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[YFred]

What absolute nonsense !!!
I suppose you think that EOKA got down on their knees and begged the T/Cs to join in !!!

It wasn't up to EOKA to force the TCs to join. They didn't force anyone to join, it was only for the bravest, most able, and most Cypriot! That's why they, despite opposition, succeeded ... quality not quantity!

If the TCs hadn't actively presented extra obstacles though, they would at least have been part of the majority of Cypriots who supported EOKA but were unable to join them.

Incidentally , Cyprus is also the native homeland of all Cypriots !

Yes but it is the ONLY native Homeland of Greek Cypriots! ... you may have to think about that (pre-wine).

It is obvious from your post regarding EOKA , that you really dont know much about what went on way back in 1955-59.
EOKA not only did not ask the T/Cs to join in the struggle for ENOSIS , yes the struggle was for ENOSIS , but did not even extend a request to the G/C Communists , ie AKEL . The struggle was a noble struggle the ultimate goal was misjudged as history now has shown.
The T/Cs lived amongst us and we lived peacefully for hundreds of years.
The notion that they are NOT part of the Cypriot nation is absurd , and those that support such nonsense are fools. How on earth can someone whose ancestors going back some 440 years not be a native of this island !! How many generations make up 440 years , 10 , 15 perhaps or even more and yet you consider that these Cypriots can not refer to Cyprus as their homeland !!
My views on those Cypriots who consider their motherland to be either Turkey or Greece are well known on this forum.
All Cypriots are equally entitled to call this nation their homeland , those that chose a foreign nation and reject the Cypriot entity they are clearly not.

Milt, can you give us an idea how many GC communists did EOKA kill before 1960.

[Sotos]

We r struggling to free our native homeland Greek and GC occupying forces. 61% of our homeland is under occupation of Greek-GC duo. TCs will keep struggling to end the occupation of Greek-GC duo.

You're as stupid as they get. Without her indigenous people there is no Cyprus.

The Ottoman remnants can only call themselves “Turkish Cypriots” when standing next to Greek Cypriots, but if you take the Greek Cypriots away there are no Cypriots left.

There were no Cypriots or GCs in sense of a nation. If there was; first of all old wolf TPap beside Karamanlis and many more Greeks couldn't call u Greeks of Cyprus. First u must prove ur Cypriotness to ur own leaders and fathers in Greece. Then u can come and claim us to TCs how Cypriot or GC u r.

Who said anything about Nation. Cypriots belong to the Greek nation. You are foreigner to both Cyprus and the Greek nation. Mongoloids are native of Central and East Asia. Not to Cyprus!!

We r natives of Cyprus for 400+ years.

So you came to Cyprus in 1571 and by 1572 you were a native of Cyprus already? We were in Cyprus for 1000s of years before you even found out that there was such thing called Cyprus and then you say that Cyprus is not our homeland but it is yours?

How do u know that ur grand-grand dad wasn't one of those Ottomans married with ur native or just imported female slave grandma?

Because I know who my grand-grand dad was and he was no Ottoman If a Turkish Ottoman was married to a slave woman what do you think the language and religion of their children would be? You think the Turk would let his children to speak Greek and be Christian? If you want to find such people then you have to look into your own community

Owww Don't u know that there were converts and then reconverts? U lack of a lot of knowledge, Sotos.

I know but you don't seem to know yourself. Those who were converts were Christians who became Muslims because Ottomans treated Muslims better. And when the Ottomans were gone some of them reconverted back to Christians. Do you know any Turkish Ottoman that during Ottoman rule converted to Greek Christian? So maybe you should look at your own ancestors and see how many of them were Greek that turned to Muslims because of the Ottoman oppression.

[insan]

We r struggling to free our native homeland Greek and GC occupying forces. 61% of our homeland is under occupation of Greek-GC duo. TCs will keep struggling to end the occupation of Greek-GC duo.

You're as stupid as they get. Without her indigenous people there is no Cyprus.

The Ottoman remnants can only call themselves “Turkish Cypriots” when standing next to Greek Cypriots, but if you take the Greek Cypriots away there are no Cypriots left.

