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[Viewpoint]

Prove me with a credible evidence that private + state land ownership/share of TCs is 12.3%. According to TC soces it's around 29.2%.

There are no "TC sources" for that except for bollocks!

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... ge5105.htm

That is exactly what the Hellenist, propagandist, Prof. Dr. galimatias lover Gene Rossides claims. He has zero credibility.

When it comes to land on Cyprus, the Department of Land & Surveys is the ONLY credible organization worldwide.

So when do you plan to post your bollocks source so we can laugh at you?

Who is it run by??? GCs?

[Kikapu]

The other is called give and take.

You mean GCs to give and TCs to take so the TCs will go from 18% of land to 30%?

You either think you are so clever or you think I am stupid.
Let me explain.

Let us assume that I have 1 donum in the south worth 100,000 and you expect me to exchange that with 1 donum in Karpaz worth 1000. Who is stealing who's land?
You thieving sod.

Look fool, you were a MINORITY of 18% and only owned around 12% of land so any notion that you can “exchange” land with the Greek Cypriots is a joke.

To each his own Kochan…

Prove me with a credible evidence that private + state land ownership/share of TCs is 12.3%. According to TC soces it's around 29.2%.

Do the TC's have the DEEDS to prove this claim, or is it only because Annan Plan said so.?

I can see Insane scoring another "own goal" here.!

Pick-a-boo the staphilynoidea ; when Ottomans ceded Cyprus to Brits, the Ottoman muslim population constituted 1/3 of island population. Land belongs to Turkish Cypriots could not be less than %30 but could be more because before Brits take the rule of Cyprus, rulers were Ottoman Turks.

I think with this u scored a few dozens of goal into your own goal post

So, the simple answer to my question without all the other nonsense you wrote, the answer is NO, the TC's do not have DEEDS to prove their claim.!

Insane, if we were to take your silly reasoning, does that not mean then, that since before 1571 there were NO Ottomans in Cyprus, therefore all 100% of the land should go to the GC's.! Why do you arbitrarily only go back only as far as when the Brits came and the Ottos left.? Sorry Insane, but your reasoning is sillier than you I'm afraid. Either put up the proof of ownership or shut it up.!

Just one more point. If the Ottos were the occupiers of the whole island, why would there have been any reason to have direct ownership of any land. They believed they owned the whole island as conquerors, and when they left as losers, they lost the whole island. Perhaps only after the Brits arrived, that the remaining Ottos in Cyprus actually started owning land.....legally, or else the Brits would have given them their 30% from day one as you claimed. Man, which ever propaganda school you went to, must have passed out graduation diplomas like candy to kids. Do you ever stop and think in what you write:? That was a rhetorical question.!

Now, this really is an "OWN GOAL" with EPIC proportions.!:lol:

When did the serfs of Cyprus owned land before Ottomans? Egyptian era? Lusignan? Venetian? Only under Ottoman rule the serfs of Cyprus owned land which the then population of the serfs of Cyprus was around 60.000.

U got 100 more goals into ur own goal post pick-a-boo. On the other hand, u can be sure of that we both have titles and deeds; besides land registry records of 1945 cencus.

The only thing that counts today are the DEEDS of ownership and not the proportion of people in 1945 census or the 2009 census to determine how much land should go to whom. It is all about the ownership deeds. Now, either show them and claim your land or just shut up. No court in the world will accept your silly argument and no GC is going to give their land to you that they have the deeds for. Blame the Ottomans for being kicked out by the Brits if you think that the TC's should get more land than they actually own with deeds in their hands.!

Sounds to me like, it is all the morally corrupt people who bought stolen GC land is making this cockamamie stories about what the Ottos owned in the "Good o'l Days".!

[Viewpoint]

Some will get their land back some will get financial compensation..or an offer of alternative land in the south people should start waking up to these facts.

[insan]

The other is called give and take.

You mean GCs to give and TCs to take so the TCs will go from 18% of land to 30%?

You either think you are so clever or you think I am stupid.
Let me explain.

Let us assume that I have 1 donum in the south worth 100,000 and you expect me to exchange that with 1 donum in Karpaz worth 1000. Who is stealing who's land?
You thieving sod.

Look fool, you were a MINORITY of 18% and only owned around 12% of land so any notion that you can “exchange” land with the Greek Cypriots is a joke.

