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[DT.]

OK Oracle you know best!

Human Rights Watch defines "honor killings" as follows:

Honor crimes are acts of violence, usually murder, committed by male family members against female family members, who are held to have brought dishonor upon the family. A woman can be targeted by (individuals within) her family for a variety of reasons, including: refusing to enter into an arranged marriage, being the victim of a sexual assault, seeking a divorce—even from an abusive husband—or (allegedly) committing adultery. The mere perception that a woman has behaved in a way that "dishonors" her family is sufficient to trigger an attack on her life.[1]

Here is the first definition that pops up on a simple search.

Any reference to religion in there?

Even this doesn't fully explain the crime since long lasting tradition killings are just as widely committed. Yet the insufficient translation attempt by the Europeans have left that part out.

This has nothing to do with Sharia.

I have no reason to defend this horrible crime which I find it just as backward as religion and you apparently, but I will not stand by and watch you talk absolute crap in the hope to insult Turkey.

At least pick a topic which you might have the slightest knowledge on.

Anyways how the hell does any of these relate to secularism in the first place??

The "secularism" Turkey always brags about is actually called "Laiklik" in Turkish which is not directly translated as "secularism" but it is commonly done so.

"Laiklik" actually translates closer to "Laïcité". Meaning keeping state and religion separate, which Turkey has done so for many years while most of Europe (including you) still have their backward priests sticking their noses in everything.

The fact that backward priests stick their noses in everything is irrelevant as hardly anybody takes any notice of them. I fail to see how this is not obvious to everyone!

Hmmm... if even Kissinger by request of the then US president took so much notice on the then archbishop Iacovos to confer with; why should not the ruling elite of Hellenes?

http://169.253.2.210/documents/kissinger/0000D679.pdf

For the cause of Hellenism priests carried out a great job. Now what's happened and u pretend like no one takes any notice of them? Disposable fun?

I admit thats what the Hellenes were doing in 1974, priests were talking with US politicians. What was Turkey doing in 1974? preparing an invading force to kill thousands and displace 1/3 of the population on the island?

The document is dated September 1974. US was trying to restore the so-called Greek honour after the shameful crimes of Hellenes in Cyprus. US didn't want to get in a mess with millions of Greek Americans. US embargoed Turkey and backed a number of artificial resolutions against Turkey for the sake of keeping Greece in Nato for her interests in Balkans and Greek American votes.

Your hordes murdered, raped and ethnically cleansed the north part of our island. Get your head out of wherever it is.

[insan]

OK Oracle you know best!

Human Rights Watch defines "honor killings" as follows:

Honor crimes are acts of violence, usually murder, committed by male family members against female family members, who are held to have brought dishonor upon the family. A woman can be targeted by (individuals within) her family for a variety of reasons, including: refusing to enter into an arranged marriage, being the victim of a sexual assault, seeking a divorce—even from an abusive husband—or (allegedly) committing adultery. The mere perception that a woman has behaved in a way that "dishonors" her family is sufficient to trigger an attack on her life.[1]

Here is the first definition that pops up on a simple search.

Any reference to religion in there?

Even this doesn't fully explain the crime since long lasting tradition killings are just as widely committed. Yet the insufficient translation attempt by the Europeans have left that part out.

This has nothing to do with Sharia.

I have no reason to defend this horrible crime which I find it just as backward as religion and you apparently, but I will not stand by and watch you talk absolute crap in the hope to insult Turkey.

At least pick a topic which you might have the slightest knowledge on.

Anyways how the hell does any of these relate to secularism in the first place??

The "secularism" Turkey always brags about is actually called "Laiklik" in Turkish which is not directly translated as "secularism" but it is commonly done so.

"Laiklik" actually translates closer to "Laïcité". Meaning keeping state and religion separate, which Turkey has done so for many years while most of Europe (including you) still have their backward priests sticking their noses in everything.

The fact that backward priests stick their noses in everything is irrelevant as hardly anybody takes any notice of them. I fail to see how this is not obvious to everyone!

