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[Oracle]

We hear so many objections about "Majority Rule" because the TCs fear they will not be heard, being only 18%, and so it is seen as a way for the GCs to rule over everyone.

But for most things passing through government legislature, I'll bet the TCs would vote exactly the same way as Mr and Mrs Average Yiannis GCopoulos.

For instance:

Should we spend more on the Health service? Yes or No
Should it be illegal to name a pig Napoleon? Yes or No
Should we improve our Roads? Yes or No
Should we cut Carbon emissions? Yes or No
Should people over 70 be forced to wear false teeth? Yes or No
Should we have heavier fines for animal cruelty? Yes or No
Should we strive to make Cyprus a Global Economy? Yes or No
Should we help the poor and underprivileged? Yes or No
Should we reduce the retirement age to 50? Yes or No

Well I don't know about you, but I voted Yes to 8 out of the 9.

I reckon most people would vote the same as me!

So what's wrong with Majority Rule?

[shahmaran]

Well if thats what you truly believe then why insist on majority rule?

[Oracle]

Erm ... because a minority in the population (represented by both TCs and GCs) would vote NO to everything!

But you haven't answered the question (as usual )

[insan]

We hear so many objections about "Majority Rule" because the TCs fear they will not be heard, being only 18%, and so it is seen as a way for the GCs to rule over everyone.

But for most things passing through government legislature, I'll bet the TCs would vote exactly the same way as Mr and Mrs Average Yiannis GCopoulos.

For instance:

Should we spend more on the Health service? Yes or No
Should it be illegal to name a pig Napoleon? Yes or No
Should we improve our Roads? Yes or No
Should we cut Carbon emissions? Yes or No
Should people over 70 be forced to wear false teeth? Yes or No
Should we have heavier fines for animal cruelty? Yes or No
Should we strive to make Cyprus a Global Economy? Yes or No
Should we help the poor and underprivileged? Yes or No
Should we reduce the retirement age to 50? Yes or No

Well I don't know about you, but I voted Yes to 8 out of the 9.

I reckon most people would vote the same as me!

So what's wrong with Majority Rule?

When majority rules in Cyprus; highly probable to occure situations:

1- Objection of anything considered detrimental for the communal interests of TC community would be just a symbolic democracy show. 8 VS 2 = TC loose

2- If TC community wishes comprehensive bi-lateral relations with Turkey as GC community has with Greece; it is obvious that vast majority of GC community would object. Result: 8 VS 2 = TC loose

3- If TC community objects to accept EOKA as a liberation fighters organization... Result: 8 VS 2 = TC loose

I can count many more but even just 3 highly probable to occure situations r sufficient to portray the future of TC community in a united RoC where majority rules.

[Kikapu]

We hear so many objections about "Majority Rule" because the TCs fear they will not be heard, being only 18%, and so it is seen as a way for the GCs to rule over everyone.

But for most things passing through government legislature, I'll bet the TCs would vote exactly the same way as Mr and Mrs Average Yiannis GCopoulos.

For instance:

Should we spend more on the Health service? Yes or No
Should it be illegal to name a pig Napoleon? Yes or No
Should we improve our Roads? Yes or No
Should we cut Carbon emissions? Yes or No
Should people over 70 be forced to wear false teeth? Yes or No
Should we have heavier fines for animal cruelty? Yes or No
Should we strive to make Cyprus a Global Economy? Yes or No
Should we help the poor and underprivileged? Yes or No
Should we reduce the retirement age to 50? Yes or No

Well I don't know about you, but I voted Yes to 8 out of the 9.

I reckon most people would vote the same as me!

So what's wrong with Majority Rule?

When majority rules in Cyprus; highly probable to occure situations:

1- Objection of anything considered detrimental for the communal interests of TC community would be just a symbolic democracy show. 8 VS 2 = TC loose

2- If TC community wishes comprehensive bi-lateral relations with Turkey as GC community has with Greece; it is obvious that vast majority of GC community would object. Result: 8 VS 2 = TC loose

3- If TC community objects to accept EOKA as a liberation fighters organization... Result: 8 VS 2 = TC loose

I can count many more but even just 3 highly probable to occure situations r sufficient to portray the future of TC community in a united RoC where majority rules.

Countries make Bi-lateral agreements with other countries and not individual states within a country. If that were to be allowed, the next thing you will do, is to give Turkey permission to keep 40,000 troops in the north state. That would be the same thing as having an "Open Marriage". Are you into open marriages, Insan.?

The most important protection for the TC's is to get all their protections into the constitution, where if such bad legistlation is introduced, that it will become unconstitutional, even if it was voted on.

The second protection for the TC's is to maintain 50% power in the upper house with veto power, all democratically, is to adopt my "BBF" plan.!

[Sotos]

If you don't like it that you are a minority in Cyprus then why you came to our island? When you came and ruled Cyprus for 300 years it was not a problem and now democracy is a problem because it means you can't rule Cyprus any more? The Turks are in Cyprus to deny to Cypriots our freedom. No question about it. Oracle don't talk to them. The only way to gain our freedom and democracy is to fight them. Words with the invaders is a waste of time.

[insan]

We hear so many objections about "Majority Rule" because the TCs fear they will not be heard, being only 18%, and so it is seen as a way for the GCs to rule over everyone.

But for most things passing through government legislature, I'll bet the TCs would vote exactly the same way as Mr and Mrs Average Yiannis GCopoulos.

For instance:

Should we spend more on the Health service? Yes or No
Should it be illegal to name a pig Napoleon? Yes or No
Should we improve our Roads? Yes or No
Should we cut Carbon emissions? Yes or No
Should people over 70 be forced to wear false teeth? Yes or No
Should we have heavier fines for animal cruelty? Yes or No
Should we strive to make Cyprus a Global Economy? Yes or No
Should we help the poor and underprivileged? Yes or No
Should we reduce the retirement age to 50? Yes or No

Well I don't know about you, but I voted Yes to 8 out of the 9.

I reckon most people would vote the same as me!

So what's wrong with Majority Rule?

When majority rules in Cyprus; highly probable to occure situations:

1- Objection of anything considered detrimental for the communal interests of TC community would be just a symbolic democracy show. 8 VS 2 = TC loose

2- If TC community wishes comprehensive bi-lateral relations with Turkey as GC community has with Greece; it is obvious that vast majority of GC community would object. Result: 8 VS 2 = TC loose

3- If TC community objects to accept EOKA as a liberation fighters organization... Result: 8 VS 2 = TC loose

I can count many more but even just 3 highly probable to occure situations r sufficient to portray the future of TC community in a united RoC where majority rules.

Countries make Bi-lateral agreements with other countries and not individual states within a country. If that were to be allowed, the next thing you will do, is to give Turkey permission to keep 40,000 troops in the north state. That would be the same thing as having an "Open Marriage". Are you into open marriages, Insan.?

The most important protection for the TC's is to get all their protections into the constitution, where if such bad legistlation is introduced, that it will become unconstitutional, even if it was voted on.

The second protection for the TC's is to maintain 50% power in the upper house with veto power, all democratically, is to adopt my "BBF" plan.!

In a united Cyprus where the legislative and judicial power r distributed 50/50; any irrational and unconstitutional wishes/desires/demands of either communities would be doomed to fail.

I don't believe in any form of a united Cyprus would be viable if vast majority of GC community wouldn't genuinely respect the politically equal status of TC community. In a case where vast majority of GC community respect the politically equal status of TC community; there would be no irrational rivalry between 2 communities and no irrational demands such as asking 40.000 Turkish troops to be stationed in North.

So let alone an "open marriage", I don't want any type of reunification of 2 communities before I am persuaded that vast majority of GC community genuinely considers TC community as a politically equal state partner.

[Viewpoint]

If you don't like it that you are a minority in Cyprus then why you came to our island? When you came and ruled Cyprus for 300 years it was not a problem and now democracy is a problem because it means you can't rule Cyprus any more? The Turks are in Cyprus to deny to Cypriots our freedom. No question about it. Oracle don't talk to them. The only way to gain our freedom and democracy is to fight them. Words with the invaders is a waste of time.

When will you attack Sotos, can you make sure you wipe us all out this time.

[miltiades]

If you don't like it that you are a minority in Cyprus then why you came to our island? When you came and ruled Cyprus for 300 years it was not a problem and now democracy is a problem because it means you can't rule Cyprus any more? The Turks are in Cyprus to deny to Cypriots our freedom. No question about it. Oracle don't talk to them. The only way to gain our freedom and democracy is to fight them. Words with the invaders is a waste of time.

Sotos , are you forgetting that the T/Cs have been in Cyprus since 1571 thats quite a few generations , you can not possibly argue that they do not belong here .
I understand where you are coming from concerning Turkeys insistence that there exist in Cyprus two nations , we can and do challenge this but we must never lose sight of reality that the T/Cs have as much right to be on this island and call it their own as we have .
We have seen on this forum numerous T/Cs who are progressive in thinking and Cypriots through and through are we to deny these compatriots of ours their undeniable right of being a part of Cyprus ?
Kikapu , xxNilyxx , Birkibrisly , Ahmed , Utu , YFred , Vuryek , Deniz and many more ?
Talking about fighting them does not help the negotiations taking place at the moment , do what what GR and Paphitis do , go for Ortikia !!

[Sotos]

If you don't like it that you are a minority in Cyprus then why you came to our island? When you came and ruled Cyprus for 300 years it was not a problem and now democracy is a problem because it means you can't rule Cyprus any more? The Turks are in Cyprus to deny to Cypriots our freedom. No question about it. Oracle don't talk to them. The only way to gain our freedom and democracy is to fight them. Words with the invaders is a waste of time.

When will you attack Sotos, can you make sure you wipe us all out this time.

Is this the only way to have freedom and democracy in Cyprus?