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[halil]

The two leaders in Cyprus have completed their discussions on the property issue.

leaders who met again this morning – decided to refer the topic to their senior aides who will continue their talks on a range of issues.

The UN Special Representative on Cyprus Taye Brooke Zerihoun told reporters at the end today’s discussions – which lasted more than two hours – that the next meeting between the leaders will be held next Wednesday, the 11th of March.The next talks will be about EU .
Asked whether the two sides managed to narrow the gap between their positions, Mr Zerihoun said `there has been broad and substantive discussions on the issue`.
The discussions started at 10.00 o’clock in the morning with a
tete-a-tete meeting, which lasted more than an hour.

[paliometoxo]

so what where the results? i havent seen the news yet... what did they decide?

[Bananiot]

They decided to press on for solution because if Talat loses the elections we might as well kiss solution good bye.

[DT.]

They decided to press on for solution because if Talat loses the elections we might as well kiss solution good bye.

And if Eroglu gets voted in then the tc's have no idea what isolation really is.

[insan]

They decided to press on for solution because if Talat loses the elections we might as well kiss solution good bye.

Whomever is elected and get in to power does not matter Bananiot. They all have to represent the demands and wishes of TC community. Moreover, they have to establish a common policy with Turkey towards a solution. Furthermore, they have to take into consideration the common policy of the western alliance as well. Local representatives of TRNC have no power to go out of this concept. Even under current circumstances Turkey has no power to go out of this concept too.

[DT.]

They decided to press on for solution because if Talat loses the elections we might as well kiss solution good bye.

Whomever is elected and get in to power does not matter Bananiot. They all have to represent the demands and wishes of TC community. Moreover, they have to establish a common policy with Turkey towards a solution. Furthermore, they have to take into consideration the common policy of the western alliance as well. Local representatives of TRNC have no power to go out of this concept. Even under current circumstances Turkey has no power to go out of this concept too.

Insan stop deluding yourself and accept that tc policy is formed in Ankara. You'll be lucky if you get the ventriloquist dummy you voted for but I think the settlers will make their vote count more.

You don't have the voice, you probably won't even get to vote for the dummy that expresses that voice over there. Keep building your parliaments and presidential palaces to house these ventriloquist dummies....

[insan]

They decided to press on for solution because if Talat loses the elections we might as well kiss solution good bye.

Whomever is elected and get in to power does not matter Bananiot. They all have to represent the demands and wishes of TC community. Moreover, they have to establish a common policy with Turkey towards a solution. Furthermore, they have to take into consideration the common policy of the western alliance as well. Local representatives of TRNC have no power to go out of this concept. Even under current circumstances Turkey has no power to go out of this concept too.

Insan stop deluding yourself and accept that tc policy is formed in Ankara. You'll be lucky if you get the ventriloquist dummy you voted for but I think the settlers will make their vote count more.

You don't have the voice, you probably won't even get to vote for the dummy that expresses that voice over there. Keep building your parliaments and presidential palaces to house these ventriloquist dummies....

Obviously, u r deluding urself that TCs have no voice regarding the policy of Cyprob. I numerous times mentioned that when TCs first began opposing Enosis and GC domination the year was 1889. There was no Turkey, Ataturk was 8 years old. In 1923 when Turkey renounced her rights on Cyprus, TCs kept struggling against Enosis and GC domination. TCs have always had a louder voice than Turkish government regarding some critical aspects of Cyprus problem. U only acknowledged just one and that is Inonu-Kutchuk opposition.

[Bananiot]

Well, actually insan you are in agreement here with DT. You both believe that no matter who is elected nothing will change. I am not cynical like DT but on the contrary, I like to believe that I am very pragmatic. I think solution has a better chance to be reached with Talat leading the Turkish Cypriots. Eroglu will be very intransigent while following Denktash's line.

I cannot really see how the Turkish Cypriots will be isolated in the event of failure of the current round of talks, even if the new administration (perhaps Eroglu and Sertar) head the talks on behalf of the Turkish Cypriot community. The international community has credited the Turkish Cypriot community with doing more than enough in 2004 to reach a settlement and another failure will not be blamed on the Turkish Cypriots especially if they move just slightly more forward than the Annan Plan and alleviate some of the fears expressed by Papadopoulos at the time, ie, Turkey not sticking to her signature and shortening of time limits.

DT still thinks (like most GC conventional wisdom) that Turks are stupid Franks and we can manipulate things in order to score points. This was our undoing in 1963 but some people have not learnt their lesson yet.

I predicted that a time will come when we will be begging for the Annan Plan. This time is arriving fast, especially if Talat is sent home and the Koutsou's and Omirou's of the Turkish Cypriot side take over.

[Oracle]

It doesn't make one iota of difference who is the leader of the TCs!

It is Turkey we have to convince to get out of Cyprus, and the TCs have nothing to do with the decision making.

The sooner we all accept this, the sooner we might see some progress.

Stop paying lip service to the TCs just for old time's sake ...

It's not a "two community" thing but a Cyprus-Turkey thing!

[Bananiot]

In effect you are saying that we are doomed. We do not stand a chance. That is not defeatism. It is fatalism.

I believe that together, Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots can greatly influence the policies of Turkey to a good effect. We need to act together though in a joint effort and the best in the Turkish Cypriot community to work with are people like Talat, Akinci (is he still around?), Dr Cakici and some other leaders whose names I do not remember at this moment. NGO's and individuals can also play a decisive role to this effect, especially now when everything Turkey does is put under the microscope. A necessary prerequisite for things to happen is Turkey to become a full member of the EU.

Can you even begin to ponder on the obove, oracle, in an unbiased manner, for a change?