To each his own Kochan…

Prove me with a credible evidence that private + state land ownership/share of TCs is 12.3%. According to TC soces it's around 29.2%.

Do the TC's have the DEEDS to prove this claim, or is it only because Annan Plan said so.?

I can see Insane scoring another "own goal" here.!

Pick-a-boo the staphilynoidea ; when Ottomans ceded Cyprus to Brits, the Ottoman muslim population constituted 1/3 of island population. Land belongs to Turkish Cypriots could not be less than %30 but could be more because before Brits take the rule of Cyprus, rulers were Ottoman Turks.

I think with this u scored a few dozens of goal into your own goal post

So, the simple answer to my question without all the other nonsense you wrote, the answer is NO, the TC's do not have DEEDS to prove their claim.!

Insane, if we were to take your silly reasoning, does that not mean then, that since before 1571 there were NO Ottomans in Cyprus, therefore all 100% of the land should go to the GC's.! Why do you arbitrarily only go back only as far as when the Brits came and the Ottos left.? Sorry Insane, but your reasoning is sillier than you I'm afraid. Either put up the proof of ownership or shut it up.!

Just one more point. If the Ottos were the occupiers of the whole island, why would there have been any reason to have direct ownership of any land. They believed they owned the whole island as conquerors, and when they left as losers, they lost the whole island. Perhaps only after the Brits arrived, that the remaining Ottos in Cyprus actually started owning land.....legally, or else the Brits would have given them their 30% from day one as you claimed. Man, which ever propaganda school you went to, must have passed out graduation diplomas like candy to kids. Do you ever stop and think in what you write:? That was a rhetorical question.!

Now, this really is an "OWN GOAL" with EPIC proportions.!:lol:

When did the serfs of Cyprus owned land before Ottomans? Egyptian era? Lusignan? Venetian? Only under Ottoman rule the serfs of Cyprus owned land which the then population of the serfs of Cyprus was around 60.000.

U got 100 more goals into ur own goal post pick-a-boo. On the other hand, u can be sure of that we both have titles and deeds; besides land registry records of 1945 cencus.

The only thing that counts today are the DEEDS of ownership and not the proportion of people in 1945 census or the 2009 census to determine how much land should go to whom. It is all about the ownership deeds. Now, either show them and claim your land or just shut up. No court in the world will accept your silly argument and no GC is going to give their land to you that they have the deeds for. Blame the Ottomans for being kicked out by the Brits if you think that the TC's should get more land than they actually own with deeds in their hands.!

Sounds to me like, it is all the morally corrupt people who bought stolen GC land is making this cockamamie stories about what the Ottos owned in the "Good o'l Days".!

It is Talat who proposed the establishment of a bi-communal property commission just a few days ago. Let's see the deeds then...

[Kikapu]

An independent committee can evaluate and decide claims, but Im pretty certain GCs would be against this?

Do you want a committee to decide if your house legally belongs to you or not.?

I'm sure, as soon as you provide the proof what they need from you, the deeds, it will be determined that that house belongs to you, so let the committee check everyone’s deeds.!

You will agree to this arrangement, right. VP.?

As long as it is independent and examines throughly claims this will be OK by the TCs.

Examine what thoroughly exactly. Don't you not believe that the deeds to your house are real deeds.? All real deeds are RoC issued with registration to prove it. The only time there needs to be any investigation, is when more than one person makes a claim to the same piece of land. At that point, the one with the original and authentic deed gets the land, and the other goes to jail for trying to commit fraud.!

[Kikapu]

The other is called give and take.

You mean GCs to give and TCs to take so the TCs will go from 18% of land to 30%?

You either think you are so clever or you think I am stupid.
Let me explain.

Let us assume that I have 1 donum in the south worth 100,000 and you expect me to exchange that with 1 donum in Karpaz worth 1000. Who is stealing who's land?
You thieving sod.

Look fool, you were a MINORITY of 18% and only owned around 12% of land so any notion that you can “exchange” land with the Greek Cypriots is a joke.

To each his own Kochan…

Prove me with a credible evidence that private + state land ownership/share of TCs is 12.3%. According to TC soces it's around 29.2%.

Do the TC's have the DEEDS to prove this claim, or is it only because Annan Plan said so.?

I can see Insane scoring another "own goal" here.!

