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Turkish Cypriots and the settlers puzzle

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby insan » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:38 pm

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shahmaran wrote:You were just a hand full of peasants living under one of the biggest empires on the planet.

What you think you were ever so special that got special treatment from the Ottomans, who constantly needed to "oppress and kill you"?

You were just as oppressed or happy or free as anyone else living under the Ottoman rule.

Yet you are the one who still bitches about it because you have been filled with this shit to help you fight in your unjust war in order to prevent us people from living on our country in peace.




http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/Turkish.php


http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/Turkis ... ctures.htm


:lol: http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/images ... -front.jpg

A "very credible" human rights websites that sells Turkish T-shirts. :lol:

Oracles the great philosopher, don't feel ashamed of posting one of the Gene Rossides sponsored anti-Turkish websites for ur propaganda self-satisfactin. :lol: Ridiculous lil girl Oracles. :lol:
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Postby insan » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:40 pm

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insan wrote:
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I was trying to find where all this hatred is coming from other than ( you invaded the island twice and bla bla )


So you think that invading our island, ethnically cleansing us and stealing our land is not a big deal and that we shouldn't hate you for it? :roll:


First "you" started invading our island, ethnically cleansing us and stealing our land between the years 1963-67. Then in 1974 it was "you" again prepared yourself to invade whole Cyprus and finish "your" job with a Junta backed fascist criminals together with significant amount of NG and reservists. As a consequence of the combat between Hellenic forces and Turkish forces u managed to capture only 61% of our Island and 35% remained for us? So why do u cry now for something "you" caused.


well said Insan ..... This is the summary of the Bloody Cyprus problem that we are living since 21'st December 1963 .


Thats right Halil...we dressed up our dad's and uncles into turkish soldiers and they kicked us out of our homes while raping little girls on the way.

your lack of respect to the personal losses of 200,000 GC's in 74 is an insult to all of us. I have always shown respect and remorse at any atrocities that were committed by the GC's in the 60's but now this is the end. You don't give a shit and the cover up of cooperation as you call it is fine as long as you have your own way and Bayrak keeps you all on the payroll after a solution.

To claim that you defended and remained with 35% of the land that just happens to include the homes of 200,000 people is a spit in the face.

The bloody Cyprus problem that your dipshit friend just described forgot to say a few things,.

It left out the TMT killings and provocazia that started the violence, it left out the instructions from Turkish Generals leading units of TMT fighters in Cyprus....it left out the mass killing by napalm while you were "defending" yourselves, it left out the countless atrocities your Troops and the TC traitors of this island who joined hands along with the GC traitors to FUCK the rest of us up.

It left out the fact that the island was ready to agree to a peaceful resolution before you decided that you need to steal 35% of the island in a SECOND invasion. It left out that Turkey has broken the Treaty of Gurantee by maintaing its troops on this island and by declaring a separate bastard state.

Thats right, he left many things out which you off course agree with


DT, can u please answer my questions briefly?

1- What should Turkish leadership have done when Makarios proposed 13 amendments with a sole aim of degrading TCs into minority status?

2- How should TMT have acted during those years while u had many more than TMT alike organizations ready to act like TMT?

Please tell me. Where did TC leadership, TMT and Turkey go wrong?


Give ne a break...the Turkish govt called on Kutchuk and denktash to go back into the govt. Kutchuk wrote a very touching letter saying he'd rather go back to turkey. Can you tell me why there were plans to leave the govt found in your ministers cabinets issued by denktash and kutchuk before the amendments even came up?

You wanted taksim mate....face it with or without the amednments you would have left the govt and found some way to invite turkey into our island.


Because they knew from the 1940s and onwards that GC community backed by Greece would never accept political equality of TC community. They considered the situation as a waste of time. They knew the GC leadership and the then situation in Cyprus far better than Inonu; a prime minister that his priority was the huge problems of his own country.

