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Turkey Torturing and Executing Civilians ... Again!

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Get Real! » Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:45 am

growuptcs wrote:
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growuptcs wrote:
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Get Real! wrote:I think some of us are wasting far too much time bashing the already over-bashed Turkey, when what we should be doing is using that time to tackle the disastrous Turkish Cypriot agenda to repeat 1963.


Since when have the TCs had an autonomous agenda separate from the influence of Turkey?

It’s the TCs that are the problem on Cyprus which is being taken advantage of by Turkey to excuse everything she then does.


The TC's have an invisible gun to their heads, which is why you'll never hear their voices.

Unlike some of my fellow compatriots, I tend to disagree with the notion that the TCs have no say in this and that it’s always Turkey behind everything etc…

The TCs are full of shit (take it from unkie GR) because if they really wanted they could be out on the streets tomorrow holding banners asking Turkey to go but instead they are playing the “victims stuck in the middle” crap!

In Cypriot we have the perfect words to describe what the TCs are really all about… “bagaboties” and “abadeones”!


With all due respect to to them Get Real, your asking them to commit suicide now.

I didn't see anyone committing suicide in 2003 when they were all out on the streets dumping pro-Turkey Donktosh... :wink:
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Postby growuptcs » Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:46 am

They still wouldn't be able to sleep at night fearing their own, unless their military are gone.
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:50 am

growuptcs wrote:They still wouldn't be able to sleep at night fearing their own, unless their military are gone.

As if Turkey can do anything about a TC demonstration in this day and age with the EU down her throat all day...
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Postby growuptcs » Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:53 am

I believe only a superpower can tell them to get the hell out, or cut off their supply lines COMPLETELY.
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Postby growuptcs » Sun Mar 01, 2009 5:12 am

Meant Turkeys supply lines not the TC's.
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Postby insan » Sun Mar 01, 2009 5:24 am

insan wrote:Simply because some Hellenic idiot groups provoke them for a so-called common cause.

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This map explains all, Oracle. There's no need for further explanation. According to u Turkey occupies Cyprus, according to us GCs with help of Greece occupies Cyprus. Shame on UN that gifted "RoC" to u. U owe ur arrogance to US sponsored UN that gifted "RoC" to u; for the sake of stability of NATO and US interests on Balkans.
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3 Greek Officials Removed Over Rebel Kurd's Capture

Postby insan » Sun Mar 01, 2009 5:50 am

Seeking to contain a growing scandal over Greece's role in the capture of a Kurdish rebel leader, Prime Minister Costas Simitis replaced his Foreign Minister and two other Cabinet members.

George Papandreou, son of Greece's former Prime Minister, Andreas Papandreou, who died in 1996, will replace Foreign Minister Theodoros Pangalos, who has been assigned most of the blame in the Government for what is being called ''the fiasco'' here.

Today Government officials gave their explanation of how Greece had come to secretly harbor the Kurdish leader, Abdullah Ocalan, and then was unable to protect him from Turkish security forces.

A Deputy Foreign Minister known as mild-mannered and moderate, Mr. Papandreou did not hide his dismay over the Government's bungled diplomacy. ''By whatever mistakes, Greece has partial responsibility for turning Mr. Ocalan over to Turkey,'' he said. ''There is an obvious feeling of humiliation in public opinion that has to be recognized.''

The arrest of Mr. Ocalan, who was under Greek protection in Nairobi until he was seized by Turkish agents, was devastating to most Greeks, who sympathize with the Kurdish cause or at least share the Kurds' animosity for the Greeks' historic enemies, the Turks.
Today, 10,000 people demonstrated here in support of Mr. Ocalan's Kurdistan Workers Party and against the Government's actions, and Greek television repeatedly showed images of Mr. Ocalan being blindfolded by his Turkish captors.

Criticism of what the Government did -- or failed to do -- is unlikely to subside easily. The Ocalan affair could worsen already tense relations between Greece and Turkey.

After Mr. Ocalan's capture on Monday, enraged Kurdish protesters occupied Greek diplomatic posts all over the world to protest what they initially viewed as Greece's betrayal of the Kurdish leader.

The Government's muddled explanation -- that it had sought a safe haven for Mr. Ocalan, but was duped by Mr. Ocalan, the Kenyan Government and the Turks -- was just as hurtful to Greek national pride.

Interior Minister Alekos Papadopoulos and Public Order Minister Philippos Petsalnikos were replaced by Vasso Papandreou -- no relation to the new Foreign Minister -- and Michalis Chrysohoidis.

The departing Foreign Minister, Mr. Pangalos, told reporters at a farewell news conference that Mr. Ocalan had twice secretly entered Greece after he was expelled from Italy at the end of January. The first visit, when he arrived from Russia, was unannounced and unwelcome, according to Mr. Pangalos.

A retired Greek admiral, Andonis Naxakis, a member of a group of hard-line conservatives who favor Kurdish self-rule in Turkey, said he had invited Mr. Ocalan to Greece and spirited him in on a private plane. Mr. Ocalan's supporters misled Greek airport officials by saying the Kurdish leader was a Russian official, Government officials said.
''The first time, he entered Greece without anyone knowing,'' Mr. Pangalos said. ''I will tell you frankly, as the Prime Minister has said, we did not want Ocalan in Greece.''

Mr. Ocalan was in fact a greater diplomatic danger to Greece than to any of the other European countries that shunned him. While Greeks, and particularly the Socialist Government of Mr. Simitis, embraced the Kurdish cause, any overt sign of real support to Mr. Ocalan would have come close to a declaration of war with Turkey.

