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[miltiades]

What absolute nonsense !!!
I suppose you think that EOKA got down on their knees and begged the T/Cs to join in !!!

It wasn't up to EOKA to force the TCs to join. They didn't force anyone to join, it was only for the bravest, most able, and most Cypriot! That's why they, despite opposition, succeeded ... quality not quantity!

If the TCs hadn't actively presented extra obstacles though, they would at least have been part of the majority of Cypriots who supported EOKA but were unable to join them.

Incidentally , Cyprus is also the native homeland of all Cypriots !

Yes but it is the ONLY native Homeland of Greek Cypriots! ... you may have to think about that (pre-wine).

It is obvious from your post regarding EOKA , that you really dont know much about what went on way back in 1955-59.
EOKA not only did not ask the T/Cs to join in the struggle for ENOSIS , yes the struggle was for ENOSIS , but did not even extend a request to the G/C Communists , ie AKEL . The struggle was a noble struggle the ultimate goal was misjudged as history now has shown.
The T/Cs lived amongst us and we lived peacefully for hundreds of years.
The notion that they are NOT part of the Cypriot nation is absurd , and those that support such nonsense are fools. How on earth can someone whose ancestors going back some 440 years not be a native of this island !! How many generations make up 440 years , 10 , 15 perhaps or even more and yet you consider that these Cypriots can not refer to Cyprus as their homeland !!
My views on those Cypriots who consider their motherland to be either Turkey or Greece are well known on this forum.
All Cypriots are equally entitled to call this nation their homeland , those that chose a foreign nation and reject the Cypriot entity they are clearly not.

Milt, can you give us an idea how many GC communists did EOKA kill before 1960.

Fred , in 1955 I was a 9 year old , my older brother was merely 16 years old . He joined EOKA a year or so after his 16th birthday , I joined ANE ,
Alkimos Neolea Eoka , youth movement of Eoka at the age of 12 .
I recall some hair raising experiences when my father and I went to look for my brother who was wanted by the British and was in hiding , it was Easter time and it was at the time when the British had suffered a number of attacks in remote bombs in the Paphos area. As a young boy I was , as most of other young boys at the time , very excited about EOKA and was looking forward in joining my brother as an EOKA fighter.
The leadership was very strict and VERY MORAL. The code of contact was of a very high standard and no deviations were tolerated.
I do not recall , and neither does my brother , of any action against innocent Cypriots because they were communists. Traitors were despised by all , quite natural given the circumstances.
I have recollections of real events that I experienced first hand , and I swear on the most sacred and precious things in my life , my grandchildren , that at no time did I feel that EOKA and their actions were anything but noble , I still feel the same today having lived through those years , having met many of my brothers fellow EOKA members at the time and having experienced a very personal and potent event , and the events that ensued , that I shall never forget and will never divulge but will take with me to my grave.
EOKA was a true liberation organization , no suicide bombers , no immoral and degrading acts , inspirational and noble .
The goal was misplaced but at the time it was the ultimate .

I once saw a video of an EOKA man explaining that they had given the communists a warning not to get involved otherwise the there would be killed. It is also known that the reason why GC did not join the British police because of the threats by EOKA.
Were you aware of any threats?

Yes , I know that EOKA had issued warnings to G/Cs in the Police force to resign from the British administered Cyprus Police force . I'm also aware that Grivas absolutely detested the communists having just come out of the civil war that engulfed Greece shortly after the end of WW2.
The British , faced with substantial shortages of police units , devised their now notorious divide and rule plan by employing T/Cs - epikourikous- auxiliary force , and that was really the start of the inter communal conflict . I witnessed it and lived through it.
The truth of the matter is that the British administration at the time have a great deal to answer for. Frankly they fucked it up believing that their actions were compatible with their role as a super power at the time.

[YFred]

What absolute nonsense !!!
I suppose you think that EOKA got down on their knees and begged the T/Cs to join in !!!

