states, is to be in the EU.

I have given you a BBF plan that restores equal rights to all Cypriots. If you want to negotiate a limited right of return into the north state where the TC's will maintain a majority so that they can keep the upper 5 seats in the hands of the north state citizens (TC's), then you might find that many GC's might be willing to accept such a deal, where all the GC's who may have property in the north state will be allowed to come and live there, but add certain quotas for any new GC's who may want to move to the north state. But once most of the GC's land is given back so that it will become part of the south state, there will be very little desires to move to the north state. The chances are, more TC's may want to leave the north state than GC's wanting to move to the north. I know this will go against the EU's freedom of movement rules, but since Talat wants to violate many other Democratic and Human Rights in order to get a "made for measure" solution that will leave the door always open for an independent north state is already in violation many rights of others. As a small compromise, lets "violate" the rights of as few people as possible that these are the people that does not even exists, as far as new GC's that will want to come and live with. Quota can be set in advance over and above of all the GC's who already have property in the new north state. This is also another reason to have the north state in 2-3 large pieces so that more GC land can be returned, also perhaps in large pieces.

Switzerland for a small country has 26 cantons and each canton is much smaller than the any new state that will be in the north, whether it's in one piece or few pieces. No Canton in Switzerland claim that they do not have enough land to make their canton function. You just need to reduce the north state by at least 50% to give peace a chance. This will also discourage those in the north from ever thinking of an independence state in the future, which will in return allow the GC's to put their guards down of bad intentions by the TC's. Talat cannot have what he wants that is not democratic and also allows room for partition. Talat asking for each new state to have more authority than central government is a huge Red Flag. This would mean, that he can sign deals with Turkey to place Turkish Troops in the north under the cover of military cooperation as well as give EU citizenship to every Turk in Turkey and the central government will not be able to say anything about this. Mind boggles, and then you complain that there is no settlement in sight. How can you be surprised when Talat is asking the impossible. As a TC, I will say NO to him on this kind of a settlement because the ordinary TC’s will not have anyone to run to, like a strong Federal Government when the elites start to control their lives. I say forget it Mr Talat, you are wasting our time with such foolish demands.!

Have you got a direct line to the negotiations? how do you know what President Talat is asking for?, your fabrications are just getting to ridiculous to comprehend, stop making things up as you go along and asking everyone to be stupid enough just to accept what you say because you say it.

The TCs will of course hand back land to accomodate as many refugees as possibleallowing them to live in the GC state but dont ask them to break into pieces or reduce to 18% this would be rejected without even a second thought by the majority. The TC state will be between 25% and 29% as accepted by the GCs on many negotiating tables, if GCs want to return and live with us they are welcome but the balance of power has to be strcutured in a way that allows TCs the right to say no on predetermined sensative issues this can be via a fived 5 5 balance or the need to have at least 2 TC votes when passing a bill in the upper house. The important issue is not to stop developments that benefit all the same way but to stop those that will effective one state more negatively than the other.

Your plan was disguised suicide which you wanted us to walk into without a second thought...well time you realized we are not stupid and will not give into GC mindset that wants to dominate and discriminate by pushing us into a minority status.

[Viewpoint]

The Turkish occupation of Cyprus and the declaration of the pseudo state are illegal and inexcusable and there are UN resolutions demanding the respect of the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus and declaring the illegality of your pseudo state.

Coups happened in Turkey as well. Many of them. So what? A coup is not an excuse for the Turkish invasion that killed 1000s, ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands, nor it is an excuse for Turkey to illegally occupy territory of Republic of Cyprus for 35 years.

So whats your point?? does it make the current situation dissapear into thin air?? No you still have to tackle and solve the Cyprus problem that Turkey had to inverne to secure a peaceful exsistence for all, no amount of resolutions and legalities wiill do it for you.

..."a peaceful existence for all" ? Well certainly very peaceful for the '000s murdered by The Jurkish Piss Operation. (may they all continue to rest in peace).

Hardly peaceful for us before Turkey arrived...the Gcs made the biggest mistake by wanting enosispiss and excluding a large portion of their "claimed" population.

[bill cobbett]

The Turkish occupation of Cyprus and the declaration of the pseudo state are illegal and inexcusable and there are UN resolutions demanding the respect of the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus and declaring the illegality of your pseudo state.

Coups happened in Turkey as well. Many of them. So what? A coup is not an excuse for the Turkish invasion that killed 1000s, ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands, nor it is an excuse for Turkey to illegally occupy territory of Republic of Cyprus for 35 years.

So whats your point?? does it make the current situation dissapear into thin air?? No you still have to tackle and solve the Cyprus problem that Turkey had to inverne to secure a peaceful exsistence for all, no amount of resolutions and legalities wiill do it for you.

..."a peaceful existence for all" ? Well certainly very peaceful for the '000s murdered by The Jurkish Piss Operation. (may they all continue to rest in peace).

Hardly peaceful for us before Turkey arrived...the Gcs made the biggest mistake by wanting enosispiss and excluding a large portion of their "claimed" population.

Could you remind us again please VP where and when '000s of our northern friends were murdered by our southern compatriots in the days or months immediately preceding the Turkish Piss Operation?