Turkey and some t/c keep bringing up the events of 1963-1974 and really throw around the word genocide and ethnic cleansing qite loosely,however when the ICC issues a warrent for the president of Sudan who may be responsible for 300,000 deaths of his own countrymen Turkey defendes him.
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/worl ... sp?gid=244
Is it time for some one to call Turkey on the carpet for its behaviour?
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by boulio » Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:51 pm
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Re: Double standards
by insan » Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:01 pm
boulio wrote:Turkey and some t/c keep bringing up the events of 1963-1974 and really throw around the word genocide and ethnic cleansing qite loosely,however when the ICC issues a warrent for the president of Sudan who may be responsible for 300,000 deaths of his own countrymen Turkey defendes him.
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/worl ... sp?gid=244
Is it time for some one to call Turkey on the carpet for its behaviour?
Turkey does not defend him. Turkey defends to postpone his arrest for 2 years and not only Turkey but many security council members share the same opinion with Turkey. They believe that under the current circumstances, arrestment of the president of Sudan would worsen the situation in Sudan.
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by Piratis » Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:13 pm
You don't need to go to Sudan to see this. Turks killed 10s of thousands of Cypriots, 1.5 million Armenians, 10s of thousands of Kurds etc etc. According to them the killing of 10s of thousands and millions does not constitute a genocide, but when some 100s of Turks got killed during a conflict that they started, and during which they also killed 100s of Cypriots, is supposedly a genocide.
If there is somebody who should complain about genocide in Cyprus this are none else than the Cypriot people, who had 10s of thousands of innocents killed by the invading Turks. But we don't do this, because although 10s of thousands of people is a huge number, it still does not compare with the millions of Armenians or Jews that were killed.
The lies and exaggerations of Turks are so big that they are a disrespect to victims of real genocides, committed by the Turks, the Nazis and other fascists.
If there is somebody who should complain about genocide in Cyprus this are none else than the Cypriot people, who had 10s of thousands of innocents killed by the invading Turks. But we don't do this, because although 10s of thousands of people is a huge number, it still does not compare with the millions of Armenians or Jews that were killed.
The lies and exaggerations of Turks are so big that they are a disrespect to victims of real genocides, committed by the Turks, the Nazis and other fascists.
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by insan » Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:15 pm
Piratis wrote:You don't need to go to Sudan to see this. Turks killed 10s of thousands of Cypriots, 1.5 million Armenians, 10s of thousands of Kurds etc etc. According to them the killing of 10s of thousands and millions does not constitute a genocide, but when some 100s of Turks got killed during a conflict that they started, and during which they also killed 100s of Cypriots, is supposedly a genocide.
If there is somebody who should complain about genocide in Cyprus this are none else than the Cypriot people, who had 10s of thousands of innocents killed by the invading Turks. But we don't do this, because although 10s of thousands of people is a huge number, it still does not compare with the millions of Armenians or Jews that were killed.
The lies and exaggerations of Turks are so big that they are a disrespect to victims of real genocides, committed by the Turks, the Nazis and other fascists.
Eye witness Piratis spoke.
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by boulio » Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:18 pm
Turkey does not defend him. Turkey defends to postpone his arrest for 2 years and not only Turkey but many security council members share the same opinion with Turkey. They believe that under the current circumstances, arrestment of the president of Sudan would worsen the situation in Sudan
the security council refered to the ICC
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by insan » Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:26 pm
NY Times Reports ICC Approval for Warrant for Sudan's President Bashir
Africa Action Calls on US, UN to Support Accountability and Protection for Darfur
From: Africa Action
Thursday, February 12, 2009 (Washington, DC) - The judges of the International Criminal Court (ICC) will soon act on the prosecutor's request for an arrest warrant for Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir.
Their decision will likely add international legal weight to a long obvious truth - primary responsibility for the atrocities in Darfur rests with the regime that Bashir heads. Individual nations and the international community as a whole cannot continue to do business as usual with Bashir once he is an indicted war criminal. At a minimum, countries should not allow him to travel to their territory and should limit diplomatic interaction with him in Khartoum to efforts to end the crisis in Darfur and bring peace to all of Sudan. He should not be allowed to attend summits, international conferences or similar functions. A regime led by an indicted war criminal cannot possibly be treated as a full member of the community of nations. The international community must press Sudanese authorities to comply with their obligations to cooperate with the ICC, including executing all outstanding warrants.
The ICC decision will present both challenges and opportunities. The international community, led by the United States and other members of the United Nations Security Council, must first and foremost meet the challenges. It must make absolutely clear that the Government of Sudan will be held responsible for any preemptive or retaliatory action against civilians, humanitarian aid workers, or United Nations and Africa Union peacekeeping forces. The Security Council must explicitly identify severe consequences and employ them if necessary.
Likewise, the Government of Sudan must know that the Security Council will categorically reject any attempt to abandon or suspend the Comprehensive Peace Agreement (CPA) with the Government of South Sudan in retaliation for the ICC decision. The Security Council - led by its five permanent members and the seven non-permanent members who are parties to the ICC Statute - must resolve that it will not allow Khartoum to hold hostage the CPA, Sudanese civilians or the international operation to alleviate suffering caused by the Sudanese government.
The various Darfur rebel movements must also understand from the Security Council that any attempt to use the ICC decision as an excuse for offensive military action is unacceptable, will only result in greater suffering for the Darfuri people and will incur punitive measures. Rebels should be encouraged to come to the negotiating table to take part in a peace process that is better structured and managed than previous efforts. The rebels must know that they stand to gain nothing, and risk losing everything, if they take matters into their own hands.