Hmmm... if even Kissinger by request of the then US president took so much notice on the then archbishop Iacovos to confer with; why should not the ruling elite of Hellenes?

http://169.253.2.210/documents/kissinger/0000D679.pdf

For the cause of Hellenism priests carried out a great job. Now what's happened and u pretend like no one takes any notice of them? Disposable fun?

I admit thats what the Hellenes were doing in 1974, priests were talking with US politicians. What was Turkey doing in 1974? preparing an invading force to kill thousands and displace 1/3 of the population on the island?

The document is dated September 1974. US was trying to restore the so-called Greek honour after the shameful crimes of Hellenes in Cyprus. US didn't want to get in a mess with millions of Greek Americans. US embargoed Turkey and backed a number of artificial resolutions against Turkey for the sake of keeping Greece in Nato for her interests in Balkans and Greek American votes.

Your hordes murdered, raped and ethnically cleansed the north part of our island. Get your head out of wherever it is.

That's what ur ruling elite propagate in order to disguise their guilt, keep their people as a whole and avoid any anger revolt against them by u. That's why afterwards 1974, instead blaming ur leaders for what they caused u tried to put all the blame on Turkey. Masters of Akritas plan managed to delude u for their own personal interests.

[DT.]

OK Oracle you know best!

Human Rights Watch defines "honor killings" as follows:

Honor crimes are acts of violence, usually murder, committed by male family members against female family members, who are held to have brought dishonor upon the family. A woman can be targeted by (individuals within) her family for a variety of reasons, including: refusing to enter into an arranged marriage, being the victim of a sexual assault, seeking a divorce—even from an abusive husband—or (allegedly) committing adultery. The mere perception that a woman has behaved in a way that "dishonors" her family is sufficient to trigger an attack on her life.[1]

Here is the first definition that pops up on a simple search.

Any reference to religion in there?

Even this doesn't fully explain the crime since long lasting tradition killings are just as widely committed. Yet the insufficient translation attempt by the Europeans have left that part out.

This has nothing to do with Sharia.

I have no reason to defend this horrible crime which I find it just as backward as religion and you apparently, but I will not stand by and watch you talk absolute crap in the hope to insult Turkey.

At least pick a topic which you might have the slightest knowledge on.

Anyways how the hell does any of these relate to secularism in the first place??

The "secularism" Turkey always brags about is actually called "Laiklik" in Turkish which is not directly translated as "secularism" but it is commonly done so.

"Laiklik" actually translates closer to "Laïcité". Meaning keeping state and religion separate, which Turkey has done so for many years while most of Europe (including you) still have their backward priests sticking their noses in everything.

The fact that backward priests stick their noses in everything is irrelevant as hardly anybody takes any notice of them. I fail to see how this is not obvious to everyone!

Hmmm... if even Kissinger by request of the then US president took so much notice on the then archbishop Iacovos to confer with; why should not the ruling elite of Hellenes?

http://169.253.2.210/documents/kissinger/0000D679.pdf

For the cause of Hellenism priests carried out a great job. Now what's happened and u pretend like no one takes any notice of them? Disposable fun?

I admit thats what the Hellenes were doing in 1974, priests were talking with US politicians. What was Turkey doing in 1974? preparing an invading force to kill thousands and displace 1/3 of the population on the island?

The document is dated September 1974. US was trying to restore the so-called Greek honour after the shameful crimes of Hellenes in Cyprus. US didn't want to get in a mess with millions of Greek Americans. US embargoed Turkey and backed a number of artificial resolutions against Turkey for the sake of keeping Greece in Nato for her interests in Balkans and Greek American votes.

Your hordes murdered, raped and ethnically cleansed the north part of our island. Get your head out of wherever it is.

That's what ur ruling elite propagate in order to disguise their guilt, keep their people as a whole and avoid any anger revolt against them by u. That's why afterwards 1974, instead blaming ur leaders for what they caused u tried to put all the blame on Turkey. Masters of Akritas plan managed to delude u for their own personal interests.

What brainwashing are you talking about? My family was in Morphou witnessing it first hand!

[shahmaran]

So was mine in Lefke not too far from you where the mass graves were dug and ready to be filled.

But apparently this does not count as "credible evidence" in this forum...

