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[DT.]

Just showed on Mega news a tc that lives in the Govt controlled area where he was asked how he rates Christofias so far.

"Christofias is doing his best to solve it but that Pseudogovt over there and talat...when he speaks in 10 tongues you're not sure which to believe!"

[miltiades]

And we are doing even better even though you stole 1/3rd of our land and made 200.000 of us refugees! And sorry for pressing you to give us back what you stole from us. We should have let you enjoy what you stole

Nice rhetoric Sotos but could you answer my questions above, please?
Are GCs better off?
Do GCs have difficulty paying their debts?
Is unemployment not high and getting higher?
Have GCs stopped emigrating?

Are you really suggesting that the economic situation in the RoC is similar to that of the occupied north ?

People through out Europe right now ARE having financial difficulties as a result of the credit crunch , I think on balance the Cypriots are managing quite well , bear in mind that in 1974 faced with almost 200 thousand refugees and an economy in tatters their resolve to overcome severe difficulties succeeded in quickly re establishing an economic recovery which was interpreted by the International world as miraculous.

The unemployment figures are the lowest in Europe , no problem there and as for emigration , what emigration mate ,Cypriots are returning to Cyprus in droves not leaving Cyprus.
ps. I do hope that unlike a lot of brain dead Brits you bought your property in the north in a proper manner !!

Miltiades,
You must be a little fairer with your answer please.
You missed out that since the separation, GC's received every single bit of aid, investment and any other help you can think of. Whilst the TCs received jack shit if you pardon the expression as well as being suffocated with love.
So please let us have no comparisons as to who is better at what. When the playing fields are equal, you will find most Cypriots are very imaginative in creating wealth.
Judging by the responses to this thread in an exam situation most would get a F with the exception of you and VW.

Now the real question is which option would be best so Cyprus remains united.

The obvious one is the 3rd choice; it would balance the economies and give TCs security and economic prosperity.

First choice will make TCs join Turkey.
Second Choice will make the north economically non-viable
Fourth choice has a serious problem of going back to 63.

The best choice is the 3rd option.

Fred , I never insinuated that the T/Cs were not as acute and business minded as the G/Cs , Armenians etc are , indeed having dealt with T/Cs in my line of business I can say that they are as good as anyone when it comes to contacting business.
The fact is that while the numerically largest part of Cypriots , the G/Cs , had to endure the reality of losing all that they possessed , the T/Cs were in most cases given a roof over their heads and nothing else while the G/Cs had to transgress from living in tents to decent housing .
Both the G/Cs and the T/Cs are as far as I'm concerned equally good business people , in fact if you look at the UK you will find numerous T/Cs who are extremely good at what they are doing.
The T/Cs are unfortunately at a disadvantage position since the "trnc" is not recognised Internationally , it is unlikely that it ever will and it is "infested " with 3rd world citizens from Anatolia who naturally do not possess the business flair that is needed to keep the economy running.
Make no mistake Fred , that given the fact that Turkey IS in control of the north no economic progress can begin, sanctions or not .
Many T/Cs are now realizing that their prosperity and their future can only be within a united Cyprus where they will have the same opportunities and enhancements to create for them selves a respectable financial position.

[Viewpoint]

And we are doing even better even though you stole 1/3rd of our land and made 200.000 of us refugees! And sorry for pressing you to give us back what you stole from us. We should have let you enjoy what you stole

Just as soon as you give us back our rights and agree a new structure that will not allow you to dominate discriminate or control TCs.

[christos1]

And we are doing even better even though you stole 1/3rd of our land and made 200.000 of us refugees! And sorry for pressing you to give us back what you stole from us. We should have let you enjoy what you stole

Nice rhetoric Sotos but could you answer my questions above, please?
Are GCs better off?
Do GCs have difficulty paying their debts?
Is unemployment not high and getting higher?
Have GCs stopped emigrating?

Are you really suggesting that the economic situation in the RoC is similar to that of the occupied north ?

People through out Europe right now ARE having financial difficulties as a result of the credit crunch , I think on balance the Cypriots are managing quite well , bear in mind that in 1974 faced with almost 200 thousand refugees and an economy in tatters their resolve to overcome severe difficulties succeeded in quickly re establishing an economic recovery which was interpreted by the International world as miraculous.

The unemployment figures are the lowest in Europe , no problem there and as for emigration , what emigration mate ,Cypriots are returning to Cyprus in droves not leaving Cyprus.
ps. I do hope that unlike a lot of brain dead Brits you bought your property in the north in a proper manner !!

Miltiades,
You must be a little fairer with your answer please.
You missed out that since the separation, GC's received every single bit of aid, investment and any other help you can think of. Whilst the TCs received jack shit if you pardon the expression as well as being suffocated with love.
So please let us have no comparisons as to who is better at what. When the playing fields are equal, you will find most Cypriots are very imaginative in creating wealth.
Judging by the responses to this thread in an exam situation most would get a F with the exception of you and VW.

Now the real question is which option would be best so Cyprus remains united.

