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[Oracle]

Honour is actually a misleading translation, they are called "Namus or Tore" killings. "Namus" does not mean "honour" its more on the lines of "decency", doesn't have a direct translation as its not a concept that Europeans understand (), Tore means Tradition.

You do not need religion to feel like you need to "defend" your "honour", they are usually about getting some family back for killing one of your own and so forth.

It doesn't matter what you call it shah. Europeans "understand" more than you give us credit for!

They are less about revenge, and more about women bringing "dishonour" on the family for all sorts of minor reasons; Then being forced to take their own lives (suicide killing), or facing being murdered ... euphemistically called "Honour killing".

Well having spent a LOT of time in various European countries (way before you "became" European) I know very well the difference between what they do understand and what they think they understand.

Its just the beauty of knowing MANY cultures like your own, not a popular quality amongst RACIST FOOLS!

What you are trying to explain to me WHICH I ALREADY KNOW VERY WELL, are a series of crimes committed for a word which does not translate to English very well.

Honour is a close match but its not the real thing and yes oppressed women are a part of it but so is revenge killings, as if gone uncommitted it will bring "shame" to the family, so they last for generations and generations.

You are so out of phase I'm surprised you are still here mumbling the same nonsense.

I am sincerely not saying this to insult you Oracle, but considering the amount of time you spend in trying to criticise Turkey in any way possible for whatever reason you have (and you do spend a LOT of time), you might want to invest in some time to actually learn a few things about them first, it will make this job a hell of a lot more rewarding for you.

If it was my job to find out about Turkey, I certainly wouldn't be wasting my time with you and your nonsense.

Yeah Turkey gets up my personal goat. Yeah I hate Turkey. Yeah it's because it is occupying my country and oppressing my people. Yeah it's because it turns out it does a lot of similar things, not just to other countries and their people, but often to its own people. So yeah, I have good reason to exercise my freedom of speech and speak up against these atrocities that Turkey commits ... and China too, if I had the added bonus of having been bombed out of my homeland by them ... but so far only Turkey has done that ... So shah, no one needs to pay me to criticise Turkey ... I have ample personal reasons to do it for free!

[shahmaran]

That's right Oracle.

That's exactly why you don't mind not-making sense most of the time because all you need is a bit of the satisfaction that you sadly get from talking crap about Turkey, half of the time based on unfounded junk and other times its stuff that you think you know when you clearly don't, or you have just recently made up.

All I do is point out how much rubbish you actually hide behind all the intellectuality.

It is unbelievable how psychologically premature you are considering your age and your occupation.

Yes Turkey might have done bad things but the RoC was oppressing and murdering its own people not that long ago, do you support the mass murders and the oppression that the GC community has committed towards the TC community?

Do you think they are justified?

If you do then you do NOT have the smallest right to judge Turkey in any way.

So please cut the righteous crap.

I think the time for you to grow up and understand that we have all been done wrong and that if we need to make a difference we need to start looking at the mistakes of all sides, has long come and gone Oracle.

You obviously have not learned the slightest lesson from the mistakes your part has done because you purposefully choose not to acknowledge them.

There is a word for it, its called being in denial, and I mean it in the Freudian context.

[Oracle]

We didn't need to learn lessons from Turkey. And we certainly do not need Turkey to make us feel guilty for defending ourselves against her presence here; not just in the 60's and the present, but since we were first enslaved ... and don't try and use "words" to make out Turkey is not responsible for past invasions because she conveniently shed the Ottoman name, and adopted another all-encompassing title! She also reneged rights to Cyprus, to Britain at some point, but look where she is now!

You seem to have a problem with people discussing these atrocities of Turkey, and I suspect it's not because you think I have psychologically immature reasons, since all I am doing is what most civilised people would do, and that is to criticise wrongs. But it niggles you because underneath it all, you know I'm right!. Voicing objections and criticising and pointing out unjustified atrocities is a very important part of not accepting such behaviour ... otherwise I would be as bad as you!

[shahmaran]

We didn't need to learn lessons from Turkey. And we certainly do not need Turkey to make us feel guilty for defending ourselves against her presence here; not just in the 60's and the present, but since we were first enslaved ... and don't try and use "words" to make out Turkey is not responsible for past invasions because she conveniently shed the Ottoman name, and adopted another all-encompassing title! She also reneged rights to Cyprus, to Britain at some point, but look where she is now!

You seem to have a problem with people discussing these atrocities of Turkey, and I suspect it's not because you think I have psychologically immature reasons, since all I am doing is what most civilised people would do, and that is to criticise wrongs. But it niggles you because underneath it all, you know I'm right!. Voicing objections and criticising and pointing out unjustified atrocities is a very important part of not accepting such behaviour ... otherwise I would be as bad as you!

I have no problem with people discussing, contrary I truly believe that dialectic is essential to any problem solving. However my problem is that you do not "discuss" you just make shit up as you go along.

Just like you are doing now about the Ottomans and calling us all Turkish invaders.

You are clearly incapable of giving a straight answer regarding the crimes you have committed on this island.

So as an answer to my questions above, I believe what you indirectly mean is that the murder of TC civilians is justified since we have all been invaders since 500 years, and that it is OK for the GC's to do anything they can in order to cleanse the island from Turkish presence.

This is what you call "civilised people" ?

[runaway]

We didn't need to learn lessons from Turkey. And we certainly do not need Turkey to make us feel guilty for defending ourselves against her presence here; not just in the 60's and the present, but since we were first enslaved ... and don't try and use "words" to make out Turkey is not responsible for past invasions because she conveniently shed the Ottoman name, and adopted another all-encompassing title! She also reneged rights to Cyprus, to Britain at some point, but look where she is now!

