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[insan]

Yes mate , piss off !!
What a Plonker !

All tc's and turkish politicians are speaking of confederation Milt. Who exactly are you blaming for the stalemate? Tpap said no to a bad Annan Plan, had he negotiated it and made it better do you really think the talks would have gone that far. The travesty that was the Annan plan was still not good enough for some as Denktash pointed out that the army was ready to intervene after we had declared the Republic null and void.

Cyprus is indeed for the Cypriots Milti, but the way things are going with bananiots partying being heard in the background about 50-50 govt participation...it seems that Cyprus will soon be compromised of Cypriots and Super Cypriots who have 4 times the voting and govt power.

Cyprus will only survive in a true democracy where all men and women are equal.

GCs have absolutely nothing to loose where 2 main communities of Cyprus share the legislative and judicial powers on 50/50 basis. If u still claim it would be detrimental for GC community please list me 10 probable to be appear cases and then we can discuss abt it.

50/50 power sharing has only one aim and that is not as u exert to portray it anti-democratic or giving the full control of Cyprus in hands of Turks but balancing the powers of 2 main communities of Cyprus towards encouraging them to cooperation and consociationalism.

Just hold on a minute mate . You want to fly the Turkish flag while at the same time you want to be 50 % partner in the administration of Cyprus , well mate it ain't going to happen. You are either a Cypriot in which case you are part of the majority or you are a Turk , a foreigner , that will just have to accept proportional representation .

Where did I mention that i want to fly the Turkish flag and in the mean time I want to be 50 % partner in the administration of Cyprus? Milti, either prove ur nonsense or don't make nonsense at all.

[bill cobbett]

Yes mate , piss off !!
What a Plonker !

All tc's and turkish politicians are speaking of confederation Milt. Who exactly are you blaming for the stalemate? Tpap said no to a bad Annan Plan, had he negotiated it and made it better do you really think the talks would have gone that far. The travesty that was the Annan plan was still not good enough for some as Denktash pointed out that the army was ready to intervene after we had declared the Republic null and void.

Cyprus is indeed for the Cypriots Milti, but the way things are going with bananiots partying being heard in the background about 50-50 govt participation...it seems that Cyprus will soon be compromised of Cypriots and Super Cypriots who have 4 times the voting and govt power.

Cyprus will only survive in a true democracy where all men and women are equal.

I will keep it short. I opposed the AP and will oppose any future plan that is not based on one man one vote .

Hi Milt. Hope you are well.

Can you equally quickly remind us of where you stand on BBF?

[miltiades]

Yes mate , piss off !!
What a Plonker !

All tc's and turkish politicians are speaking of confederation Milt. Who exactly are you blaming for the stalemate? Tpap said no to a bad Annan Plan, had he negotiated it and made it better do you really think the talks would have gone that far. The travesty that was the Annan plan was still not good enough for some as Denktash pointed out that the army was ready to intervene after we had declared the Republic null and void.

Cyprus is indeed for the Cypriots Milti, but the way things are going with bananiots partying being heard in the background about 50-50 govt participation...it seems that Cyprus will soon be compromised of Cypriots and Super Cypriots who have 4 times the voting and govt power.

Cyprus will only survive in a true democracy where all men and women are equal.

I will keep it short. I opposed the AP and will oppose any future plan that is not based on one man one vote .

Hi Milt. Hope you are well.

Can you equally quickly remind us of where you stand on BBF?

Where I always stood Bill.
Given the present conditions there is only one solution and that is the one under discussions currently between the RoC and Turkey / T/Cs .
The question is what form will the BBF take.
I'm totally in favour of a BBF as supported by the UN , the EU , the USA and also supported by Greece's government , which in essence translates to one unified island , one identity and one nation , the nation of Cyprus.
I understand that reaching an agreement will not be easy but I'm hopeful we shall get there at the end.
I do support a strong central government .

[bill cobbett]

Yes mate , piss off !!
What a Plonker !

All tc's and turkish politicians are speaking of confederation Milt. Who exactly are you blaming for the stalemate? Tpap said no to a bad Annan Plan, had he negotiated it and made it better do you really think the talks would have gone that far. The travesty that was the Annan plan was still not good enough for some as Denktash pointed out that the army was ready to intervene after we had declared the Republic null and void.

Cyprus is indeed for the Cypriots Milti, but the way things are going with bananiots partying being heard in the background about 50-50 govt participation...it seems that Cyprus will soon be compromised of Cypriots and Super Cypriots who have 4 times the voting and govt power.

Cyprus will only survive in a true democracy where all men and women are equal.

I will keep it short. I opposed the AP and will oppose any future plan that is not based on one man one vote .

Hi Milt. Hope you are well.

Can you equally quickly remind us of where you stand on BBF?