While the Bashir arrest warrant will present challenges, it also will provide an opportunity for peace. The international community, led by the United States, must pursue a comprehensive, negotiated peace in Sudan that builds on the framework of the CPA and takes into account the needs and rights of all citizens. Ultimately, the problem of Darfur cannot be resolved unless the problem of Sudan is resolved.
For its part, the ruling National Congress Party (NCP) must take this opportunity to abandon its disastrous policies in Darfur and elsewhere and rehabilitate its relationships with the international community. For that to happen, it must end its attacks against civilians and its support for the janjaweed militias; cooperate fully with the UN-AU peacekeeping force (UNAMID); end impunity in Darfur; allow refugees and internally displaced persons to safely and voluntarily return home; negotiate in good faith with the rebel movements and Darfuri civil society to ensure equitable political rights and economic development; and fully implement the CPA. Any other course of action will lead only to greater isolation and further loss of legitimacy.
The ICC judges' decision to issue a warrant for President Bashir's arrest will provide a choice to the NCP, twenty years after it seized power in a military coup. It can choose to move backwards into chaos, destruction and increasing isolation for Sudan, or forward to peace, prosperity and full reintegration of Sudan into the community of nations. We hope it will choose the latter. But if it does not, we will fully support strong and immediate action to protect civilians and humanitarian aid operations throughout Sudan. The Security Council must give U.N. forces throughout Sudan better resources and more capable military personnel to ensure that they can protect themselves from provocations from either the government or rebels and provide much needed protection to civilians and humanitarian agencies.
http://us.oneworld.net/article/360192-a ... ans-bashir
Africa Action Calls on US, UN to Support Accountability and Protection for Darfur
From: Africa Action
Thursday, February 12, 2009 (Washington, DC) - The judges of the International Criminal Court (ICC) will soon act on the prosecutor's request for an arrest warrant for Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir.
Their decision will likely add international legal weight to a long obvious truth - primary responsibility for the atrocities in Darfur rests with the regime that Bashir heads. Individual nations and the international community as a whole cannot continue to do business as usual with Bashir once he is an indicted war criminal. At a minimum, countries should not allow him to travel to their territory and should limit diplomatic interaction with him in Khartoum to efforts to end the crisis in Darfur and bring peace to all of Sudan. He should not be allowed to attend summits, international conferences or similar functions. A regime led by an indicted war criminal cannot possibly be treated as a full member of the community of nations. The international community must press Sudanese authorities to comply with their obligations to cooperate with the ICC, including executing all outstanding warrants.
The ICC decision will present both challenges and opportunities. The international community, led by the United States and other members of the United Nations Security Council, must first and foremost meet the challenges. It must make absolutely clear that the Government of Sudan will be held responsible for any preemptive or retaliatory action against civilians, humanitarian aid workers, or United Nations and Africa Union peacekeeping forces. The Security Council must explicitly identify severe consequences and employ them if necessary.
Likewise, the Government of Sudan must know that the Security Council will categorically reject any attempt to abandon or suspend the Comprehensive Peace Agreement (CPA) with the Government of South Sudan in retaliation for the ICC decision. The Security Council - led by its five permanent members and the seven non-permanent members who are parties to the ICC Statute - must resolve that it will not allow Khartoum to hold hostage the CPA, Sudanese civilians or the international operation to alleviate suffering caused by the Sudanese government.
The various Darfur rebel movements must also understand from the Security Council that any attempt to use the ICC decision as an excuse for offensive military action is unacceptable, will only result in greater suffering for the Darfuri people and will incur punitive measures. Rebels should be encouraged to come to the negotiating table to take part in a peace process that is better structured and managed than previous efforts. The rebels must know that they stand to gain nothing, and risk losing everything, if they take matters into their own hands.
While the Bashir arrest warrant will present challenges, it also will provide an opportunity for peace. The international community, led by the United States, must pursue a comprehensive, negotiated peace in Sudan that builds on the framework of the CPA and takes into account the needs and rights of all citizens. Ultimately, the problem of Darfur cannot be resolved unless the problem of Sudan is resolved.
For its part, the ruling National Congress Party (NCP) must take this opportunity to abandon its disastrous policies in Darfur and elsewhere and rehabilitate its relationships with the international community. For that to happen, it must end its attacks against civilians and its support for the janjaweed militias; cooperate fully with the UN-AU peacekeeping force (UNAMID); end impunity in Darfur; allow refugees and internally displaced persons to safely and voluntarily return home; negotiate in good faith with the rebel movements and Darfuri civil society to ensure equitable political rights and economic development; and fully implement the CPA. Any other course of action will lead only to greater isolation and further loss of legitimacy.
The ICC judges' decision to issue a warrant for President Bashir's arrest will provide a choice to the NCP, twenty years after it seized power in a military coup. It can choose to move backwards into chaos, destruction and increasing isolation for Sudan, or forward to peace, prosperity and full reintegration of Sudan into the community of nations. We hope it will choose the latter. But if it does not, we will fully support strong and immediate action to protect civilians and humanitarian aid operations throughout Sudan. The Security Council must give U.N. forces throughout Sudan better resources and more capable military personnel to ensure that they can protect themselves from provocations from either the government or rebels and provide much needed protection to civilians and humanitarian agencies.
http://us.oneworld.net/article/360192-a ... ans-bashir
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by insan » Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:11 pm
shahmaran wrote:If that was the case then the "RoC" should have been hung a LONG time ago...
As usual Oracles the pathetic Turk hater ignore the facts regarding their crimes.
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by Sotos » Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:20 pm
shahmaran wrote:If that was the case then the "RoC" should have been hung a LONG time ago...
Yes because 1 Turk equals the whole world Ataturk said. So the Turks can kill millions but when the others defend themselves from the Turkish invaders and a few Turks get killed it is the worst crime ever 
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