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[denizaksulu]

I thought your young one went by himself. Geat Exh. Did the Greek monks train the Russian Iconists?

[Nikitas]

Deniz,

Monastiraki square, bang in the middle of Athens, there is a mosque from Ottoman times. In almost every major town there are mosques and bath houses.

But apart from the religious and ethnically distinguishable monuments, where are the public building, the roadworks, the infrastructure from the Ottomans in any of their former possessions? Look at what the Italians built in the Dodecanese from 1919 till 1945 when they had the islands and compare it with what the Ottomans constructed in 4 centuries which is almost nil.

We have to be realistic and recognise that the Ottomans were not the foremost creators compared to other emprires that flourished in the Mediterranean. Maybe this is not such a bad thing. It might simply be the appropriate treatment of lands and people conquered for the purposes of exploitation via taxes with no desire to turn them into anything else, something the other empires tried to do. It is hard to say which is the worse type of imperial treatment.

[denizaksulu]

Deniz,

Monastiraki square, bang in the middle of Athens, there is a mosque from Ottoman times. In almost every major town there are mosques and bath houses.

But apart from the religious and ethnically distinguishable monuments, where are the public building, the roadworks, the infrastructure from the Ottomans in any of their former possessions? Look at what the Italians built in the Dodecanese from 1919 till 1945 when they had the islands and compare it with what the Ottomans constructed in 4 centuries which is almost nil.

We have to be realistic and recognise that the Ottomans were not the foremost creators compared to other emprires that flourished in the Mediterranean. Maybe this is not such a bad thing. It might simply be the appropriate treatment of lands and people conquered for the purposes of exploitation via taxes with no desire to turn them into anything else, something the other empires tried to do. It is hard to say which is the worse type of imperial treatment.

I went to Monastiraki and saw no mosque. It doesnt mean there was none. I took the bus there, on my way to the Parthenon. Perhaps it was not brought to my attention. The one you talk about, is it a converted church or purpose built mosque?

[denizaksulu]

I better fire up Google earth and have a peep.

[denizaksulu]

The Museum of Popular Art. That is definitely a mosque plus Byzantine dome. Could not see if there was a minaret.

[Oracle]

We're forgetting that different nations had varied cultural preferences.

Those cultural "memes" of the Ottomans were not congenial with great art, architecture, universities etc. because they concentrated on a parasitic mode of culture, like hermit crabs, preferring the ready made.

It was not till towards the end of their Empire, after they had emulated those they conquered, perhaps enslaved those they conquered towards building and studying for them, that they began to leave a less-than destructive record of achievements.

Everything adds to the rich tapestry of Mankind ... even the ones that make us work harder at surviving!

[denizaksulu]

We're forgetting that different nations had varied cultural preferences.

Those cultural "memes" of the Ottomans were not congenial with great art, architecture, universities etc. because they concentrated on a parasitic mode of culture, like hermit crabs, preferring the ready made.

It was not till towards the end of their Empire, after they had emulated those they conquered, perhaps enslaved those they conquered towards building and studying for them, that they began to leave a less-than destructive record of achievements.

Everything adds to the rich tapestry of Mankind ... even the ones that make us work harder at surviving!

Perhaps the Ottomans were less Turkish than you think Oracle. The greatest Ottoman Architect Mimar Sinanhimself was a convert. What have you got to say about the Central Asiatic Turkic monuments/architecture in places like Semerkand? Nothing positive , I am sure.

[Nikitas]

So, what were the 23 myths of Belgian history?

[YFred]

We're forgetting that different nations had varied cultural preferences.

Those cultural "memes" of the Ottomans were not congenial with great art, architecture, universities etc. because they concentrated on a parasitic mode of culture, like hermit crabs, preferring the ready made.

It was not till towards the end of their Empire, after they had emulated those they conquered, perhaps enslaved those they conquered towards building and studying for them, that they began to leave a less-than destructive record of achievements.

Everything adds to the rich tapestry of Mankind ... even the ones that make us work harder at surviving!

Perhaps the Ottomans were less Turkish than you think Oracle. The greatest Ottoman Architect Mimar Sinanhimself was a convert. What have you got to say about the Central Asiatic Turkic monuments/architecture in places like Semerkand? Nothing positive , I am sure.

Deniz, when will you realise that blind people cannot see and that there are other form of blindness other than Biological Ones even if one has an ology.
Regards

[christos1]

Twenty three historians, under the supervision of Anne Morelli, make mincemeat of 23 myths of Belgian history. All myths that were created to lend support to the meaning of the Belgian Nation are destroyed, one by one.

Can anyone imagine this happening in our part of the world?

Come here. Have you been reading the press you black sock with sandal, short shorts wearing hippie?

Just to keep you abreast of things ...

Mr. Christofias today uttered what i think were direct quotes by Mr. Papadopoulos. Stating that Turkey's influence in the talks are scuttling reunification talks. WHAT? But we all already new that Bananiot, right? Ohh but there is more! Christofias even went as far as to state that the international community must pressure Turkey! Amazing. Simply amazing. Reality has finally set in for the pseudointelectual extreme left of our society. Pretty soon we will be hearing that it doesnt matter who is elected in the RoC, if Turkey doesnt want to realistically solve the issue then nothing can be done. So, there ohh my friends have arrived. I must bid you all farewell, but not goodbye!! More lecturing later! Yes, i know you will all be looking forward to it. Especially you Bana,