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[Simon]

[quote]Poll: Turkish Cypriots reject Annan plan
By Jean Christou

OVER HALF of Turkish Cypriots say they would not vote for the 2004 Annan plan if it were put again to referendum, a poll in Kibris newspaper has revealed.

In 2004, over 63 per cent of Turkish Cypriots voted for the plan compared to only 24 per cent of Greek Cypriots.

According to the Kibris poll, carried out by KADEM, if they had to vote again, only 27.9 per cent of Turkish Cypriots would vote ‘yes’ while 15.1 per cent were undecided.

[size=18]Responding to the question: “what kind of a solution you want to the Cyprus problem?”, 62.6 per cent of the participants in the survey said they wanted “two completely separate independent states” while only 17.2 per cent supported a federation with a powerful central government.[/size]
This is the type of solution the two leaders are aiming for under the current negotiations.

Nearly ten per cent of Turkish Cypriots said they want the continuation of the current situation, while 3.2 per cent supported a confederation with a weak central government and 5.3 per cent were in favour of integration with Turkey.

Replying to a question on whether they believe that a solution would be reached during the negotiations between the two leaders, 55.9 per cent said they did not believe it possible, while 18.6 per cent said they did not have a strong belief it would happen. Nearly 16 per cent said they partly believed it was possible while only 6.4 per cent said they definitely believed it was possible.

Also, when it came to whether they supported the policy being followed by Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat, only 15.6 per cent said they fully supported it. Around 38 per cent said they partly supported him and over 27 per cent said they did not support him at all.

A second poll in Kibris said 63.5 per cent of Turkish Cypriots thought selling off Greek Cypriot properties was wrong.

In a section on personal circumstances, the poll found that 61 per cent thought they were worse off financially compared to a year ago.

The majority said they face difficulties in paying their debts. Some 64 per cent of tradesmen and craftsmen, and 58.3 per cent of the traders and industrialists face difficulties in paying their debts, they said. More than three in four Turkish Cypriots said they had reduced their personal spending because of the economic crisis.

During the last year 26.2 per cent remained unemployed and 4.2 per cent emigrated.




Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2009[/quote]


This is for anybody who doubts what the MAJORITY of Turkish Cypriots want. Unfortunately, TCs like Kikapu and Bir are in the minority. I fear that it is impossible to get a fair solution to this problem. I personally would prefer a separation proportioned at 82/18, rather than any confederation like the Annan Plan (or even worse, as it now appears that the TCs will not even accept this one-sided plan anymore).

[YFred]

Soimon, get a grip mate, 18/82 is not a viable option.
30/70 with maximum gcs in the north is.
You will see that the agreement will not be less than 25/75.

[Sotos]

Soimon, get a grip mate, 18/82 is not a viable option.
30/70 with maximum gcs in the north is.
You will see that the agreement will not be less than 25/75.

Why is not viable? You can't live without stealing?

[YFred]

Soimon, get a grip mate, 18/82 is not a viable option.
30/70 with maximum gcs in the north is.
You will see that the agreement will not be less than 25/75.

Why is not viable? You can't live without stealing?

Nobody is going to steal anything. Some land will be given back, most GC's will be able to return back to their homes and some will be componsated. How is that stealing?
Its a matter of working out, first what percentage to be given back, then how many GC will return and how many will be compensated. I think you will find that quite a few will want copensation. It gives maximum to everyone. Whats wrong with that?

[vaughanwilliams]

Soimon, get a grip mate, 18/82 is not a viable option.
30/70 with maximum gcs in the north is.
You will see that the agreement will not be less than 25/75.

Why is not viable? You can't live without stealing?

Nobody is going to steal anything. Some land will be given back, most GC's will be able to return back to their homes and some will be componsated. How is that stealing?
Its a matter of working out, first what percentage to be given back, then how many GC will return and how many will be compensated. I think you will find that quite a few will want copensation. It gives maximum to everyone. Whats wrong with that?

I'll tell you whats wrong with it as far as GCs are concerned - compensation, especially if it is paid at a governmental level and not at a face to face level, lacks all sense of payback or revenge. GCs don't want money - they've got more than they need. They want everyone in TRNC out in the street without a roof over their heads. Anything less and they will feel cheated of their humiliation of 1974 being transfered to the people of the TRNC.

[YFred]

Soimon, get a grip mate, 18/82 is not a viable option.
30/70 with maximum gcs in the north is.
You will see that the agreement will not be less than 25/75.

Why is not viable? You can't live without stealing?

Nobody is going to steal anything. Some land will be given back, most GC's will be able to return back to their homes and some will be componsated. How is that stealing?
Its a matter of working out, first what percentage to be given back, then how many GC will return and how many will be compensated. I think you will find that quite a few will want copensation. It gives maximum to everyone. Whats wrong with that?

I'll tell you whats wrong with it as far as GCs are concerned - compensation, especially if it is paid at a governmental level and not at a face to face level, lacks all sense of payback or revenge. GCs don't want money - they've got more than they need. They want everyone in TRNC out in the street without a roof over their heads. Anything less and they will feel cheated of their humiliation of 1974 being transfered to the people of the TRNC.

