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[Oracle]

The present day Turks are the descendants of Ottoman Turks and Seljuk Turks etc. All came from the East (most earliest source from a region of Mongolia) as expansive nomadic tribes, eventually forming the Ottoman Empire. You are still Ottoman despite having the new name Turks after modern Turkey was created by Atatürk, who abolished the Ottoman sultanate and caliphate in 1922 and 1924 respectively. Although he removed these leaders, the people are still the same!

The Rise of the Turks and the Ottoman Empire

[Excerpted from Turkey: A Country Study. Paul M. Pitman III, ed. Washington, DC: Federal Research Division of the Library of Congress, 1987]
Turkish Origins
The first historical references to the Turks appear in Chinese records of about 200 B.C. These records refer to tribes called the Hsiung-nu, an early form of the Western term Hun, who lived in an area bounded by the Altai Mountains, Lake Baikal, and the northern edge of the Gobi Desert and are believed to have been the ancestors of the Turks. Specific references in Chinese sources in the sixth century A.D. identify the tribal kingdom called Tu-Küe located on the Orkhon River south of Lake Baikal. The khans (chiefs) of this tribe accepted the nominal suzerainty of the Tang dynasty. The earliest known example of writing in a Turkic language was found in that area and can be dated from about A.D. 730.

Other Turkish nomads from the Altai region founded the Görtürk Empire, a confederation of tribes under a dynasty of khans whose influence extended during the sixth to eighth centuries from the Aral Sea to the Hindu Kush in the land bridge known as Transoxania, i.e., across the Oxus River. The Görtürks are known to have been enlisted by a Byzantine emperor in the seventh century as allies against the Sassanians. In the eighth century some Turkish tribes, among them the Oguz, moved south of the Oxus River, while others migrated west to the northern shore of the Black Sea.

Great Seljuk Sultanate
The Turkish migrations after the sixth century were part of a general movement of peoples out of central Asia during the first millennium A.D. that was influenced by a number of interrelated factors--climatic changes, the strain of growing populations on a fragile pastoral economy, and pressure from stronger neighbors also on the move. Among those caught up in this spirit of restlessness on the steppes were the Oguz Turks, who had embraced Islam in the tenth century and established themselves around Bukhara in Transoxania under their khan, Seljuk. Split by dissension among the tribes, one branch of the Oguz had gone to India, while another, led by descendants of Seljuk, struck out to the west and entered service with the Abbasid caliphs of Baghdad, who were the spiritual leaders of Islam as well as temporal rulers of Mesopotamia, Syria, and Persia.

Known as gazis (warriors of the Islamic faith), the Turkish horsemen were organized in tribal bands to defend the frontiers of the caliphate, often against their own kinsmen.

[shahmaran]

The present day Turks are the descendants of Ottoman Turks and Seljuk Turks etc. All came from the East (most earliest source from a region of Mongolia) as expansive nomadic tribes, eventually forming the Ottoman Empire. You are still Ottoman despite having the new name Turks after modern Turkey was created by Atatürk, who abolished the Ottoman sultanate and caliphate in 1922 and 1924 respectively. Although he removed these leaders, the people are still the same!

The Rise of the Turks and the Ottoman Empire

[Excerpted from Turkey: A Country Study. Paul M. Pitman III, ed. Washington, DC: Federal Research Division of the Library of Congress, 1987]
Turkish Origins
The first historical references to the Turks appear in Chinese records of about 200 B.C. These records refer to tribes called the Hsiung-nu, an early form of the Western term Hun, who lived in an area bounded by the Altai Mountains, Lake Baikal, and the northern edge of the Gobi Desert and are believed to have been the ancestors of the Turks. Specific references in Chinese sources in the sixth century A.D. identify the tribal kingdom called Tu-Küe located on the Orkhon River south of Lake Baikal. The khans (chiefs) of this tribe accepted the nominal suzerainty of the Tang dynasty. The earliest known example of writing in a Turkic language was found in that area and can be dated from about A.D. 730.