Where I always stood Bill.
Given the present conditions there is only one solution and that is the one under discussions currently between the RoC and Turkey / T/Cs .
The question is what form will the BBF take.
I'm totally in favour of a BBF as supported by the UN , the EU , the USA and also supported by Greece's government , which in essence translates to one unified island , one identity and one nation , the nation of Cyprus.
I understand that reaching an agreement will not be easy but I'm hopeful we shall get there at the end.
I do support a strong central government .

Thanks for that babbou Milti.

Yes I thought your position was unchanged.

It's just that I read your commendable post a page or two back on this thread and as ever looked for areas of agreement or otherwise, as we all do, and found myself agreeing with every word but now of course, with your reaffirmation of an (albeit highly qualified) BBF I regret to say we must agree to differ.

[utu]

Both Pres. Christofas and TC Leader Talat - no matter how friendly they are to each other personally - are constantly reminded by their backers as to what to cede and what to hold fast upon. It won't be because of Christofas and Talat that these talks will fail, it will be in spite of what they tried to do to mend the rift.

Democracy means rule by the majority, and the Turkish Cypriot element is going to have to realize that this means the Greek Cypriots are the majority in Cyprus. If the Turkish Cypriots insist on safeguards and a voice in running things, then consider the bicarmal government option of a popularly elected lower house based on population distribution, and a senate (upper house) that - based on equal representation from all four major communities on the island - will ensure that discriminatory laws won't pass, and will have the right to veto any presidential decrees that take a discriminatory line...

[insan]

Both Pres. Christofas and TC Leader Talat - no matter how friendly they are to each other personally - are constantly reminded by their backers as to what to cede and what to hold fast upon. It won't be because of Christofas and Talat that these talks will fail, it will be in spite of what they tried to do to mend the rift.

Democracy means rule by the majority, and the Turkish Cypriot element is going to have to realize that this means the Greek Cypriots are the majority in Cyprus. If the Turkish Cypriots insist on safeguards and a voice in running things, then consider the bicarmal government option of a popularly elected lower house based on population distribution, and a senate (upper house) that - based on equal representation from all four major communities on the island - will ensure that discriminatory laws won't pass, and will have the right to veto any presidential decrees that take a discriminatory line...

4 major communities? There r 2 major communities in Cyprus, Utu. One is 70% and the other is 25%. Two minor communities of Cyprus namely Armenians and Maronites which constitute abt 5% of population have always been considered a part of the GC community.

[Get Real!]

There r 2 major communities in Cyprus, Utu. One is 70% and the other is 25%.

[boulio]

says who?do you have any links to prove that?like i said before whats good for the goose is good for the gander.you whant to be equal even though you are 1/5 of the population.than the maronites and armenians who would be 1/5 of the total minorites will have equal rights of the Majority of the minorty.(t/c)

[insan]

There r 2 major communities in Cyprus, Utu. One is 70% and the other is 25%.

When the population of a country consists of many ethnic groups; the ones which have significantly more population than others can be refered as 2 major communities.

Hindus and Christians are the two major communities in Goa. Goa's population consists of 65% Hindus and 30% Christians and the other 5% of Muslims and other religions.

http://www.liveindia.com/goa/tips.html

This fact alone speaks volumes about the relations between the two major communities of Cyprus, what they yearn for, and more significantly, how they envision their common future....

http://muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=/journals ... iades.html

Citizens of Muslim background make up the largest traditional religious group (65 to 70 percent of the population) and are divided into two major communities: those associated with a moderate form of Sunni Islam and those associated with the Bektashi school (a particularly liberal form of Shi'a Sufism).

www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,USDOS,, ... clnk&cd=19

In Canada, multiculturalism represents a formula for the a harmonious coexistence of the two major communities and serves to safeguard the unity and integrity of the nation.

http://www.ourcivilisation.com/cooray/m ... /index.htm

It is a well known fact that one of the 2 major communities of Cyprus(TCs) has never been a minority in their homeland. Another well known fact abt 2 major communities of Cyprus is that there's an ongoing rivalry which appeared abt 100 years ago and deep divisive elements between the socio-political and socia-historical perspectives/beliefs of 2 communities.

Ignoring these facts and amusing urself with some non-existing theories r just galimatias.

[RichardB]

It is a well known fact that one of the 2 major communities of Cyprus(TCs) has never been a minority in their homeland.

The Council of Europe estimates that there are about 115,000 Turkish
settlers in TRNC, outnumbering the 87,000 Turkish Cypriots.
http://www.tusiad.us/Content/uploaded/E ... YPRUS,%20A%
20REFERENDUM%20FOR%20SETTLEMENT.PDF

It seems that the TCs are only the 3rd largest ethnic group in Cyprus so not one of the two majorities in their homeland