What would have changed if TCs had returned to RoC? GC leadership would have stepped back of degrading TCs into minority status? They would have given up Enosis policy?

Do u mean had TCs not abandoned their posts in RoC; GC leadership would have never proposed 13 amendments and given up majority rule and Enosis?


Come on DT, I answered your questions. Please u too answer my questions.
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Postby shahmaran » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:45 pm

insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
shahmaran wrote:You were just a hand full of peasants living under one of the biggest empires on the planet.

What you think you were ever so special that got special treatment from the Ottomans, who constantly needed to "oppress and kill you"?

You were just as oppressed or happy or free as anyone else living under the Ottoman rule.

Yet you are the one who still bitches about it because you have been filled with this shit to help you fight in your unjust war in order to prevent us people from living on our country in peace.




http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/Turkish.php


http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/Turkis ... ctures.htm


:lol: http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/images ... -front.jpg

A "very credible" human rights websites that sells Turkish T-shirts. :lol:

Oracles the great philosopher, don't feel ashamed of posting one of the Gene Rossides sponsored anti-Turkish websites for ur propaganda self-satisfactin. :lol: Ridiculous lil girl Oracles. :lol:


Shes probably helping an old partner get some hits :P
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Postby Oracle » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:48 pm

insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
shahmaran wrote:You were just a hand full of peasants living under one of the biggest empires on the planet.

What you think you were ever so special that got special treatment from the Ottomans, who constantly needed to "oppress and kill you"?

You were just as oppressed or happy or free as anyone else living under the Ottoman rule.

Yet you are the one who still bitches about it because you have been filled with this shit to help you fight in your unjust war in order to prevent us people from living on our country in peace.




http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/Turkish.php


http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/Turkis ... ctures.htm


:lol: http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/images ... -front.jpg

A "very credible" human rights websites that sells Turkish T-shirts. :lol:

Oracles the great philosopher, don't feel ashamed of posting one of the Gene Rossides sponsored anti-Turkish websites for ur propaganda self-satisfactin. :lol: Ridiculous lil girl Oracles. :lol:


I guess you deprived Turks don't know that a lot of people in the West wear Greenpeace or Amnesty T-shirts ... :lol:


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The UHRC operates in modes of campaigns. Each campaign is geared toward one government who distorts, denies, and deludes its own history to disguise past and present genocides, massacres, and human rights violations. Campaigns will last up to five years. They are structured in phases and steps, which include education, awareness, political activism, petition drives, and mainly consumer boycotts. These phases are to reduce tax revenues that we, as Americans, provide to such governments who in turn use them for denial efforts.

The first campaign of the UHRC will be geared toward the government of Turkey. The government of Turkey not only has one of the worst human rights violations records in the world today, but also works hard to deny its acts of genocide toward the Armenian people between 1914-1923. By denying genocide, the present day government of Turkey becomes guilty of the same genocide as well. With the stance the present day government of Turkey holds, it becomes a direct threat to all humanity and even civilization as a whole. The UHRC will work to educate the people worldwide of the human rights violations this government commits and, through boycotts and grassroots mobilization; will encourage businesses and consumers to stop buying and selling products made in Turkey. As exports from Turkey decreases so does tax revenues the government generates, which will slowly eliminate its efforts of denial.


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Postby shahmaran » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:00 pm

This is not some independent source.

As opposed to its name, the whole site is actually about Turkey.

Plus their homepage doesn't work.

So its just a very shit and amateur page made by Oracles buddies to find its place amongst the other millions of Greek and Armenians sites, this too will soon finds its rightful place on top of the propaganda junk pile.

Nice try Oracle, come back when its actually complete and then we can rip it apart for you, no worries ;)
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Postby Oracle » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:03 pm

shahmaran wrote:This is not some independent source.

As opposed to its name, the whole site is actually about Turkey.

Plus their homepage doesn't work.

So its just a very shit and amateur page made by Oracles buddies to find its place amongst the other millions of Greek and Armenians sites, this too will soon finds its rightful place on top of the propaganda junk pile.