It wasn't up to EOKA to force the TCs to join. They didn't force anyone to join, it was only for the bravest, most able, and most Cypriot! That's why they, despite opposition, succeeded ... quality not quantity!

If the TCs hadn't actively presented extra obstacles though, they would at least have been part of the majority of Cypriots who supported EOKA but were unable to join them.

Incidentally , Cyprus is also the native homeland of all Cypriots !

Yes but it is the ONLY native Homeland of Greek Cypriots! ... you may have to think about that (pre-wine).

It is obvious from your post regarding EOKA , that you really dont know much about what went on way back in 1955-59.
EOKA not only did not ask the T/Cs to join in the struggle for ENOSIS , yes the struggle was for ENOSIS , but did not even extend a request to the G/C Communists , ie AKEL . The struggle was a noble struggle the ultimate goal was misjudged as history now has shown.
The T/Cs lived amongst us and we lived peacefully for hundreds of years.
The notion that they are NOT part of the Cypriot nation is absurd , and those that support such nonsense are fools. How on earth can someone whose ancestors going back some 440 years not be a native of this island !! How many generations make up 440 years , 10 , 15 perhaps or even more and yet you consider that these Cypriots can not refer to Cyprus as their homeland !!
My views on those Cypriots who consider their motherland to be either Turkey or Greece are well known on this forum.
All Cypriots are equally entitled to call this nation their homeland , those that chose a foreign nation and reject the Cypriot entity they are clearly not.

Milt, can you give us an idea how many GC communists did EOKA kill before 1960.

Fred , in 1955 I was a 9 year old , my older brother was merely 16 years old . He joined EOKA a year or so after his 16th birthday , I joined ANE ,
Alkimos Neolea Eoka , youth movement of Eoka at the age of 12 .
I recall some hair raising experiences when my father and I went to look for my brother who was wanted by the British and was in hiding , it was Easter time and it was at the time when the British had suffered a number of attacks in remote bombs in the Paphos area. As a young boy I was , as most of other young boys at the time , very excited about EOKA and was looking forward in joining my brother as an EOKA fighter.
The leadership was very strict and VERY MORAL. The code of contact was of a very high standard and no deviations were tolerated.
I do not recall , and neither does my brother , of any action against innocent Cypriots because they were communists. Traitors were despised by all , quite natural given the circumstances.
I have recollections of real events that I experienced first hand , and I swear on the most sacred and precious things in my life , my grandchildren , that at no time did I feel that EOKA and their actions were anything but noble , I still feel the same today having lived through those years , having met many of my brothers fellow EOKA members at the time and having experienced a very personal and potent event , and the events that ensued , that I shall never forget and will never divulge but will take with me to my grave.
EOKA was a true liberation organization , no suicide bombers , no immoral and degrading acts , inspirational and noble .
The goal was misplaced but at the time it was the ultimate .

I once saw a video of an EOKA man explaining that they had given the communists a warning not to get involved otherwise the there would be killed. It is also known that the reason why GC did not join the British police because of the threats by EOKA.
Were you aware of any threats?

Yes , I know that EOKA had issued warnings to G/Cs in the Police force to resign from the British administered Cyprus Police force . I'm also aware that Grivas absolutely detested the communists having just come out of the civil war that engulfed Greece shortly after the end of WW2.
The British , faced with substantial shortages of police units , devised their now notorious divide and rule plan by employing T/Cs - epikourikous- auxiliary force , and that was really the start of the inter communal conflict . I witnessed it and lived through it.
The truth of the matter is that the British administration at the time have a great deal to answer for. Frankly they fucked it up believing that their actions were compatible with their role as a super power at the time.

I know exactly the part the British played. What I was surprised about was the hatred towards the communists. One was given the choice of living with the Turks or the Communists and he said neither.

I knew about Grivas and his activities with the fascists in Greece. I was surprised about EOKA in Cyprus.

When you think about, why? was it not because they opposed ENOSIS.

[yialousa1971]

What absolute nonsense !!!
I suppose you think that EOKA got down on their knees and begged the T/Cs to join in !!!