[Oracle]

So shah thinks by calling Honour / Suicide Killings "tradition" and not Sharia it makes it untouchable

[shahmaran]

What the hell are you talking about?

Do you even know how to read?

Where have I used the word "untouchable" ?

Secularism is what we are talking about and I just pointed out that you were absolutely full of shit when it comes to criticising it through Honour killings because they have nothing to do with State nor Religion in the sense that it would ever be related to Secularism.

You are even bad at twisting words Oracle, its time you retire from your propaganda business and take up something you can actually do well.

[runaway]

OK Oracle you know best!

Human Rights Watch defines "honor killings" as follows:

Honor crimes are acts of violence, usually murder, committed by male family members against female family members, who are held to have brought dishonor upon the family. A woman can be targeted by (individuals within) her family for a variety of reasons, including: refusing to enter into an arranged marriage, being the victim of a sexual assault, seeking a divorce—even from an abusive husband—or (allegedly) committing adultery. The mere perception that a woman has behaved in a way that "dishonors" her family is sufficient to trigger an attack on her life.[1]

Here is the first definition that pops up on a simple search.

Any reference to religion in there?

Even this doesn't fully explain the crime since long lasting tradition killings are just as widely committed. Yet the insufficient translation attempt by the Europeans have left that part out.

This has nothing to do with Sharia.

I have no reason to defend this horrible crime which I find it just as backward as religion and you apparently, but I will not stand by and watch you talk absolute crap in the hope to insult Turkey.

At least pick a topic which you might have the slightest knowledge on.

Anyways how the hell does any of these relate to secularism in the first place??

The "secularism" Turkey always brags about is actually called "Laiklik" in Turkish which is not directly translated as "secularism" but it is commonly done so.

"Laiklik" actually translates closer to "Laïcité".

Meaning keeping state and religion separate, which Turkey has done so for many years while most of Europe (including you) still have their backward priests sticking their noses in everything.

GCs know nothing about secularism. After all, they are governed by churchmen.

[shahmaran]

I thought that was the case Runaway, just didn't realize the severity of the situation until Oracle started talking

[Oracle]

Honour is actually a misleading translation, they are called "Namus or Tore" killings. "Namus" does not mean "honour" its more on the lines of "decency", doesn't have a direct translation as its not a concept that Europeans understand (), Tore means Tradition.

You do not need religion to feel like you need to "defend" your "honour", they are usually about getting some family back for killing one of your own and so forth.

It doesn't matter what you call it shah. Europeans "understand" more than you give us credit for!

They are less about revenge, and more about women bringing "dishonour" on the family for all sorts of minor reasons; Then being forced to take their own lives (suicide killing), or facing being murdered ... euphemistically called "Honour killing".

[shahmaran]

Honour is actually a misleading translation, they are called "Namus or Tore" killings. "Namus" does not mean "honour" its more on the lines of "decency", doesn't have a direct translation as its not a concept that Europeans understand (), Tore means Tradition.

You do not need religion to feel like you need to "defend" your "honour", they are usually about getting some family back for killing one of your own and so forth.

It doesn't matter what you call it shah. Europeans "understand" more than you give us credit for!

They are less about revenge, and more about women bringing "dishonour" on the family for all sorts of minor reasons; Then being forced to take their own lives (suicide killing), or facing being murdered ... euphemistically called "Honour killing".

Well having spent a LOT of time in various European countries (way before you "became" European) I know very well the difference between what they do understand and what they think they understand.

Its just the beauty of knowing MANY cultures like your own, not a popular quality amongst RACIST FOOLS!

What you are trying to explain to me WHICH I ALREADY KNOW VERY WELL, are a series of crimes committed for a word which does not translate to English very well.

Honour is a close match but its not the real thing and yes oppressed women are a part of it but so is revenge killings, as if gone uncommitted it will bring "shame" to the family, so they last for generations and generations.

You are so out of phase I'm surprised you are still here mumbling the same nonsense.

I am sincerely not saying this to insult you Oracle, but considering the amount of time you spend in trying to criticise Turkey in any way possible for whatever reason you have (and you do spend a LOT of time), you might want to invest in some time to actually learn a few things about them first, it will make this job a hell of a lot more rewarding for you.