Pick-a-boo the staphilynoidea ; when Ottomans ceded Cyprus to Brits, the Ottoman muslim population constituted 1/3 of island population. Land belongs to Turkish Cypriots could not be less than %30 but could be more because before Brits take the rule of Cyprus, rulers were Ottoman Turks.

I think with this u scored a few dozens of goal into your own goal post

So, the simple answer to my question without all the other nonsense you wrote, the answer is NO, the TC's do not have DEEDS to prove their claim.!

Insane, if we were to take your silly reasoning, does that not mean then, that since before 1571 there were NO Ottomans in Cyprus, therefore all 100% of the land should go to the GC's.! Why do you arbitrarily only go back only as far as when the Brits came and the Ottos left.? Sorry Insane, but your reasoning is sillier than you I'm afraid. Either put up the proof of ownership or shut it up.!

Just one more point. If the Ottos were the occupiers of the whole island, why would there have been any reason to have direct ownership of any land. They believed they owned the whole island as conquerors, and when they left as losers, they lost the whole island. Perhaps only after the Brits arrived, that the remaining Ottos in Cyprus actually started owning land.....legally, or else the Brits would have given them their 30% from day one as you claimed. Man, which ever propaganda school you went to, must have passed out graduation diplomas like candy to kids. Do you ever stop and think in what you write:? That was a rhetorical question.!

Now, this really is an "OWN GOAL" with EPIC proportions.!:lol:

When did the serfs of Cyprus owned land before Ottomans? Egyptian era? Lusignan? Venetian? Only under Ottoman rule the serfs of Cyprus owned land which the then population of the serfs of Cyprus was around 60.000.

U got 100 more goals into ur own goal post pick-a-boo. On the other hand, u can be sure of that we both have titles and deeds; besides land registry records of 1945 cencus.

The only thing that counts today are the DEEDS of ownership and not the proportion of people in 1945 census or the 2009 census to determine how much land should go to whom. It is all about the ownership deeds. Now, either show them and claim your land or just shut up. No court in the world will accept your silly argument and no GC is going to give their land to you that they have the deeds for. Blame the Ottomans for being kicked out by the Brits if you think that the TC's should get more land than they actually own with deeds in their hands.!

Sounds to me like, it is all the morally corrupt people who bought stolen GC land is making this cockamamie stories about what the Ottos owned in the "Good o'l Days".!

It is Talat who proposed the establishment of a bi-communal property commission just a few days ago. Let's see the deeds then...

It is you who is claiming that the TC's own 29+ %, so go ahead and present the deeds to Talat.!

Just make sure they are RoC issued deeds. No monopoly game type of deeds are acceptable by the RoC, even if Talat accepts them.!

[Viewpoint]

An independent committee can evaluate and decide claims, but Im pretty certain GCs would be against this?

Do you want a committee to decide if your house legally belongs to you or not.?

I'm sure, as soon as you provide the proof what they need from you, the deeds, it will be determined that that house belongs to you, so let the committee check everyone’s deeds.!

You will agree to this arrangement, right. VP.?

As long as it is independent and examines throughly claims this will be OK by the TCs.

Examine what thoroughly exactly. Don't you not believe that the deeds to your house are real deeds.? All real deeds are RoC issued with registration to prove it. The only time there needs to be any investigation, is when more than one person makes a claim to the same piece of land. At that point, the one with the original and authentic deed gets the land, and the other goes to jail for trying to commit fraud.!

I am willing to have my deeds checked why not everyone? what have people got to hide...the "RoC" only lasted 3 years so all claims should be checked so that no one is left with any suspicians of manipulation or fraud.

[insan]

The other is called give and take.

You mean GCs to give and TCs to take so the TCs will go from 18% of land to 30%?

You either think you are so clever or you think I am stupid.
Let me explain.

Let us assume that I have 1 donum in the south worth 100,000 and you expect me to exchange that with 1 donum in Karpaz worth 1000. Who is stealing who's land?
You thieving sod.

Look fool, you were a MINORITY of 18% and only owned around 12% of land so any notion that you can “exchange” land with the Greek Cypriots is a joke.

To each his own Kochan…

Prove me with a credible evidence that private + state land ownership/share of TCs is 12.3%. According to TC soces it's around 29.2%.

Do the TC's have the DEEDS to prove this claim, or is it only because Annan Plan said so.?

I can see Insane scoring another "own goal" here.!