It wasn't up to EOKA to force the TCs to join. They didn't force anyone to join, it was only for the bravest, most able, and most Cypriot! That's why they, despite opposition, succeeded ... quality not quantity!

If the TCs hadn't actively presented extra obstacles though, they would at least have been part of the majority of Cypriots who supported EOKA but were unable to join them.

Incidentally , Cyprus is also the native homeland of all Cypriots !

Yes but it is the ONLY native Homeland of Greek Cypriots! ... you may have to think about that (pre-wine).

It is obvious from your post regarding EOKA , that you really dont know much about what went on way back in 1955-59.
EOKA not only did not ask the T/Cs to join in the struggle for ENOSIS , yes the struggle was for ENOSIS , but did not even extend a request to the G/C Communists , ie AKEL . The struggle was a noble struggle the ultimate goal was misjudged as history now has shown.
The T/Cs lived amongst us and we lived peacefully for hundreds of years.
The notion that they are NOT part of the Cypriot nation is absurd , and those that support such nonsense are fools. How on earth can someone whose ancestors going back some 440 years not be a native of this island !! How many generations make up 440 years , 10 , 15 perhaps or even more and yet you consider that these Cypriots can not refer to Cyprus as their homeland !!
My views on those Cypriots who consider their motherland to be either Turkey or Greece are well known on this forum.
All Cypriots are equally entitled to call this nation their homeland , those that chose a foreign nation and reject the Cypriot entity they are clearly not.

Milt, can you give us an idea how many GC communists did EOKA kill before 1960.

Fred , in 1955 I was a 9 year old , my older brother was merely 16 years old . He joined EOKA a year or so after his 16th birthday , I joined ANE ,
Alkimos Neolea Eoka , youth movement of Eoka at the age of 12 .
I recall some hair raising experiences when my father and I went to look for my brother who was wanted by the British and was in hiding , it was Easter time and it was at the time when the British had suffered a number of attacks in remote bombs in the Paphos area. As a young boy I was , as most of other young boys at the time , very excited about EOKA and was looking forward in joining my brother as an EOKA fighter.
The leadership was very strict and VERY MORAL. The code of contact was of a very high standard and no deviations were tolerated.
I do not recall , and neither does my brother , of any action against innocent Cypriots because they were communists. Traitors were despised by all , quite natural given the circumstances.
I have recollections of real events that I experienced first hand , and I swear on the most sacred and precious things in my life , my grandchildren , that at no time did I feel that EOKA and their actions were anything but noble , I still feel the same today having lived through those years , having met many of my brothers fellow EOKA members at the time and having experienced a very personal and potent event , and the events that ensued , that I shall never forget and will never divulge but will take with me to my grave.
EOKA was a true liberation organization , no suicide bombers , no immoral and degrading acts , inspirational and noble .
The goal was misplaced but at the time it was the ultimate .

I once saw a video of an EOKA man explaining that they had given the communists a warning not to get involved otherwise the there would be killed. It is also known that the reason why GC did not join the British police because of the threats by EOKA.
Were you aware of any threats?

Yes , I know that EOKA had issued warnings to G/Cs in the Police force to resign from the British administered Cyprus Police force . I'm also aware that Grivas absolutely detested the communists having just come out of the civil war that engulfed Greece shortly after the end of WW2.
The British , faced with substantial shortages of police units , devised their now notorious divide and rule plan by employing T/Cs - epikourikous- auxiliary force , and that was really the start of the inter communal conflict . I witnessed it and lived through it.
The truth of the matter is that the British administration at the time have a great deal to answer for. Frankly they fucked it up believing that their actions were compatible with their role as a super power at the time.

I know exactly the part the British played. What I was surprised about was the hatred towards the communists. One was given the choice of living with the Turks or the Communists and he said neither.

I knew about Grivas and his activities with the fascists in Greece. I was surprised about EOKA in Cyprus.

When you think about, why? was it not because they opposed ENOSIS.

How is Grivas a Fascists when he fought both Italian and German Fascists, please explain your lies.