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[magikthrill]

better correct these people too

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=baloney

i was unaware that mom vs. mum existed with bologna as well.

no I do not really care to elaborate.

so be it. question though are you the one who was told that makarios said no TC will be left by the time the turkish soldiers come to cyprus?

[erolz]

i was unaware that mom vs. mum existed with bologna as well.

Seems like you can learn something new every day, as they say - as long as it's not learning something that challenges your views on Cyprus

question though are you the one who was told that makarios said no TC will be left by the time the turkish soldiers come to cyprus?

If I knew what the question meant I might consider answering it? Do you mean am I the one who claimed Makarios said this? If so no I have never presented that quote of Makrios'

I have presented other like these in the past from which the 'goodwill' of Makarios can clearly been seen

No Greek who knows me can ever believe that I would wish to work for the creation of a Cypriot national awareness. The Agreements have created a State, but not a Nation.

The Union of Cyprus with Greece is an aspiration always cherished within the hearts of all Greek Cypriots. It is impossible to put an end to this aspiration by establishing a Republic.

It is true that the goal of our struggle is to annex Cyprus to Greece.

and one of my favourites as far as showing Makarios goodwill (though admitedly harder to verify as it was no in a newspaper0

Until this small Turkish community forming part of the Turkish race which has been the terrible enemy of Hellenism is expelled, the duty of the hereos of EOKA can never be considered as terminated.

[magikthrill]

Seems like you can learn something new every day, as they say - as long as it's not learning something that challenges your views on Cyprus

ive learned a SHIT load of stuff since i joined this forum. if you havent then im not sure what the hell youre still doing here, mite.

also your quotes are very endearing. however, my discussion of makarios' good will was in the mid 1960s and none of your quotes date after 65 probably because you wont find any. once EOKA B took action he realized how powerless he was unless he was the president of independent nation which is why he shoed good will. im not saying he cared so much about TCs as if they were GCs but the did try to take actions to restore the constitution after the collpase .

[erolz]

ive learned a SHIT load of stuff since i joined this forum.

How much have you learnt that has forced you to challeng (or heaven forbid change) your views on the Cyprus problem and it's causes? I would be very interested to know? Really.

mite.

mite? Is this a term of 'endearment'? Perhaps a sign of goodwill I am misreading?

also your quotes are very endearing. however, my discussion of makarios' good will was in the mid 1960s

When exactly did he start showing this goodwill then? I thought you said from 63 onwards (though why he did not show it before is kind of mysterious?)?

and none of your quotes date after 65 probably because you wont find any. once EOKA B took action he realized how powerless he was unless he was the president of independent nation which is why he shoed good will.

balonga!

There is no doubt (to me) that Makarios personal desire for enosis began to wane over the 60's - however he did go on making public statments about his desire for it well after 65, probably in fear of the very terrorists he himself had empowered. I will give you just one (ok 2 I coulndt resist) example - but many more are available.

The real victory will be achieved when Cyprus will be annexed to Greece without any concessions whatsoever... I am for Enosis, but it must be genuine Enosis without curbs or strings.

... I shall never violate my oath, and I shall never deviate from my goal. I have desired Enosis, and I have never struggled for anything else other than its achievement.

im not saying he cared so much about TCs as if they were GCs but the did try to take actions to restore the constitution after the collpase .

I am afarid I am back to my orignal 'what absolute baloney' on this one

There is very good evidence that in 74 prior to the soup Clerides and Denktash had all but agreed a settlement that was far less (in terms of rights of TC community) than the orginal 60 consitituion and that it was Makarios that blocked this. Of course the blame would not be Makarios but that he was MADE to block it by the EOKA B terrorist no doubt.

So can you give me an example of 'goodwill' shown by Makarios to the TC community in the period you mention (somewhere mid 65 onwards?). I would like to be able to challenge my view of 'balony' re you assertation but need some help.

[magikthrill]

How much have you learnt that has forced you to challeng (or heaven forbid change) your views on the Cyprus problem and it's causes? I would be very interested to know? Really.

tons of stuff. lets take it this way. do you believe i am uninformed on the basic issues of the cyprus problem? probably not. now take into account that all my information on the cyprus problem was from people whose basic history lesson on cyprus had a mysterious pause between 1960 and 1974.

one of the important things ive learned from the GC side, something that I recently posted in one of our dicussions of how GCs are definitely indirectly responsible for the Turkish invasion.

mite? Is this a term of 'endearment'? Perhaps a sign of goodwill I am misreading?

lol
when i say "mate" i pronounced it "mite" i dunno why. i think im mocking the australian accent but not sure.

When exactly did he start showing this goodwill then? I thought you said from 63 onwards (though why he did not show it before is kind of mysterious?)?

I thought i said following his 13 points and the bloodbath. if i didnt thats what i meant.
Makarios requested all TC refugeeds be returned to their homes and all GC blockades on TC enclaves be removed immediately. he did not allow GC extremists on the national guard.

if you want i can do some research and show you all the points that makarios made that literally SHOCKED me. his dipllomatic skills were indeed extraordinary.

i would appreciate some backing for others on this though

There is no doubt (to me) that Makarios personal desire for enosis began to wane over the 60's - however he did go on making public statments about his desire for it well after 65, probably in fear of the very terrorists he himself had empowered. I will give you just one (ok 2 I coulndt resist) example - but many more are available.

thanks for the quotes. they do seem weird to me because everything i am reading about Makarios points to that the did no wish to achieve enosis so I will have to read over the period. not because he respected TCs but again because he would lose so much power.

So can you give me an example of 'goodwill' shown by Makarios to the TC community in the period you mention (somewhere mid 65 onwards?). I would like to be able to challenge my view of 'balony' re you assertation but need some help.

the thing about refugees returning back to their villages.

of course we both understand this ws done to prevent partition. regardless though it was the rigth thing to do.

i will go back and look at more some other time and will start a thread on Makarios where you can bash him freely without fear of getting off topic

[erolz]

i will go back and look at more some other time and will start a thread on Makarios where you can bash him freely without fear of getting off topic

most excellent

what can be more enjoyable than slating a dead holy man?

(the above is humour. Not good humor maybe and it it offends anyone then appologies but please do not take it too seriously)

[magikthrill]

most excellent

what can be more enjoyable than slating a dead holy man?

(the above is humour. Not good humor maybe and it it offends anyone then appologies but please do not take it too seriously)

lol

if your holy comment refers to him being a religious leader then I will laugh with you at those who take offense to this

[gabaston]

magic

you never answered my question in response to you stating that you had seen loads of eurooooos - my question was

"how long you been in the States then"?

now you say that you thought the enclaves were in the north - wrong
My mothers village Kofinou is in the south, and i had two uncles(mums brothers) and an aunt (dads sister) living in turkish larnaca - pre 74.

what are u on?

[magikthrill]

magic

you never answered my question in response to you stating that you had seen loads of eurooooos - my question was

"how long you been in the States then"?

i came here in 2002 to study but go back twice a year. for a total of about 3 months.

now you say that you thought the enclaves were in the north - wrong
My mothers village Kofinou is in the south, and i had two uncles(mums brothers) and an aunt (dads sister) living in turkish larnaca - pre 74.

what are u on?

lol. i said i didnt know my man. i never said i was the all knowing wizard of the cyprus problem. thats why im here. to learn.

[gabaston]

well happy learning.

ps by the time you next go to Cyprus expect price rises on everything - but i hope you enjoy anyway.