The obvious one is the 3rd choice; it would balance the economies and give TCs security and economic prosperity.

First choice will make TCs join Turkey.
Second Choice will make the north economically non-viable
Fourth choice has a serious problem of going back to 63.

The best choice is the 3rd option.

Fred , I never insinuated that the T/Cs were not as acute and business minded as the G/Cs ,.

TCs are a very sensitive folk Milti.

I will show you how you butter them up.

TCs are, in fact, BETTER business minded people. This is true! Who else sells property thats not theirs and gets away with it? Always compliment them, always tell them they are the best. Friendship is a 2 way street where you bend over and in return the TCs like to receive all the plaudits. Now if you were a Turk and you stated that TCs weren't a business minded people, the TCs wouldnt care. Sort of like the black people in the States where they can call each other my nigga but are offended if a white person calls them that. Its not the white man's world anymore and to the TC's your nothing but the "man" who is bringing them down.

Cheers.

[Kikapu]

The other is called give and take.

You mean GCs to give and TCs to take so the TCs will go from 18% of land to 30%?

You either think you are so clever or you think I am stupid.
Let me explain.

Let us assume that I have 1 donum in the south worth 100,000 and you expect me to exchange that with 1 donum in Karpaz worth 1000. Who is stealing who's land?
You thieving sod.

Look fool, you were a MINORITY of 18% and only owned around 12% of land so any notion that you can “exchange” land with the Greek Cypriots is a joke.

To each his own Kochan…

Prove me with a credible evidence that private + state land ownership/share of TCs is 12.3%. According to TC soces it's around 29.2%.

Do the TC's have the DEEDS to prove this claim, or is it only because Annan Plan said so.?

I can see Insane scoring another "own goal" here.!

[bill cobbett]

May I just say that some plonker said earlier ( I forget who ) that this was a "partitionist forum". Well this poll to date has shown an overwhelming number of us support a restoration of a Unitary Republic without internal division.

The small number of members who voted otherwise, who would make concessions to the Occupation Regime, in any way, are the Real Partitionists.

[insan]

The other is called give and take.

You mean GCs to give and TCs to take so the TCs will go from 18% of land to 30%?

You either think you are so clever or you think I am stupid.
Let me explain.

Let us assume that I have 1 donum in the south worth 100,000 and you expect me to exchange that with 1 donum in Karpaz worth 1000. Who is stealing who's land?
You thieving sod.

Look fool, you were a MINORITY of 18% and only owned around 12% of land so any notion that you can “exchange” land with the Greek Cypriots is a joke.

To each his own Kochan…

Prove me with a credible evidence that private + state land ownership/share of TCs is 12.3%. According to TC soces it's around 29.2%.

Do the TC's have the DEEDS to prove this claim, or is it only because Annan Plan said so.?

I can see Insane scoring another "own goal" here.!

Pick-a-boo the staphilynoidea ; when Ottomans ceded Cyprus to Brits, the Ottoman muslim population constituted 1/3 of island population. Land belongs to Turkish Cypriots could not be less than %30 but could be more because before Brits take the rule of Cyprus, rulers were Ottoman Turks.

I think with this u scored a few dozens of goal into your own goal post

[paliometoxo]

well ottomans rented cyprus to england and the cypritos and britain where to pay X amount to the ottomans to rent cyprus, but when the ottomans sided with germany over england in world war 2 then britain took it all from the otomans and offerd cyprus to greece enosis if greece helped england in the war which greece rejected..

but ottomans took cyprus by force when they came to cyprus killing thousands of gcs and catholics and they by force yet again managed to take control of cyprus just like the turks today are trying but this time they are trying for half the island and control of all of the island like a re unified but not re unified land, their own state and control of what gcs do in the south aswell...

if today there is partition then the troops would have to pull back to 19% of the island or is it 20?

[miltiades]

And we are doing even better even though you stole 1/3rd of our land and made 200.000 of us refugees! And sorry for pressing you to give us back what you stole from us. We should have let you enjoy what you stole

Nice rhetoric Sotos but could you answer my questions above, please?
Are GCs better off?
Do GCs have difficulty paying their debts?
Is unemployment not high and getting higher?
Have GCs stopped emigrating?

Are you really suggesting that the economic situation in the RoC is similar to that of the occupied north ?

People through out Europe right now ARE having financial difficulties as a result of the credit crunch , I think on balance the Cypriots are managing quite well , bear in mind that in 1974 faced with almost 200 thousand refugees and an economy in tatters their resolve to overcome severe difficulties succeeded in quickly re establishing an economic recovery which was interpreted by the International world as miraculous.

The unemployment figures are the lowest in Europe , no problem there and as for emigration , what emigration mate ,Cypriots are returning to Cyprus in droves not leaving Cyprus.
ps. I do hope that unlike a lot of brain dead Brits you bought your property in the north in a proper manner !!