Nice try Oracle, come back when its actually complete and then we can rip it apart for you, no worries ;)


No, please! ... Have a go at "ripping it apart" now! .... if you can! :lol:

Face facts!
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Postby insan » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:05 pm

Oracle wrote:
shahmaran wrote:This is not some independent source.

As opposed to its name, the whole site is actually about Turkey.

Plus their homepage doesn't work.

So its just a very shit and amateur page made by Oracles buddies to find its place amongst the other millions of Greek and Armenians sites, this too will soon finds its rightful place on top of the propaganda junk pile.

Nice try Oracle, come back when its actually complete and then we can rip it apart for you, no worries ;)


No, please! ... Have a go at "ripping it apart" now! .... if you can! :lol:

Face facts!


"Facts" of Turk haters not human rights protectors. :lol:
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Postby shahmaran » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:06 pm

Oracle wrote:
shahmaran wrote:This is not some independent source.

As opposed to its name, the whole site is actually about Turkey.

Plus their homepage doesn't work.

So its just a very shit and amateur page made by Oracles buddies to find its place amongst the other millions of Greek and Armenians sites, this too will soon finds its rightful place on top of the propaganda junk pile.

Nice try Oracle, come back when its actually complete and then we can rip it apart for you, no worries ;)


No, please! ... Have a go at "ripping it apart" now! .... if you can! :lol:

Face facts!


There is nothing here that you have not previously put forward which we have not ripped apart, just because you choose to ignore facts and support propaganda material, that's your preference.

Your profession too as a matter of fact :lol:
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Postby Piratis » Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:48 pm

insan wrote:
DT. wrote:
halil wrote:
insan wrote:
Sotos wrote:
I was trying to find where all this hatred is coming from other than ( you invaded the island twice and bla bla )


So you think that invading our island, ethnically cleansing us and stealing our land is not a big deal and that we shouldn't hate you for it? :roll:


First "you" started invading our island, ethnically cleansing us and stealing our land between the years 1963-67. Then in 1974 it was "you" again prepared yourself to invade whole Cyprus and finish "your" job with a Junta backed fascist criminals together with significant amount of NG and reservists. As a consequence of the combat between Hellenic forces and Turkish forces u managed to capture only 61% of our Island and 35% remained for us? So why do u cry now for something "you" caused.


well said Insan ..... This is the summary of the Bloody Cyprus problem that we are living since 21'st December 1963 .


Thats right Halil...we dressed up our dad's and uncles into turkish soldiers and they kicked us out of our homes while raping little girls on the way.

your lack of respect to the personal losses of 200,000 GC's in 74 is an insult to all of us. I have always shown respect and remorse at any atrocities that were committed by the GC's in the 60's but now this is the end. You don't give a shit and the cover up of cooperation as you call it is fine as long as you have your own way and Bayrak keeps you all on the payroll after a solution.

To claim that you defended and remained with 35% of the land that just happens to include the homes of 200,000 people is a spit in the face.

The bloody Cyprus problem that your dipshit friend just described forgot to say a few things,.

It left out the TMT killings and provocazia that started the violence, it left out the instructions from Turkish Generals leading units of TMT fighters in Cyprus....it left out the mass killing by napalm while you were "defending" yourselves, it left out the countless atrocities your Troops and the TC traitors of this island who joined hands along with the GC traitors to FUCK the rest of us up.

It left out the fact that the island was ready to agree to a peaceful resolution before you decided that you need to steal 35% of the island in a SECOND invasion. It left out that Turkey has broken the Treaty of Gurantee by maintaing its troops on this island and by declaring a separate bastard state.

Thats right, he left many things out which you off course agree with


DT, can u please answer my questions briefly?

1- What should Turkish leadership have done when Makarios proposed 13 amendments with a sole aim of degrading TCs into minority status?

2- How should TMT have acted during those years while u had many more than TMT alike organizations ready to act like TMT?