Other Turkish nomads from the Altai region founded the Görtürk Empire, a confederation of tribes under a dynasty of khans whose influence extended during the sixth to eighth centuries from the Aral Sea to the Hindu Kush in the land bridge known as Transoxania, i.e., across the Oxus River. The Görtürks are known to have been enlisted by a Byzantine emperor in the seventh century as allies against the Sassanians. In the eighth century some Turkish tribes, among them the Oguz, moved south of the Oxus River, while others migrated west to the northern shore of the Black Sea.

Great Seljuk Sultanate
The Turkish migrations after the sixth century were part of a general movement of peoples out of central Asia during the first millennium A.D. that was influenced by a number of interrelated factors--climatic changes, the strain of growing populations on a fragile pastoral economy, and pressure from stronger neighbors also on the move. Among those caught up in this spirit of restlessness on the steppes were the Oguz Turks, who had embraced Islam in the tenth century and established themselves around Bukhara in Transoxania under their khan, Seljuk. Split by dissension among the tribes, one branch of the Oguz had gone to India, while another, led by descendants of Seljuk, struck out to the west and entered service with the Abbasid caliphs of Baghdad, who were the spiritual leaders of Islam as well as temporal rulers of Mesopotamia, Syria, and Persia.

Known as gazis (warriors of the Islamic faith), the Turkish horsemen were organized in tribal bands to defend the frontiers of the caliphate, often against their own kinsmen.

Great read with a typical conclusion.

What are you an idiot?

Who decides the policies, the leaders or the people?

Why haven't we "expanded" ever since?

Since being for the past 100 years!

Maybe we do in your little nightmares

Clearly we are NOT Mongolians and they are a separate people whom we had conflicts with as well.

This is just the tip of your shitberg.

You have just stated that you indeed have a problem with the people, since you claim to know that they are same as they were back in the Ottoman days. (!!)

Whatever that might be, which is irrelevant, the point is you are happy to generalize with no factual information and again prove what a racist you really are.

Why would anyone pay such a shit propagandist?

Why not pay someone who actually knows something?

Its beyond me

[Nikitas]

"GCs with help of Greece colonized 61% of territory of Cyprus and made it a Greek Republic of Cyprus."

Proof of this colonisation by Greece and when it happened? Are you claiming that the people in the RoC were imported since 1974? Are you nuts?

I have read in this forum and elsewhere that Greeks were brought over from Greece after the British took over and more such bullshit.

The British would not allow anyone in because they had strict aliens laws. During the Suez crisis they would not allow mainland Greeks fleeing Egypt to stay in Cyprus overnight to wait for a flight out.

So either provide evidence or stop flogging a dead horse.

[insan]

"GCs with help of Greece colonized 61% of territory of Cyprus and made it a Greek Republic of Cyprus."

Proof of this colonisation by Greece and when it happened? Are you claiming that the people in the RoC were imported since 1974? Are you nuts?

I have read in this forum and elsewhere that Greeks were brought over from Greece after the British took over and more such bullshit.

The British would not allow anyone in because they had strict aliens laws. During the Suez crisis they would not allow mainland Greeks fleeing Egypt to stay in Cyprus overnight to wait for a flight out.

So either provide evidence or stop flogging a dead horse.

Look at and examine these weird increasings and decreasings of GC population.

http://www.populstat.info/Asia/cyprusc.htm

[Nikitas]

I see nothing strange in those figures. The population of Cyprus increases as does the population of the whole world and at the same rate keeping abreast of improving nutrition, living conditions and medical advances like vaccines etc.

World population increased by a billion people in the last 25 years, are you suggesting that this was a result of colonisation by Greeks too?

[insan]

I see nothing strange in those figures. The population of Cyprus increases as does the population of the whole world and at the same rate keeping abreast of improving nutrition, living conditions and medical advances like vaccines etc.