There were no Cypriots or GCs in sense of a nation. If there was; first of all old wolf TPap beside Karamanlis and many more Greeks couldn't call u Greeks of Cyprus. First u must prove ur Cypriotness to ur own leaders and fathers in Greece. Then u can come and claim us to TCs how Cypriot or GC u r.

Who said anything about Nation. Cypriots belong to the Greek nation. You are foreigner to both Cyprus and the Greek nation. Mongoloids are native of Central and East Asia. Not to Cyprus!!

We r natives of Cyprus for 400+ years.

So you came to Cyprus in 1571 and by 1572 you were a native of Cyprus already? We were in Cyprus for 1000s of years before you even found out that there was such thing called Cyprus and then you say that Cyprus is not our homeland but it is yours?

How do u know that ur grand-grand dad wasn't one of those Ottomans married with ur native or just imported female slave grandma?

Because I know who my grand-grand dad was and he was no Ottoman If a Turkish Ottoman was married to a slave woman what do you think the language and religion of their children would be? You think the Turk would let his children to speak Greek and be Christian? If you want to find such people then you have to look into your own community

Owww Don't u know that there were converts and then reconverts? U lack of a lot of knowledge, Sotos.

I know but you don't seem to know yourself. Those who were converts were Christians who became Muslims because Ottomans treated Muslims better. And when the Ottomans were gone some of them reconverted back to Christians. Do you know any Turkish Ottoman that during Ottoman rule converted to Greek Christian? So maybe you should look at your own ancestors and see how many of them were Greek that turned to Muslims because of the Ottoman oppression.

I don't mind whom my ancestors were. What matters for me is how i identify myself. Would u feel ashamed if u knew that ur grand grand dad was an Ottoman?

[Oracle]

We r struggling to free our native homeland Greek and GC occupying forces. 61% of our homeland is under occupation of Greek-GC duo. TCs will keep struggling to end the occupation of Greek-GC duo.

You're as stupid as they get. Without her indigenous people there is no Cyprus.

The Ottoman remnants can only call themselves “Turkish Cypriots” when standing next to Greek Cypriots, but if you take the Greek Cypriots away there are no Cypriots left.

There were no Cypriots or GCs in sense of a nation. If there was; first of all old wolf TPap beside Karamanlis and many more Greeks couldn't call u Greeks of Cyprus. First u must prove ur Cypriotness to ur own leaders and fathers in Greece. Then u can come and claim us to TCs how Cypriot or GC u r.

Who said anything about Nation. Cypriots belong to the Greek nation. You are foreigner to both Cyprus and the Greek nation. Mongoloids are native of Central and East Asia. Not to Cyprus!!

We r natives of Cyprus for 400+ years.

So you came to Cyprus in 1571 and by 1572 you were a native of Cyprus already? We were in Cyprus for 1000s of years before you even found out that there was such thing called Cyprus and then you say that Cyprus is not our homeland but it is yours?

How do u know that ur grand-grand dad wasn't one of those Ottomans married with ur native or just imported female slave grandma?

Because I know who my grand-grand dad was and he was no Ottoman If a Turkish Ottoman was married to a slave woman what do you think the language and religion of their children would be? You think the Turk would let his children to speak Greek and be Christian? If you want to find such people then you have to look into your own community

Owww Don't u know that there were converts and then reconverts? U lack of a lot of knowledge, Sotos.

I know but you don't seem to know yourself. Those who were converts were Christians who became Muslims because Ottomans treated Muslims better. And when the Ottomans were gone some of them reconverted back to Christians. Do you know any Turkish Ottoman that during Ottoman rule converted to Greek Christian? So maybe you should look at your own ancestors and see how many of them were Greek that turned to Muslims because of the Ottoman oppression.

I don't mind whom my ancestors were. What matters for me is how i identify myself. Would u feel ashamed if u knew that ur grand grand dad was an Ottoman?

You are a prime idiot.

If he has already told you he knows his grandfather, who are you, nasty Internet Cafe man, to quiz him on this?

Do you arrogantly think you know better about this? ... Like you think you know better, when all evidence, historical and otherwise, points to the fact that those who side with the Turks to this day, are a major constituent of the Turko-Ottomans? .... And by analogy NOT native to Cyprus!