Please tell me. Where did TC leadership, TMT and Turkey go wrong?


What they did wrong started long before that. It started in 1958 when the TCs, armed by Turkey, collaborated with the British colonialists in order to oppress the revolution of the Cypriot people, and later imposed on the Cypriot people the 1960 agreements, where the British, Turks and the TC minority had gains on the expense of the Cypriot people.

TCs are a minority. How do you think Turks would react if some foreign power, say Russia, invaded them and then forced them that the Greek minority in Turkey is supposdedly not a minority, and it would have veto powers in everything that the Turks wanted to do in Turkey?

Makarios proposals were made to make the constitution democratic and fair and what you had to do was to accept them.
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Postby insan » Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:53 pm

Piratis wrote:
insan wrote:
DT. wrote:
halil wrote:
insan wrote:
Sotos wrote:
I was trying to find where all this hatred is coming from other than ( you invaded the island twice and bla bla )


So you think that invading our island, ethnically cleansing us and stealing our land is not a big deal and that we shouldn't hate you for it? :roll:


First "you" started invading our island, ethnically cleansing us and stealing our land between the years 1963-67. Then in 1974 it was "you" again prepared yourself to invade whole Cyprus and finish "your" job with a Junta backed fascist criminals together with significant amount of NG and reservists. As a consequence of the combat between Hellenic forces and Turkish forces u managed to capture only 61% of our Island and 35% remained for us? So why do u cry now for something "you" caused.


well said Insan ..... This is the summary of the Bloody Cyprus problem that we are living since 21'st December 1963 .


Thats right Halil...we dressed up our dad's and uncles into turkish soldiers and they kicked us out of our homes while raping little girls on the way.

your lack of respect to the personal losses of 200,000 GC's in 74 is an insult to all of us. I have always shown respect and remorse at any atrocities that were committed by the GC's in the 60's but now this is the end. You don't give a shit and the cover up of cooperation as you call it is fine as long as you have your own way and Bayrak keeps you all on the payroll after a solution.

To claim that you defended and remained with 35% of the land that just happens to include the homes of 200,000 people is a spit in the face.

The bloody Cyprus problem that your dipshit friend just described forgot to say a few things,.

It left out the TMT killings and provocazia that started the violence, it left out the instructions from Turkish Generals leading units of TMT fighters in Cyprus....it left out the mass killing by napalm while you were "defending" yourselves, it left out the countless atrocities your Troops and the TC traitors of this island who joined hands along with the GC traitors to FUCK the rest of us up.

It left out the fact that the island was ready to agree to a peaceful resolution before you decided that you need to steal 35% of the island in a SECOND invasion. It left out that Turkey has broken the Treaty of Gurantee by maintaing its troops on this island and by declaring a separate bastard state.

Thats right, he left many things out which you off course agree with


DT, can u please answer my questions briefly?

1- What should Turkish leadership have done when Makarios proposed 13 amendments with a sole aim of degrading TCs into minority status?

2- How should TMT have acted during those years while u had many more than TMT alike organizations ready to act like TMT?

Please tell me. Where did TC leadership, TMT and Turkey go wrong?


What they did wrong started long before that. It started in 1958 when the TCs, armed by Turkey, collaborated with the British colonialists in order to oppress the revolution of the Cypriot people, and later imposed on the Cypriot people the 1960 agreements, where the British, Turks and the TC minority had gains on the expense of the Cypriot people.

TCs are a minority. How do you think Turks would react if some foreign power, say Russia, invaded them and then forced them that the Greek minority in Turkey is supposdedly not a minority, and it would have veto powers in everything that the Turks wanted to do in Turkey?

Makarios proposals were made to make the constitution democratic and fair and what you had to do was to accept them.


Galimatioas for us TCs that a community has never been a minority in their homeland. We struggled not to be a minority and we will keep struggling not to be a minority like Kosovans, Macedonians and all others.
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