World population increased by a billion people in the last 25 years, are you suggesting that this was a result of colonisation by Greeks too?

In that population stats there r some years that GC population increased 10.000, 15.000, 18.000 in one year while in most of the years the population increase was normally 6.000, 7.000 or 8.000.

Furthermore, dring the British rule, it is a well known fact that most of the TCs migrated to Turkey in early 1900s, 1923, 1945-46 and late 50s. Despite tens of thousands of TCs migrated mainly to Turkey and some other countries of the world; there r some years during British rule that total population of Cyprus increased abnormally.

[Oracle]

The present day Turks are the descendants of Ottoman Turks and Seljuk Turks etc. All came from the East (most earliest source from a region of Mongolia) as expansive nomadic tribes, eventually forming the Ottoman Empire. You are still Ottoman despite having the new name Turks after modern Turkey was created by Atatürk, who abolished the Ottoman sultanate and caliphate in 1922 and 1924 respectively. Although he removed these leaders, the people are still the same!

The Rise of the Turks and the Ottoman Empire

[Excerpted from Turkey: A Country Study. Paul M. Pitman III, ed. Washington, DC: Federal Research Division of the Library of Congress, 1987]
Turkish Origins
The first historical references to the Turks appear in Chinese records of about 200 B.C. These records refer to tribes called the Hsiung-nu, an early form of the Western term Hun, who lived in an area bounded by the Altai Mountains, Lake Baikal, and the northern edge of the Gobi Desert and are believed to have been the ancestors of the Turks. Specific references in Chinese sources in the sixth century A.D. identify the tribal kingdom called Tu-Küe located on the Orkhon River south of Lake Baikal. The khans (chiefs) of this tribe accepted the nominal suzerainty of the Tang dynasty. The earliest known example of writing in a Turkic language was found in that area and can be dated from about A.D. 730.

Other Turkish nomads from the Altai region founded the Görtürk Empire, a confederation of tribes under a dynasty of khans whose influence extended during the sixth to eighth centuries from the Aral Sea to the Hindu Kush in the land bridge known as Transoxania, i.e., across the Oxus River. The Görtürks are known to have been enlisted by a Byzantine emperor in the seventh century as allies against the Sassanians. In the eighth century some Turkish tribes, among them the Oguz, moved south of the Oxus River, while others migrated west to the northern shore of the Black Sea.

Great Seljuk Sultanate
The Turkish migrations after the sixth century were part of a general movement of peoples out of central Asia during the first millennium A.D. that was influenced by a number of interrelated factors--climatic changes, the strain of growing populations on a fragile pastoral economy, and pressure from stronger neighbors also on the move. Among those caught up in this spirit of restlessness on the steppes were the Oguz Turks, who had embraced Islam in the tenth century and established themselves around Bukhara in Transoxania under their khan, Seljuk. Split by dissension among the tribes, one branch of the Oguz had gone to India, while another, led by descendants of Seljuk, struck out to the west and entered service with the Abbasid caliphs of Baghdad, who were the spiritual leaders of Islam as well as temporal rulers of Mesopotamia, Syria, and Persia.

Known as gazis (warriors of the Islamic faith), the Turkish horsemen were organized in tribal bands to defend the frontiers of the caliphate, often against their own kinsmen.

Great read with a typical conclusion.

What are you an idiot?

Who decides the policies, the leaders or the people?

Why haven't we "expanded" ever since?

Since being for the past 100 years!

Maybe we do in your little nightmares

Clearly we are NOT Mongolians and they are a separate people whom we had conflicts with as well.

This is just the tip of your shitberg.

You have just stated that you indeed have a problem with the people, since you claim to know that they are same as they were back in the Ottoman days. (!!)

Whatever that might be, which is irrelevant, the point is you are happy to generalize with no factual information and again prove what a racist you really are.

Why would anyone pay such a shit propagandist?

