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[Oracle]

This is typical of the mendacious and vexatious postings that Oracle makes on this forum. The title she give the thread is "Turkey torturing and executing civilians .... again' by way of introducing an article which actually reports the investigations of Turkey into abuses from the 1980s and 1990s. So it is NOT a story about torturing and executing civilians again; it is about abuses which had happened before. Then Oracle, by using the generalisation 'Turkey', can't see that it is in fact Turks who are investigating the abuses of other Turks - quite the opposite of Turks torturing and executing civilians.

But to give an accurate title to a thread based on this BBC article would mean that Oracle would have to recognise the complexity and diversity of Turkey and Turkish politics and abandon her racist and fundamentalist charactarisation of Turkey.

This follows the pattern of virtually every contribution by Oracle to this forum : hate-filled, ignorant, self-serving and bilious distortions.

CopperLine can't attack the message so he attacks the messenger .... Again!

The title was a direct quote form the article ... the "Again" signified that here was Turkey in the news again with such atrocities. But don't worry your little head, you have your own interpretations which must be heard!

So who are these people leading this exposure? ... The article is not too clear ... but you seem to have made your mind up. References are made to the ECHR, Activists, and people facing trials, the families of the missing and Kurds themselves ... but no, you have decided it is just "Turks" that are leading this investigation.

Way to go Copper ... you never change!

[christos1]

One thing is clear! Quit changing the subject of this thread. The thread is about Kurdish mass graves. not about singing coum ba ya (sp?) with your fellow Turk? Go talk about Cypriot diversity elsewhere. If i was a Kurd, i would be highly offended, how dare you!

Repulse, may be a bit of a wandering mind but always a peaceful and well meaning bloke…

Quite right. Our RW's language may be a bit flower powery but if there were a few more Cys like him we would never have gotten in to this mess.

No.

You cant always push things under the rug for the sake of reconciliation.

I am tired of this. In each and every thread?

Why hasnt a Turk apologized and i mean for anything?

If this article was about a Greek Cypriot, you would of had 10 Greek cypriot hippies in this forum apologizing and preaching the evils of nationalism and i am not exaggerating. This thread is about possible Kurdish mass graves. WTF is reconciliation between TC and GC have anything to do WITH THIS THREAD?

[Get Real!]

I think some of us are wasting far too much time bashing the already over-bashed Turkey, when what we should be doing is using that time to tackle the disastrous Turkish Cypriot agenda to repeat 1963.

[insan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWi2Qky-K2E

Turkish Generals torturing Kurds.

[insan]

[paliometoxo]

lol insan you wouldent post such a video of turkish generals beating peopel you love turkey to much for that

[insan]

GREECE: TORTURE, INHUMAN TREATMENT OR PUNISHMENT

(Report Distributed to the OSCE Supplementary Human Dimension Meeting on Human Rights and Inhuman Treatment or Punishment, Vienna 27 March 2000)

23 March 2000



Introduction

Greece is not immune from the worldwide tendency of law enforcement officials frequently abusing the rights of citizens during arrests, interrogations, detention or imprisonment. Such attitude is facilitated by the practice of court authorities to rarely prosecute such criminal behavior.

http://www.greekhelsinki.gr/english/rep ... -2000.html

[insan]

lol insan you wouldent post such a video of turkish generals beating peopel you love turkey to much for that

Sazan

[insan]

Greek Torture and Expulsion
Friday, 18 November 2005
Niki Lazaro, inspired by our press release UMDiaspora Sends Letter to Greek President, writes to us and describes first hand the hardship of the state sponsored discrimination he experienced under Greek torture. Niki even today can not visit his birthplace in a country that is part of the European Union.

From: Niki Lazaro
Date: Nov 16, 2005 10:59 AM

To Whom It May Concern,

My grandparents, my mother, father spoke only Macedonian. This is the language that was spoken for hundred and hundreds years and will continue to speak the language as we did all this years, with all the surprising from the Greek government. In 1964/65 I went to the Greek Embassy in Bucharest to ask if I can visit my grandparent before their death. As I mention the name and the village (Zelevo today is called Andartico) I was told to walk out and never ever come back. The Greeks " used to call us 'ta makedonopula" looked at me and said you will never go back/ Ironical the Greeks took me from the city in Romania called Onesti and took me in Bucharest where I finish high school. I grew up in a dictatorial government under the Ceausescu era, I had the opportunity to see the Berlin war, I was 17 years old when I did a trip to Italy looking for a refugee camp, I did end up in 1974 in refugee camp in Austria but today are all gone the truth and the good will win no matter if will take a year, 10 or hundreds. I hope our name to stay as it was Macedonia that's the only name I/we know. Forced to leave at the age of 9 months from home I do feel Macedonian, talk Macedonia and no Greeks will tell me otherwise.

I thank you very much,

Niki

http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/49/74/

[christos1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWi2Qky-K2E

Turkish Generals torturing Kurds.

typical. There is your reconciliation right there. If those criminals were slapped then what do you think should happen to those in Turkey that left behind thousands of corpses in mass graves?