You seem to have a problem with people discussing these atrocities of Turkey, and I suspect it's not because you think I have psychologically immature reasons, since all I am doing is what most civilised people would do, and that is to criticise wrongs. But it niggles you because underneath it all, you know I'm right!. Voicing objections and criticising and pointing out unjustified atrocities is a very important part of not accepting such behaviour ... otherwise I would be as bad as you!

I have no problem with people discussing, contrary I truly believe that dialectic is essential to any problem solving. However my problem is that you do not "discuss" you just make shit up as you go along.

Just like you are doing now about the Ottomans and calling us all Turkish invaders.

You are clearly incapable of giving a straight answer regarding the crimes you have committed on this island.

So as an answer to my questions above, I believe what you indirectly mean is that the murder of TC civilians is justified since we have all been invaders since 500 years, and that it is OK for the GC's to do anything they can in order to cleanse the island from Turkish presence.

This is what you call "civilised people" ?

şah boşa kürek çekmektesin The crosscurrent is much stronger than you think.

[DT.]

We didn't need to learn lessons from Turkey. And we certainly do not need Turkey to make us feel guilty for defending ourselves against her presence here; not just in the 60's and the present, but since we were first enslaved ... and don't try and use "words" to make out Turkey is not responsible for past invasions because she conveniently shed the Ottoman name, and adopted another all-encompassing title! She also reneged rights to Cyprus, to Britain at some point, but look where she is now!

You seem to have a problem with people discussing these atrocities of Turkey, and I suspect it's not because you think I have psychologically immature reasons, since all I am doing is what most civilised people would do, and that is to criticise wrongs. But it niggles you because underneath it all, you know I'm right!. Voicing objections and criticising and pointing out unjustified atrocities is a very important part of not accepting such behaviour ... otherwise I would be as bad as you!

I have no problem with people discussing, contrary I truly believe that dialectic is essential to any problem solving. However my problem is that you do not "discuss" you just make shit up as you go along.

Just like you are doing now about the Ottomans and calling us all Turkish invaders.

You are clearly incapable of giving a straight answer regarding the crimes you have committed on this island.

So as an answer to my questions above, I believe what you indirectly mean is that the murder of TC civilians is justified since we have all been invaders since 500 years, and that it is OK for the GC's to do anything they can in order to cleanse the island from Turkish presence.

This is what you call "civilised people" ?

şah boşa kürek çekmektesin The crosscurrent is much stronger than you think.

Tjai na se koukourosi re ampalate.

[shahmaran]

We didn't need to learn lessons from Turkey. And we certainly do not need Turkey to make us feel guilty for defending ourselves against her presence here; not just in the 60's and the present, but since we were first enslaved ... and don't try and use "words" to make out Turkey is not responsible for past invasions because she conveniently shed the Ottoman name, and adopted another all-encompassing title! She also reneged rights to Cyprus, to Britain at some point, but look where she is now!

You seem to have a problem with people discussing these atrocities of Turkey, and I suspect it's not because you think I have psychologically immature reasons, since all I am doing is what most civilised people would do, and that is to criticise wrongs. But it niggles you because underneath it all, you know I'm right!. Voicing objections and criticising and pointing out unjustified atrocities is a very important part of not accepting such behaviour ... otherwise I would be as bad as you!

I have no problem with people discussing, contrary I truly believe that dialectic is essential to any problem solving. However my problem is that you do not "discuss" you just make shit up as you go along.

Just like you are doing now about the Ottomans and calling us all Turkish invaders.

You are clearly incapable of giving a straight answer regarding the crimes you have committed on this island.

So as an answer to my questions above, I believe what you indirectly mean is that the murder of TC civilians is justified since we have all been invaders since 500 years, and that it is OK for the GC's to do anything they can in order to cleanse the island from Turkish presence.

This is what you call "civilised people" ?

şah boşa kürek çekmektesin The crosscurrent is much stronger than you think.

I just want to see if she truly is ignorant or is she just choosing to act ignorant.

[Oracle]

... and that it is OK for the GC's to do anything they can in order to cleanse the island from Turkish presence.

So how and when have the GCs done "anything the can" to cleanse the island of Turkish presence?

This is the equivalent of you calling others racist, when it is you who lives in (and approves) an ethnically cleansed, racially segregated illegally occupied territory.

You are in fact living PROOF that it is the Turks which ethnically cleanse others ..... and yet you unashamedly accuse others of doing "anything they can" to achieve only what you believe in your brainwashed imagination!

Carry on proving how ignorant you indeed are shah, in your blind nationalist pride of Turkey

[shahmaran]

Well "anything that you can do" means anything other than violent means as that didn't work out too well for you, of course nothing stopping you from trying it again, other than the Turkish army.

I have no other place to live in, this is my home and my country, how does living in my own home and my own country make me racist?

Please explain because I am dying to know.

You on the other hand support the violence and wrongdoings of your people purely out of your racist hate, you go as far as calling the murder of unarmed civilians as "self-defence".

We have been living here for 500 years and didn't need to resort to violence up until what YOUR leader MAKARIOS and YOUR civilised mother land did along with your people.

You really are living up to your Nietzsche quote, seems like definitely no prize is high, not even being an ignorant racist fool

[Oracle]

Because where you live, deprives others of their rights to their legitimate homes ... and fine, you personally may live in rightfully owned property ... but you just had to spoil it all by describing the occupied territory you live in, as a "country".

So shah, you have demonstrated that you approve of recognition, as a "country", this ethnically cleansed, racially segregated territory, which keeps others away from their homes, by virtue of them being Greek Cypriot - Your approval, seals your rightful title of racist. And if you deny that, then you are also ignorant.