Greece has long pleaded with the European Union to take up the Kurdish cause and help Greece out of its quandary. Among Government officials, there was deep bitterness about what they saw as Europe's lack of courage.
Mr. Naxakis had alerted the Government to Mr. Ocalan's presence, and Government officials today said that Greek security forces escorted him to a plane and began searching for a country willing to take him.

After he was denied entry into Rotterdam, the Netherlands, then Minsk, Belarus, his plane refueled on the Greek island of Corfu, and he was sent to the Greek Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya, for 12 days while Greece searched for another destination in Africa. At the time, Greece denied that it was giving Mr. Ocalan refuge.

Mr. Ocalan's capture, according to Mr. Pangalos, was his own fault. The former Prime Minister said that foreign intelligence services picked up his trail by tracking Mr. Ocalan's mobile phone by satellite. ''He started talking to the whole world,'' Mr. Pangalos said.

Mr. Pangalos said Mr. Ocalan refused to move to another, less detectable area of Kenya and instead made his own arrangements with Kenyan authorities to go to the airport. En route, Mr. Ocalan's car vanished from the Kenyan Government convoy, snatched by Turkish security forces.

Many Greeks expressed skepticism about the Government's explanation.

''To me it's as obvious as the sun: Greece made a deal with Turkey,'' said Nicholas Geralis, a 49-year-old Greek cargo ship captain. ''Politics are very dirty and very deep. They are never going to say what really happened.''

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Postby Oracle » Sun Mar 01, 2009 3:28 pm

So insan ..... You choose to ignore how Turkey historically reneged on the Kurd's right to their own territory from the start of the last century, substantiated not just by Kikapu's and my sources, but most poignantly by the link you accidentally posted yourself.

You ignore the wealth of rational evidence, and instead resort to throwing around ridiculous propaganda maps and assertions, that should another country, 90 years later, help one political asylum seaker, they (Greece) are in fact the root cause of the Kurd's dissatisfaction with Turkey, and not Turkey itself, despite its many policies to silence the Kurds. .. including the killings to which the present-day thread, of BBC news, refers to.

My, my! You are one delusional Giga Turkish Nationalist ....
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Postby insan » Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:31 pm

Oracle wrote:So insan ..... You choose to ignore how Turkey historically reneged on the Kurd's right to their own territory from the start of the last century, substantiated not just by Kikapu's and my sources, but most poignantly by the link you accidentally posted yourself.

You ignore the wealth of rational evidence, and instead resort to throwing around ridiculous propaganda maps and assertions, that should another country, 90 years later, help one political asylum seaker, they (Greece) are in fact the root cause of the Kurd's dissatisfaction with Turkey, and not Turkey itself, despite its many policies to silence the Kurds. .. including the killings to which the present-day thread, of BBC news, refers to.

My, my! You are one delusional Giga Turkish Nationalist ....


The link I provided tells about the nation building process of Ataturk and his successors. In this process; the biggest trouble Ataturk and his successors came across is the fundamentalist religios groups' opposition to secularism principle of the RoT.

The second obstacle in front of the nation building process of Turkey has been her old enemies that defeated by Turkish people under the leadership of Ataturk. Some ideological interest groups of the defeated nations kept undermining RoT during it's nation building process, democratization process and economical development.

I acknowledge that during the nation building process of Turkey, there have been some mistakes and misbehaviors by some government officials but trying to abuse these events for your propaganda needs(It is too obvious) and self-satisfaction only reveals how pathetic u r.

U use every opportunity to verbally attack to Turks and belittle them. In this thread, I showed u that almost same mistakes and misbehaviors have been done by Greeks towards Turkish minority of Greece, Macedonians and Albaninas. In Iran almost same mistakes and misbehaviors have been done by Iranians towards Kurds and Turks.

Ignoring all and trying to portray Turks as the most evil nation of the world only means 1 thing to me and that is how brainwashed, ignorant, pathetic you are.
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Postby DT. » Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:10 pm

insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:So insan ..... You choose to ignore how Turkey historically reneged on the Kurd's right to their own territory from the start of the last century, substantiated not just by Kikapu's and my sources, but most poignantly by the link you accidentally posted yourself.

You ignore the wealth of rational evidence, and instead resort to throwing around ridiculous propaganda maps and assertions, that should another country, 90 years later, help one political asylum seaker, they (Greece) are in fact the root cause of the Kurd's dissatisfaction with Turkey, and not Turkey itself, despite its many policies to silence the Kurds. .. including the killings to which the present-day thread, of BBC news, refers to.

My, my! You are one delusional Giga Turkish Nationalist ....


The link I provided tells about the nation building process of Ataturk and his successors. In this process; the biggest trouble Ataturk and his successors came across is the fundamentalist religios groups' opposition to secularism principle of the RoT.

The second obstacle in front of the nation building process of Turkey has been her old enemies that defeated by Turkish people under the leadership of Ataturk. Some ideological interest groups of the defeated nations kept undermining RoT during it's nation building process, democratization process and economical development.

I acknowledge that during the nation building process of Turkey, there have been some mistakes and misbehaviors by some government officials but trying to abuse these events for your propaganda needs(It is too obvious) and self-satisfaction only reveals how pathetic u r.

U use every opportunity to verbally attack to Turks and belittle them. In this thread, I showed u that almost same mistakes and misbehaviors have been done by Greeks towards Turkish minority of Greece, Macedonians and Albaninas. In Iran almost same mistakes and misbehaviors have been done by Iranians towards Kurds and Turks.

Ignoring all and trying to portray Turks as the most evil nation of the world only means 1 thing to me and that is how brainwashed, ignorant, pathetic you are.


So whats wrong with Cyprus making a few mistakes with its minorities?
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