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Les Grands Mythes de l’Histoire de Belgique

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Postby Nikitas » Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:18 pm

Still waiting to hear about the 23 myths.
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:20 pm

Nikitas wrote:Still waiting to hear about the 23 myths.

You'll be waiting a long time... Bananiot’s manufactured bollocks is well known in the online community. :lol:
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Postby Bananiot » Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:42 am

Sleep comfortably, I was having you on, no such thing ever happened and Anne Morelli is a figment of my imagination, sucker!
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Postby Sotos » Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:33 pm

Bananiot doesn't want to post it because maybe there are some points in this report that he doesn't like. Bananiot only likes half truths. He picks and chooses what he likes and pretends that there is nothing else there. :roll:
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Postby Bananiot » Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:05 pm

Idiot!
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Postby Sotos » Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:18 pm

And then when you expose him he gets angry.
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Postby Bananiot » Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:19 am

There is no excuse to be stone illiterate sotos, here is a relevent article in L'Humanite of 1995, when the book was released.

http://www.humanite.fr/1995-09-02_Artic ... eboulonnes

Made up of 312 pages and destroys 22 myths.

Morelli also wrote the following which may suit you fine.

Fascismo E Antifascismo Nell'emigrazione Italiana in Belgio, 1922-1940
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Postby Piratis » Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:38 pm

You can read French Bananiot?
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Postby insan » Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:54 pm

http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/im ... 30817.aspx

All the major feats of Belgian, Flemish and Walloon history are mercilessly examined, put in context and very often exploded.

The object of the exercise, however, goes beyond pure academic hair-splitting.

Quoting the great British historian Eric Hobsbawm, Morelli reminds readers that “if you don't have the past that you need, you can always invent it”. The approach of the authors appears, thus, to be highly political.

“The end of nationalist Belgium”, writes Morelli, “might have been the end of unitarist myths and opened an era where history school books would have been made of nuances, interrogations and plural approaches. This expectation has not been met because Belgian nationalism has been immediately replaced by new territory-based identities, either regional or European.”Morelli questions the polarisation of history between the north and south of the country, and criticises a political discourse that “distorts realities and sweeps away nuances”.

Generalisation is a first target: how can one oppose a rich, Catholic, rural Flanders and a poor, socialist and industrial Wallonia when one knows that Flanders has pockets of poverty, a rich industrial tradition in Ghent, Antwerp and Limbourg, or when one is reminded that the richest city in Belgium is Namur?

Alongside these new ‘micro-nationalisms', the “hypothetical European identity” is also put on the grill.

“The homo europeus” is “an imaginary construction”, notes Morelli, who scarcely hides her hostility towards the authors who have been asked to “emphasise the European dimension of problems and to contribute to forge a European spirit”.
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:11 pm

Bananiot wrote:There is no excuse to be stone illiterate sotos, here is a relevent article in L'Humanite of 1995, when the book was released.

http://www.humanite.fr/1995-09-02_Artic ... eboulonnes

Made up of 312 pages and destroys 22 myths.

Morelli also wrote the following which may suit you fine.

Fascismo E Antifascismo Nell'emigrazione Italiana in Belgio, 1922-1940

Babelfish translation: :lol:

OF all the people of Gaulle, the Belgians are bravest… This patent of courage decreed by César avenges the Belgians for humiliations which are often inflicted to them. Alas, here that “the Great Myths of the history of Belgium, Flanders and Wallonia” (1), work published under the direction of Anne Morelli, part-time lecturer with the Universit3e libre de Bruxelles, comes to cool this proud patriotic enthusiasm. Admittedly, César spoke well about “bravery”, but explains it by the “barbarian” character of these tribes furthest away from civilization. The Belgians could comfort themselves while being rejected, a few centuries later, on the prestigious example given by Godefroi de Bouillon, “king de Jérusalem”, which in fact was not it, in front of being satisfied to be the solicitor of the Holy Sepulchre. What had not been dishonouring if it did not prove that this “knight-pilgrim” was not, as Isabelle Wanson indicates it, that a “lord raptor, without shame and readily violent”. While being caught some to the “national hero”, the historian reaches two myths at the same time. That of Godefroi de Bouillon, “Christian Hercules” with the foot of clay and that of Henri Pirenne, the large historian of the beginning of the century, which invited the memory of “king de Jérusalem” to support the idea, which runs throughout its work, of a made “Belgian nation” of romanity and germanity. The historians gathered by Anne Morelli prove to be iconoclasts. Helene Wallenborn enjoys to recall that Pierre the Hermit, preacher of the first crusade, was not this “Belgian” that some presented as tel. It would have been born in Amiens or perhaps in Picardy. As for that which rests in the collegial one of Huy, nothing is less sure than it is about the famous bearded preacher, holding up the cross, and rejoining crowd with the cries of “God wants it”. All would be to quote, but span the centuries. The recognized historian that is Jean Stengers shows that in 1830, date of the Belgian Revolution, existed a true national feeling. It was only at the beginning of the XXe century that one questioned it. The Walloons, with the passing, allotted all the merit of the inversion of the Dutch mode. What allowed to the followers Flemish nationalism to denounce this “Walloon revolution”, mourning for the Flanders and the Flemish language limits. At the time of the Great War and after was born another myth, that of Belgium linked, patriotic, grouped around Albert Ier, the “King-Knight”. The contribution of Marie-Rose Thielemans, risk to upset many data held for gathered. Albert Ier appears anglophile and francophobe. He seeks, moreover, to spare Germany and will endeavour to carry out with her a separate peace. Its “Notebooks” testify to a “primary education anti-semitism” which a feeling accompanies ardently “Zionist”. He, which is seen often associated with the memory with this other figure with stained glass which was the Mercier cardinal, always did not agree with him. Thus, it marked its distances when the cardinal was accepted triumphantly in Rome to be celebrated there “by all the partisans of the entry in war of Italy at the sides of the Allies”. As many precise details, even of revelations, which present the character and the policy of the “King-Knight”, under one day when the shades dispute it with the lights. Remain finally, almost as epilogue, this chapter due to the feather of Joel Kottek, and devoted to “Tintin, a Belgian myth of replacement”. The author, severe for Hergé, of which it pins the drifts droitières and anti-semites, however finds indulgence while speaking about “the mythical image about happy Belgium, neither Flemish nor Walloon, redécouverte with each reading not without pleasure”. Let us go, so after reading of the “Great Myths of the history of Belgium, of Flanders and of Wallonia”, the Belgians “lost” Godefroi de Bouillon, Pierre the Hermit and the King-Knight, they nevertheless remain to them Tintin, whose Charles de Gaulle said that he was his only “rival”. (1) “Great Myths of the history of Belgium, Flanders and Wallonia”, under the direction of Anne Morelli. Editions working Life, street of Anderlecht 4 - 1.000 Brussels. 312 pages.


Ok, so Belgium lost some Knights Bananiot... now what was that you were saying about Cyprus? :lol:

Whatever next... Tintin? :lol:

???
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