[insan]

We r struggling to free our native homeland Greek and GC occupying forces. 61% of our homeland is under occupation of Greek-GC duo. TCs will keep struggling to end the occupation of Greek-GC duo.

You're as stupid as they get. Without her indigenous people there is no Cyprus.

The Ottoman remnants can only call themselves “Turkish Cypriots” when standing next to Greek Cypriots, but if you take the Greek Cypriots away there are no Cypriots left.

There were no Cypriots or GCs in sense of a nation. If there was; first of all old wolf TPap beside Karamanlis and many more Greeks couldn't call u Greeks of Cyprus. First u must prove ur Cypriotness to ur own leaders and fathers in Greece. Then u can come and claim us to TCs how Cypriot or GC u r.

Who said anything about Nation. Cypriots belong to the Greek nation. You are foreigner to both Cyprus and the Greek nation. Mongoloids are native of Central and East Asia. Not to Cyprus!!

We r natives of Cyprus for 400+ years.

So you came to Cyprus in 1571 and by 1572 you were a native of Cyprus already? We were in Cyprus for 1000s of years before you even found out that there was such thing called Cyprus and then you say that Cyprus is not our homeland but it is yours?

How do u know that ur grand-grand dad wasn't one of those Ottomans married with ur native or just imported female slave grandma?

Because I know who my grand-grand dad was and he was no Ottoman If a Turkish Ottoman was married to a slave woman what do you think the language and religion of their children would be? You think the Turk would let his children to speak Greek and be Christian? If you want to find such people then you have to look into your own community

Owww Don't u know that there were converts and then reconverts? U lack of a lot of knowledge, Sotos.

I know but you don't seem to know yourself. Those who were converts were Christians who became Muslims because Ottomans treated Muslims better. And when the Ottomans were gone some of them reconverted back to Christians. Do you know any Turkish Ottoman that during Ottoman rule converted to Greek Christian? So maybe you should look at your own ancestors and see how many of them were Greek that turned to Muslims because of the Ottoman oppression.

I don't mind whom my ancestors were. What matters for me is how i identify myself. Would u feel ashamed if u knew that ur grand grand dad was an Ottoman?

You are a prime idiot.

If he has already told you he knows his grandfather, who are you, nasty Internet Cafe man, to quiz him on this?

Do you arrogantly think you know better about this? ... Like you think you know better, when all evidence, historical and otherwise, points to the fact that those who side with the Turks to this day, are a major constituent of the Turko-Ottomans? .... And by analogy NOT native to Cyprus!

Oracles the pathetic lawyer strikes back with her well known galimatias.

[miltiades]

What absolute nonsense !!!
I suppose you think that EOKA got down on their knees and begged the T/Cs to join in !!!

It wasn't up to EOKA to force the TCs to join. They didn't force anyone to join, it was only for the bravest, most able, and most Cypriot! That's why they, despite opposition, succeeded ... quality not quantity!

If the TCs hadn't actively presented extra obstacles though, they would at least have been part of the majority of Cypriots who supported EOKA but were unable to join them.

Incidentally , Cyprus is also the native homeland of all Cypriots !

Yes but it is the ONLY native Homeland of Greek Cypriots! ... you may have to think about that (pre-wine).

It is obvious from your post regarding EOKA , that you really dont know much about what went on way back in 1955-59.
EOKA not only did not ask the T/Cs to join in the struggle for ENOSIS , yes the struggle was for ENOSIS , but did not even extend a request to the G/C Communists , ie AKEL . The struggle was a noble struggle the ultimate goal was misjudged as history now has shown.
The T/Cs lived amongst us and we lived peacefully for hundreds of years.
The notion that they are NOT part of the Cypriot nation is absurd , and those that support such nonsense are fools. How on earth can someone whose ancestors going back some 440 years not be a native of this island !! How many generations make up 440 years , 10 , 15 perhaps or even more and yet you consider that these Cypriots can not refer to Cyprus as their homeland !!
My views on those Cypriots who consider their motherland to be either Turkey or Greece are well known on this forum.
All Cypriots are equally entitled to call this nation their homeland , those that chose a foreign nation and reject the Cypriot entity they are clearly not.

Milt, can you give us an idea how many GC communists did EOKA kill before 1960.