Pick-a-boo the staphilynoidea ; when Ottomans ceded Cyprus to Brits, the Ottoman muslim population constituted 1/3 of island population. Land belongs to Turkish Cypriots could not be less than %30 but could be more because before Brits take the rule of Cyprus, rulers were Ottoman Turks.

I think with this u scored a few dozens of goal into your own goal post

So, the simple answer to my question without all the other nonsense you wrote, the answer is NO, the TC's do not have DEEDS to prove their claim.!

Insane, if we were to take your silly reasoning, does that not mean then, that since before 1571 there were NO Ottomans in Cyprus, therefore all 100% of the land should go to the GC's.! Why do you arbitrarily only go back only as far as when the Brits came and the Ottos left.? Sorry Insane, but your reasoning is sillier than you I'm afraid. Either put up the proof of ownership or shut it up.!

Just one more point. If the Ottos were the occupiers of the whole island, why would there have been any reason to have direct ownership of any land. They believed they owned the whole island as conquerors, and when they left as losers, they lost the whole island. Perhaps only after the Brits arrived, that the remaining Ottos in Cyprus actually started owning land.....legally, or else the Brits would have given them their 30% from day one as you claimed. Man, which ever propaganda school you went to, must have passed out graduation diplomas like candy to kids. Do you ever stop and think in what you write:? That was a rhetorical question.!

Now, this really is an "OWN GOAL" with EPIC proportions.!:lol:

When did the serfs of Cyprus owned land before Ottomans? Egyptian era? Lusignan? Venetian? Only under Ottoman rule the serfs of Cyprus owned land which the then population of the serfs of Cyprus was around 60.000.

U got 100 more goals into ur own goal post pick-a-boo. On the other hand, u can be sure of that we both have titles and deeds; besides land registry records of 1945 cencus.

The only thing that counts today are the DEEDS of ownership and not the proportion of people in 1945 census or the 2009 census to determine how much land should go to whom. It is all about the ownership deeds. Now, either show them and claim your land or just shut up. No court in the world will accept your silly argument and no GC is going to give their land to you that they have the deeds for. Blame the Ottomans for being kicked out by the Brits if you think that the TC's should get more land than they actually own with deeds in their hands.!

Sounds to me like, it is all the morally corrupt people who bought stolen GC land is making this cockamamie stories about what the Ottos owned in the "Good o'l Days".!

It is Talat who proposed the establishment of a bi-communal property commission just a few days ago. Let's see the deeds then...

It is you who is claiming that the TC's own 29+ %, so go ahead and present the deeds to Talat.!

Just make sure they are RoC issued deeds. No monopoly game type of deeds are acceptable by the RoC, even if Talat accepts them.!

Sure... Sure.. They will all be Roc issued deeds but not "RoC" issued, garbled deeds. All will be revealed. Sure... Sure...

[Piratis]

An independent committee can evaluate and decide claims, but Im pretty certain GCs would be against this?

Do you want a committee to decide if your house legally belongs to you or not.?

I'm sure, as soon as you provide the proof what they need from you, the deeds, it will be determined that that house belongs to you, so let the committee check everyone’s deeds.!

You will agree to this arrangement, right. VP.?

As long as it is independent and examines throughly claims this will be OK by the TCs.

Examine what thoroughly exactly. Don't you not believe that the deeds to your house are real deeds.? All real deeds are RoC issued with registration to prove it. The only time there needs to be any investigation, is when more than one person makes a claim to the same piece of land. At that point, the one with the original and authentic deed gets the land, and the other goes to jail for trying to commit fraud.!

I am willing to have my deeds checked why not everyone? what have people got to hide...the "RoC" only lasted 3 years so all claims should be checked so that no one is left with any suspicians of manipulation or fraud.

Who said that RoC only lasted for 3 years? You?

The UN were RoC is a member, and EU which RoC joined in 2004, don't agree with you.

Republic of Cyprus is the one and only state in Cyprus and the one and only authority to issue title deeds. If you have any complaints against RoC in this respect then feel free to go to the ECHR about it.

[paliometoxo]

5 vlakes so far who want partition..GO HOME TO TURKEY IF YOU WANT TO SPLIT OUR ISLAND INTO TWO..

ITs not enough what they are doing in germany pushing islam and turkishness on everyone trying to change laws to turkify everything..

"turkey is the worlds cancer"