Why not pay someone who actually knows something?

Its beyond me

I don't know why they pay you shah, but I wouldn't have described you quite as shit

You are certainly good at repeating the "racist" word in the hope it will stick. Ignoring of course that you had to come from somewhere since the unique migration we all have in common (Africa), that all unadulterated historical records point to your recent emergence from the East, that you were tribal, and expanded into Europe, later pushed back, and eventually renamed yourselves Turks. Since then you have seized further territory that is not yours, kept slightly in check by super-powers beyond your control (mostly).

Enjoy your most newly acquired territory (for now), which you have cleansed of GCs, proof of your real racist expansions, as you shout denials.

[RAFAELLA]

Do you realise you are the laughing stock of Europe ... probably the World ... that an 18% can proclaim they are not a minority!

No one can trust you because you are blind and innumerate!

Pitiful ....

Everyone always believed us. When our political equality was proven right for the last time; the date was 2004. Since then noone except some political groups of GC and Hellenes told us that we r a minority in Cyprus.

Everyone always believed you?!
That is why for more than 30 years you are trying to convience international community to recognize your puppet state, because everyone always believed you! ...and that is why you go round with CyR passports and ID cards, because everyone always believed you!

[shahmaran]

If I did get payed I'd spend a hell of a lot more time here that's for sure, like achieving a staggering 11k posts in exactly 1 year.

That is 30 posts a day which is more than 1 post per hour EVERY DAY consequently for 1 year!!!

And we are only talking about the numbers under your "Oracle" alias and not the one you had when you first came which you tried to change with a swift and hidden maneuver, you sly fox!

This is serious dedication Oracle, dedication that can only be PAYED FOR!

I have been here exactly 2 years and only did 3000 posts, cannot even compare!

Anyways, you do not tell us anything new about our past.

We didn't rename ourselves as Turks since we were Turks of one kind or another for over a thousand years.

What we did was cleanse ourselves from the ruling of an elite family.

Ottomans are not a race, they were just a family that managed to stay in power for 600 years ruling many countries as well as us and leaving behind a collapsed population who was very poor and very uneducated, that's where Ataturk came in and not only changed the leaders -as you say- but his biggest achievement was the reforms he brought on the people which affected almost every inch of their lives. He changed the people too!

Anyways I don't see how any of this actually proves that we do not belong here in Cyprus.

THATS what you try to bring all this and it just doesn't stick.

What does stick though are your racist intentions.

We never "expanded" into North Cyprus within Turkeys time, we expanded in the Ottoman times. What we did now though is bring Turkish troops in to stop you from finishing what you started in the 50s and 60s, which is to deny us from our homelands!

They are not here to stay but we are!

You say you are not racist yet you are a dedicated worker who is out to prove that a nation does not belong to their homeland over the Internet and you insist on doing this based on spreading very false arguments which are magically summed down to the fact that Turks must go!

You stench of racism is so overwhelming that I just cannot bring myself to comprehend how the hell you can deny it like that!!

[shahmaran]

Do you realise you are the laughing stock of Europe ... probably the World ... that an 18% can proclaim they are not a minority!

No one can trust you because you are blind and innumerate!

Pitiful ....

Everyone always believed us. When our political equality was proven right for the last time; the date was 2004. Since then noone except some political groups of GC and Hellenes told us that we r a minority in Cyprus.

Everyone always believed you?!
That is why for more than 30 years you are trying to convience international community to recognize your puppet state, because everyone always believed you! ...and that is why you go round with CyR passports and ID cards, because everyone always believed you!

Recognition never came anywhere because of universal rights or legality, always brought in by one part as political ammunition towards another, just like Kosovo. Someone will always end up crying when it happens.

If the US today decided that the TRNC will be recognized, there wouldn't be an inch of shit you can do about it.

And don't think that the time will never come, one day you getting these lands will be as likely as the Palestinians pushing the Israelis out for their "native lands".