Fred , in 1955 I was a 9 year old , my older brother was merely 16 years old . He joined EOKA a year or so after his 16th birthday , I joined ANE ,
Alkimos Neolea Eoka , youth movement of Eoka at the age of 12 .
I recall some hair raising experiences when my father and I went to look for my brother who was wanted by the British and was in hiding , it was Easter time and it was at the time when the British had suffered a number of attacks in remote bombs in the Paphos area. As a young boy I was , as most of other young boys at the time , very excited about EOKA and was looking forward in joining my brother as an EOKA fighter.
The leadership was very strict and VERY MORAL. The code of contact was of a very high standard and no deviations were tolerated.
I do not recall , and neither does my brother , of any action against innocent Cypriots because they were communists. Traitors were despised by all , quite natural given the circumstances.
I have recollections of real events that I experienced first hand , and I swear on the most sacred and precious things in my life , my grandchildren , that at no time did I feel that EOKA and their actions were anything but noble , I still feel the same today having lived through those years , having met many of my brothers fellow EOKA members at the time and having experienced a very personal and potent event , and the events that ensued , that I shall never forget and will never divulge but will take with me to my grave.
EOKA was a true liberation organization , no suicide bombers , no immoral and degrading acts , inspirational and noble .
The goal was misplaced but at the time it was the ultimate .

[Oracle]

What absolute nonsense !!!
I suppose you think that EOKA got down on their knees and begged the T/Cs to join in !!!

It wasn't up to EOKA to force the TCs to join. They didn't force anyone to join, it was only for the bravest, most able, and most Cypriot! That's why they, despite opposition, succeeded ... quality not quantity!

If the TCs hadn't actively presented extra obstacles though, they would at least have been part of the majority of Cypriots who supported EOKA but were unable to join them.

Incidentally , Cyprus is also the native homeland of all Cypriots !

Yes but it is the ONLY native Homeland of Greek Cypriots! ... you may have to think about that (pre-wine).

It is obvious from your post regarding EOKA , that you really dont know much about what went on way back in 1955-59.
EOKA not only did not ask the T/Cs to join in the struggle for ENOSIS , yes the struggle was for ENOSIS , but did not even extend a request to the G/C Communists , ie AKEL . The struggle was a noble struggle the ultimate goal was misjudged as history now has shown.
The T/Cs lived amongst us and we lived peacefully for hundreds of years.
The notion that they are NOT part of the Cypriot nation is absurd , and those that support such nonsense are fools. How on earth can someone whose ancestors going back some 440 years not be a native of this island !! How many generations make up 440 years , 10 , 15 perhaps or even more and yet you consider that these Cypriots can not refer to Cyprus as their homeland !!
My views on those Cypriots who consider their motherland to be either Turkey or Greece are well known on this forum.
All Cypriots are equally entitled to call this nation their homeland , those that chose a foreign nation and reject the Cypriot entity they are clearly not.

Milt, can you give us an idea how many GC communists did EOKA kill before 1960.

Fred , in 1955 I was a 9 year old , my older brother was merely 16 years old . He joined EOKA a year or so after his 16th birthday , I joined ANE ,
Alkimos Neolea Eoka , youth movement of Eoka at the age of 12 .
I recall some hair raising experiences when my father and I went to look for my brother who was wanted by the British and was in hiding , it was Easter time and it was at the time when the British had suffered a number of attacks in remote bombs in the Paphos area. As a young boy I was , as most of other young boys at the time , very excited about EOKA and was looking forward in joining my brother as an EOKA fighter.
The leadership was very strict and VERY MORAL. The code of contact was of a very high standard and no deviations were tolerated.
I do not recall , and neither does my brother , of any action against innocent Cypriots because they were communists. Traitors were despised by all , quite natural given the circumstances.
I have recollections of real events that I experienced first hand , and I swear on the most sacred and precious things in my life , my grandchildren , that at no time did I feel that EOKA and their actions were anything but noble , I still feel the same today having lived through those years , having met many of my brothers fellow EOKA members at the time and having experienced a very personal and potent event , and the events that ensued , that I shall never forget and will never divulge but will take with me to my grave.
EOKA was a true liberation organization , no suicide bombers , no immoral and degrading acts , inspirational and noble .
The goal was misplaced but at the time it was the ultimate .