We now know that it was set at that level becasue it was RoC that was going to pay for it.
They are in for another dissapointment. RoC have not prepared their population for peace at all. Most GCs believe that it is possible to go back to 1960.
Unfortunately.

[paliometoxo]

Soimon, get a grip mate, 18/82 is not a viable option.
30/70 with maximum gcs in the north is.
You will see that the agreement will not be less than 25/75.

Why is not viable? You can't live without stealing?

Nobody is going to steal anything. Some land will be given back, most GC's will be able to return back to their homes and some will be componsated. How is that stealing?
Its a matter of working out, first what percentage to be given back, then how many GC will return and how many will be compensated. I think you will find that quite a few will want copensation. It gives maximum to everyone. Whats wrong with that?

I'll tell you whats wrong with it as far as GCs are concerned - compensation, especially if it is paid at a governmental level and not at a face to face level, lacks all sense of payback or revenge. GCs don't want money - they've got more than they need. They want everyone in TRNC out in the street without a roof over their heads. Anything less and they will feel cheated of their humiliation of 1974 being transfered to the people of the TRNC.

turks make up 18% and gcs make up the rest why should turks have more? thats stealing OUR land it should be 18/82. not 37% occupied OUR LAND

[Sotos]

Soimon, get a grip mate, 18/82 is not a viable option.
30/70 with maximum gcs in the north is.
You will see that the agreement will not be less than 25/75.

Why is not viable? You can't live without stealing?

Nobody is going to steal anything. Some land will be given back, most GC's will be able to return back to their homes and some will be componsated. How is that stealing?
Its a matter of working out, first what percentage to be given back, then how many GC will return and how many will be compensated. I think you will find that quite a few will want copensation. It gives maximum to everyone. Whats wrong with that?

I'll tell you whats wrong with it as far as GCs are concerned - compensation, especially if it is paid at a governmental level and not at a face to face level, lacks all sense of payback or revenge. GCs don't want money - they've got more than they need. They want everyone in TRNC out in the street without a roof over their heads. Anything less and they will feel cheated of their humiliation of 1974 being transfered to the people of the TRNC.

It is not about money you greedy foreigner. We know that you left your country and came to Cyprus just so you will take cheap land that was stolen from us! We are not criminals like you. We want to return to our homeland and our own homes because it is the land our ancestors lived for 1000s of years and we will not give it to any foreigners! If you want compensation then we agree to buy all the land you legally own at current market values!!

[Sotos]

Soimon, get a grip mate, 18/82 is not a viable option.
30/70 with maximum gcs in the north is.
You will see that the agreement will not be less than 25/75.

Why is not viable? You can't live without stealing?

Nobody is going to steal anything. Some land will be given back, most GC's will be able to return back to their homes and some will be componsated. How is that stealing?
Its a matter of working out, first what percentage to be given back, then how many GC will return and how many will be compensated. I think you will find that quite a few will want copensation. It gives maximum to everyone. Whats wrong with that?

I'll tell you whats wrong with it as far as GCs are concerned - compensation, especially if it is paid at a governmental level and not at a face to face level, lacks all sense of payback or revenge. GCs don't want money - they've got more than they need. They want everyone in TRNC out in the street without a roof over their heads. Anything less and they will feel cheated of their humiliation of 1974 being transfered to the people of the TRNC.

We now know that it was set at that level becasue it was RoC that was going to pay for it.
They are in for another dissapointment. RoC have not prepared their population for peace at all. Most GCs believe that it is possible to go back to 1960.
Unfortunately.

With "prepared for peace" you mean "prepared to give to you what you stole from us"? The two things are not the same. Peace means you give us back our land. No land back, no peace.

[YFred]

Soimon, get a grip mate, 18/82 is not a viable option.
30/70 with maximum gcs in the north is.
You will see that the agreement will not be less than 25/75.

Why is not viable? You can't live without stealing?

Nobody is going to steal anything. Some land will be given back, most GC's will be able to return back to their homes and some will be componsated. How is that stealing?
Its a matter of working out, first what percentage to be given back, then how many GC will return and how many will be compensated. I think you will find that quite a few will want copensation. It gives maximum to everyone. Whats wrong with that?

I'll tell you whats wrong with it as far as GCs are concerned - compensation, especially if it is paid at a governmental level and not at a face to face level, lacks all sense of payback or revenge. GCs don't want money - they've got more than they need. They want everyone in TRNC out in the street without a roof over their heads. Anything less and they will feel cheated of their humiliation of 1974 being transfered to the people of the TRNC.

It is not about money you greedy foreigner. We know that you left your country and came to Cyprus just so you will take cheap land that was stolen from us! We are not criminals like you. We want to return to our homeland and our own homes because it is the land our ancestors lived for 1000s of years and we will not give it to any foreigners! If you want compensation then we agree to buy all the land you legally own at current market values!!

That is a cheap trick.
How can you say things like that to VW after Britain welcomed upto half a million Cypriots.
You are welcome to buy any land you like so long as the person wishes to sell it. Nobody can force anybody to do anything outside of the agreement.
BTW that is the exact protection the TCs need from GCs otherwise they will be no TCs left in Cyprus. But than again thats what an average GC dreams about every night, isn't it?