Miltiades,
You must be a little fairer with your answer please.
You missed out that since the separation, GC's received every single bit of aid, investment and any other help you can think of. Whilst the TCs received jack shit if you pardon the expression as well as being suffocated with love.
So please let us have no comparisons as to who is better at what. When the playing fields are equal, you will find most Cypriots are very imaginative in creating wealth.
Judging by the responses to this thread in an exam situation most would get a F with the exception of you and VW.

Now the real question is which option would be best so Cyprus remains united.

The obvious one is the 3rd choice; it would balance the economies and give TCs security and economic prosperity.

First choice will make TCs join Turkey.
Second Choice will make the north economically non-viable
Fourth choice has a serious problem of going back to 63.

The best choice is the 3rd option.

Fred , I never insinuated that the T/Cs were not as acute and business minded as the G/Cs ,.

TCs are a very sensitive folk Milti.

I will show you how you butter them up.

TCs are, in fact, BETTER business minded people. This is true! Who else sells property thats not theirs and gets away with it? Always compliment them, always tell them they are the best. Friendship is a 2 way street where you bend over and in return the TCs like to receive all the plaudits. Now if you were a Turk and you stated that TCs weren't a business minded people, the TCs wouldnt care. Sort of like the black people in the States where they can call each other my nigga but are offended if a white person calls them that. Its not the white man's world anymore and to the TC's your nothing but the "man" who is bringing them down.

Cheers.

You are making one big mistake !
Miltiades has been on this forum for almost 3 years and with some 8000 posts to his name. No one can say that I have ever subdued my self in any way or form in order to appease either an individual or a widely accepted position regarding the Cyprus issue. You have to learn in order to criticize so do a little research and you will find that I have incessantly been consistent and forthright with my views .
Over the years I have come to know many T/Cs as a result mostly of my business which brings me into daily contact with them. I have said before and I will say it again. I have never over the years met a T/C that displayed even the slightest amount of hatred either towards my person or indeed against the G/Cs. In my extended family we have a T/C , having known him for over 30 years and having met his family , the T/C one - he married my English sister in law's sister - on numerous occasions at various family events I can say without a shadow of a doubt that these people that we call T/Cs are the exact same to us , the G/Cs. Same culture same self respect , integrity , family commitment , aspirations and above all same dream , to be able to live in the country we call Cyprus as one people free from fear intimidation exploitation and in full control of their destiny and that of their future generations .

I have challenged a good many on this forum , G/Cs as well as T/Cs , all those that aired dangerous and damaging views for Cyprus. Views such as some that we see posted on this thread.
There are those that think not with their brain but their arses , they fart and point the finger at some one else. One even suggested that the only way to remove the occupying troops from our shores was war .
Armchair generals sitting comfortably either in Cyprus or overseas spewing out garbage that unfortunately some on this forum endorse and swallow .

My position has never changed , Cyprus re united , one people one nationality one flag .To hell with the foreign cancers that have inflicted so much suffering on our people.

[Kikapu]

The other is called give and take.

You mean GCs to give and TCs to take so the TCs will go from 18% of land to 30%?

You either think you are so clever or you think I am stupid.
Let me explain.

Let us assume that I have 1 donum in the south worth 100,000 and you expect me to exchange that with 1 donum in Karpaz worth 1000. Who is stealing who's land?
You thieving sod.

Look fool, you were a MINORITY of 18% and only owned around 12% of land so any notion that you can “exchange” land with the Greek Cypriots is a joke.

To each his own Kochan…

Prove me with a credible evidence that private + state land ownership/share of TCs is 12.3%. According to TC soces it's around 29.2%.

Do the TC's have the DEEDS to prove this claim, or is it only because Annan Plan said so.?

I can see Insane scoring another "own goal" here.!

Pick-a-boo the staphilynoidea ; when Ottomans ceded Cyprus to Brits, the Ottoman muslim population constituted 1/3 of island population. Land belongs to Turkish Cypriots could not be less than %30 but could be more because before Brits take the rule of Cyprus, rulers were Ottoman Turks.

I think with this u scored a few dozens of goal into your own goal post

So, the simple answer to my question without all the other nonsense you wrote, the answer is NO, the TC's do not have DEEDS to prove their claim.!

Insane, if we were to take your silly reasoning, does that not mean then, that since before 1571 there were NO Ottomans in Cyprus, therefore all 100% of the land should go to the GC's.! Why do you arbitrarily only go back only as far as when the Brits came and the Ottos left.? Sorry Insane, but your reasoning is sillier than you I'm afraid. Either put up the proof of ownership or shut it up.!

Just one more point. If the Ottos were the occupiers of the whole island, why would there have been any reason to have direct ownership of any land. They believed they owned the whole island as conquerors, and when they left as losers, they lost the whole island. Perhaps only after the Brits arrived, that the remaining Ottos in Cyprus actually started owning land.....legally, or else the Brits would have given them their 30% from day one as you claimed. Man, which ever propaganda school you went to, must have passed out graduation diplomas like candy to kids. Do you ever stop and think in what you write:? That was a rhetorical question.!

Now, this really is an "OWN GOAL" with EPIC proportions.!:lol: