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[insan]

I can just wrap it up in a single sentence for you Y-Fronts…

The indigenous people of Cyprus will NEVER let you have your devious way on this island, and the only thing on offer is to join them so that your community may prosper too, BUT if you cannot join them then don’t even expect to exist as a community in the future.

Still too complicated? Try this…

If you can’t beat them join them but if you can’t join them you’re screwed.

This mentality loudly knocks the doors of partition.

U can try this, G-un-Real...

If u love her accept her equality and live together; if u don't love her, just divorce and let everyone go their own way. U r wasting everyone's valubale time by expecting her to consent the domination of u; either voluntarily or by force. It's just stupid, galimatias.

You came to this Island with nothing! Do you accept to leave with nothing?

When we came to this island u were nothing but serfs. What u had when we came to this island? Or what u had when u came to this island. U like galimatias a lot.

[YFred]

I can just wrap it up in a single sentence for you Y-Fronts…

The indigenous people of Cyprus will NEVER let you have your devious way on this island, and the only thing on offer is to join them so that your community may prosper too, BUT if you cannot join them then don’t even expect to exist as a community in the future.

Still too complicated? Try this…

If you can’t beat them join them but if you can’t join them you’re screwed.

Now look here Mr Gelding. If you are not careful we may get the vet to remove any extremities on your body left.
You cannot deny me the knowledge of the credible source that exists out there with your biased nonsensical interpretation.

All I asked is somebody to post the article from the Simmerini newspaper. I am not after Cyprus Crown Jewels. I already have them (Lurucina- get it).

[Sotos]

The Cyprus Problem is about Turks trying to take our lands. They keep invading our island and they keep bringing Turks on our island and they give to them the land they steal from us! And because we are nice we say "ok! Those of you who have been in Cyprus for many years can stay. But you now have to accept democracy and human rights". And they say "NO!. We don't like you so we don't want to stay together with you"!!!! Hey you fucking Turkish settler if you don't want to live with us why you didn't stay where you are along with the other Turks?? Why you keep coming to our island? How is it so easy for you to move 100.000s of Turkish Settlers IN Cyprus and it is not easy to move OUT of Cyprus and back to Turkey were you belong so we can solve the problem you created by invading our island? The Turks are the Problem of Cyprus! I was hoping that we could live in peace with them but they don't want to!! They don't like us! We are European they are Asian. We are Christians they are Muslim. We are just too different. They should go back to Turkey to live with people that they are similar to them. So there is only one solution and that is for the Turks to leave from Cyprus and this way solve the problem that was created by them coming to our island!

[YFred]

A federal structure is what was agreed to by makarios/denktash in 1977. For anyone not knowing what federal signifies, it is this, the federal government ie elected one man one vote, supercedes all other laws made in states, cities or playgrounds..The hightest law of the land is federal..anywhere where any law supercedes federal/central law then we are not a federal republic but rather confederate. Stated again the Tc leaders agreed to a federation in 1977, all peace initiatives have been geared towards a federation, now all of a sudden the Tc want to change the rules in midgame. in 1960, after signing the zurich agreements the where The Republic of Cyprus was formed as a democratic state, and in a democracy (obviously) majority rules, they changed the rules and withdrew when the Majority Greeks wanted to add the 13 points to the constitution...and the majority had every right to do so, if they didnt then Cyprus would not be a democracy. There can never be a solution to the Cyprus problem where the majority Greeks are to be oppressed. All the problems started in 1964 when the minority Turks tried to oppress the majority Greeks and suppress their rights as a majority.And the Tc have continued this policy to this day...

This is so much crap.
You tried to annihilate the TCs and you present it as you are being oppressed.
Well done.
Back to year 1 primary school.

[Sotos]

Hey you fucking invader. Who tried to annihilate whom? Isn't you who invaded our island multiple times? You killed many 10s of thousands of Cypriots. Ethnically cleansed 200.000! When did we try to annihilate you? When you fought back to defend our island from foreign invaders? I say the solution above. You created the problem to Cyprus by coming to our island and started to kill and oppress us! Go back to where you came from and all the problems of Cyprus will be solved.

[YFred]

Hey you fucking invader. Who tried to annihilate whom? Isn't you who invaded our island multiple times? You killed many 10s of thousands of Cypriots. Ethnically cleansed 200.000! When did we try to annihilate you? When you fought back to defend our island from foreign invaders? I say the solution above. You created the problem to Cyprus by coming to our island and started to kill and oppress us! Go back to where you came from and all the problems of Cyprus will be solved.

Between 23rd December 1963 and Jul 20th 1974. Or did I get the days wrong, give or take a few days. That is when my friend.

[Sotos]

Hey you fucking invader. Who tried to annihilate whom? Isn't you who invaded our island multiple times? You killed many 10s of thousands of Cypriots. Ethnically cleansed 200.000! When did we try to annihilate you? When you fought back to defend our island from foreign invaders? I say the solution above. You created the problem to Cyprus by coming to our island and started to kill and oppress us! Go back to where you came from and all the problems of Cyprus will be solved.

Between 23rd December 1963 and Jul 20th 1974. Or did I get the days wrong, give or take a few days. That is when my friend.

Between those dates you killed many more GCs. But why stop in those dates? You were annihilating Cypriots before and after those dates. The problem started when Turks came to Cyprus and started to kill and oppress us. They never stopped their crimes since then. They keep invading our island, they keep stealing our lands, they keep bringing their Settlers to our island and give them the land the steal from us! What do you think your "Turkish Cypriot" minority is? Turkish settlers who Turks brought to Cyprus and gave to them our lands! Don't you already call the new Settlers that you bring to Cyprus as "Turkish Cypriots" and you want them to be citizens of Cyprus? You do this because you know these new Settlers are just like you. Foreign thieves that come to our island to steal our lands! Go back to where you came from! Stop invading us! Stop occupying our island! Stop bringing your Turkish Settlers on our island! Go back to Turkey where you belong and to live among people that are similar to you since you can not live with us!

[Nikitas]

"you are terrified that the TC's will want independence"

Now who is missing the point! The problem is not that the TCs might want independence. The problem is that they will have taken 30 per cent of the island under false pretences, by pretending to be agreeing to a Federation.

This is why I have been clamouring all along that TERRITORY is the most important issue in these talks. A fair territorial settlement minimises the property problem, defines the future of the British bases, (they will burden the GC part), and prevents future conflicts if secession ever becomes an issue.

The rest of the so called "chapters" are secondary. It is obvious by now that the president of the Federation will be a figurehead position as will be the vice president and that the TCs are hell bent on claiming the maximum of autonomy but not so much that the GC part will also be fully independent. The last thing Turkey wants is a fully independent Greek Cypriot entity in the south. The TCs will be ordered to agree to enough Federation to keep the GCs in check.

Kifeas had posted a map some time ago of what a fair territorial arrangement looks like. IF we are talking on the basis of THAT map then we are going places if partition, disguised or otherwise is the plan.

[YFred]

"you are terrified that the TC's will want independence"

Now who is missing the point! The problem is not that the TCs might want independence. The problem is that they will have taken 30 per cent of the island under false pretences, by pretending to be agreeing to a Federation.

This is why I have been clamouring all along that TERRITORY is the most important issue in these talks. A fair territorial settlement minimises the property problem, defines the future of the British bases, (they will burden the GC part), and prevents future conflicts if secession ever becomes an issue.

The rest of the so called "chapters" are secondary. It is obvious by now that the president of the Federation will be a figurehead position as will be the vice president and that the TCs are hell bent on claiming the maximum of autonomy but not so much that the GC part will also be fully independent. The last thing Turkey wants is a fully independent Greek Cypriot entity in the south. The TCs will be ordered to agree to enough Federation to keep the GCs in check.

Kifeas had posted a map some time ago of what a fair territorial arrangement looks like. IF we are talking on the basis of THAT map then we are going places if partition, disguised or otherwise is the plan.

Goodness gracious me. I say, you've cracked it. Spot on.
After the agreement, TC will want to leave the EU with 30% of the land and go where? Mars? Uranus?
What a crazy idea.

[Piratis]

The TC have no right for any separate part of our island. All parts of Cyprus belong to Greek Cypriots by over 80%.

We are willing to make a huge compromise for federation, not because the Turks have any right for such thing, but because we are blackmailed and some of our leaders (wrongly in my opinion) decided to do so. As it is already said, in a Federation the federal government is elected by the people of the country as a whole, and the federal law takes precedence over any other law in the country.

This even happens in the Swiss confederation:

Swiss Confederation

Art. 49 Supremacy of and Respect for Federal Law
1 Federal law takes precedence over contrary cantonal law.
2 The Confederation shall ensure that the Cantons respect federal law.

http://www.admin.ch/

So the TCs not only they do not accept federation, but they want a confederation which is even more loose than the one of Switzerland. In other words: Partition.

As I said many times we are wasting our time negotiating with the Turks. They will accept nothing short of fully Turkifying the lands that they stole from us. We made a mistake by thinking that making such huge compromises will help to solve the problem. The only thing we managed by making such huge compromises is to make these Turks think that they have rights over the lands that they stole from us, something which encouraged them to make even more outrageous demands.