Well I am thankful to you, for taking the time to write that. It is nice to hear that most Greek Cypriots are unanimous on the bravery of EOKA.

It makes it all the more potent, how different were the desires of the TCs .....

[YFred]

What absolute nonsense !!!
I suppose you think that EOKA got down on their knees and begged the T/Cs to join in !!!

It wasn't up to EOKA to force the TCs to join. They didn't force anyone to join, it was only for the bravest, most able, and most Cypriot! That's why they, despite opposition, succeeded ... quality not quantity!

If the TCs hadn't actively presented extra obstacles though, they would at least have been part of the majority of Cypriots who supported EOKA but were unable to join them.

Incidentally , Cyprus is also the native homeland of all Cypriots !

Yes but it is the ONLY native Homeland of Greek Cypriots! ... you may have to think about that (pre-wine).

It is obvious from your post regarding EOKA , that you really dont know much about what went on way back in 1955-59.
EOKA not only did not ask the T/Cs to join in the struggle for ENOSIS , yes the struggle was for ENOSIS , but did not even extend a request to the G/C Communists , ie AKEL . The struggle was a noble struggle the ultimate goal was misjudged as history now has shown.
The T/Cs lived amongst us and we lived peacefully for hundreds of years.
The notion that they are NOT part of the Cypriot nation is absurd , and those that support such nonsense are fools. How on earth can someone whose ancestors going back some 440 years not be a native of this island !! How many generations make up 440 years , 10 , 15 perhaps or even more and yet you consider that these Cypriots can not refer to Cyprus as their homeland !!
My views on those Cypriots who consider their motherland to be either Turkey or Greece are well known on this forum.
All Cypriots are equally entitled to call this nation their homeland , those that chose a foreign nation and reject the Cypriot entity they are clearly not.

Milt, can you give us an idea how many GC communists did EOKA kill before 1960.

Fred , in 1955 I was a 9 year old , my older brother was merely 16 years old . He joined EOKA a year or so after his 16th birthday , I joined ANE ,
Alkimos Neolea Eoka , youth movement of Eoka at the age of 12 .
I recall some hair raising experiences when my father and I went to look for my brother who was wanted by the British and was in hiding , it was Easter time and it was at the time when the British had suffered a number of attacks in remote bombs in the Paphos area. As a young boy I was , as most of other young boys at the time , very excited about EOKA and was looking forward in joining my brother as an EOKA fighter.
The leadership was very strict and VERY MORAL. The code of contact was of a very high standard and no deviations were tolerated.
I do not recall , and neither does my brother , of any action against innocent Cypriots because they were communists. Traitors were despised by all , quite natural given the circumstances.
I have recollections of real events that I experienced first hand , and I swear on the most sacred and precious things in my life , my grandchildren , that at no time did I feel that EOKA and their actions were anything but noble , I still feel the same today having lived through those years , having met many of my brothers fellow EOKA members at the time and having experienced a very personal and potent event , and the events that ensued , that I shall never forget and will never divulge but will take with me to my grave.
EOKA was a true liberation organization , no suicide bombers , no immoral and degrading acts , inspirational and noble .
The goal was misplaced but at the time it was the ultimate .

I once saw a video of an EOKA man explaining that they had given the communists a warning not to get involved otherwise the there would be killed. It is also known that the reason why GC did not join the British police because of the threats by EOKA.
Were you aware of any threats?

[Oracle]

[ It is also known that the reason why GC did not join the British police because of the threats by EOKA.
Were you aware of any threats?

The British wanted people of low intellect, whom thy could manipulate in the police force of that time. So they gave most of the jobs to illiterate money-hungry impressionable TCs.

The GCs on the whole were moving away from Brit-associations ....

[YFred]

[ It is also known that the reason why GC did not join the British police because of the threats by EOKA.
Were you aware of any threats?

The British wanted people of low intellect, whom thy could manipulate in the police force of that time. So they gave most of the jobs to illiterate money-hungry impressionable TCs.

The GCs on the whole were moving away from Brit-associations ....

You are a Manuella, you know nothing.

Sooner or later you will find out why GCs did not join the police. But I guess even if it hit you like a truck, you will not see it.
The blind cannot see.