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Turkey Torturing and Executing Civilians ... Again!

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby shahmaran » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:23 pm

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Postby insan » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:29 pm

Oracle wrote:I found it on that new website I discovered today :D ... Great isn't it? ... Packed full of facts you Turks keep from us normally!


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U should also look for other websites that contains Kurdish news happy with being a Turkish citizen in Turkey. Otherwise Oracle u will be considered as an ordinary, galimatias lover, Turk-hater propagandist. If u have really cared abt human rights; at least u would have talked abt the human rights violations of Greece and so-called Roc. poor lady.

Turkey, the Kurds and Islam

Turkey, the Kurds and Islam
Jan 31st 2008
From The Economist print edition

A SIGN adorned with Ataturk's favourite adage, “Happy is he who calls himself a Turk”, hangs in Diyarbakir, south-east Turkey, as a reminder of Turkey's decades-old policy of forcibly assimilating the region's Kurds. The ruling Justice and Development (AK) party might prefer “Happy is he who calls himself a Muslim”.

“Uniting around our common Islamic identity is the only way to solve the Kurdish problem,” argues one AK leader. “Islam bound us in Ottoman times and during the war of independence, why not today?” Religion has become the mildly Islamist AK's most potent weapon as it seeks to snatch control of Diyarbakir, the unofficial capital of Turkey's estimated 14m Kurds, from the pro-Kurdish Democratic People's Party (DTP) in next year's local election. …

http://www.economist.com/displayStory.c ... 1_TDGDJNNP
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Postby Oracle » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:46 pm

insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:I found it on that new website I discovered today :D ... Great isn't it? ... Packed full of facts you Turks keep from us normally!


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U should also look for other websites that contains Kurdish news happy with being a Turkish citizen in Turkey. Otherwise Oracle u will be considered as an ordinary, galimatias lover, Turk-hater propagandist. If u have really cared abt human rights; at least u would have talked abt the human rights violations of Greece and so-called Roc. poor lady.

Turkey, the Kurds and Islam

Turkey, the Kurds and Islam
Jan 31st 2008
From The Economist print edition

A SIGN adorned with Ataturk's favourite adage, “Happy is he who calls himself a Turk”, hangs in Diyarbakir, south-east Turkey, as a reminder of Turkey's decades-old policy of forcibly assimilating the region's Kurds. The ruling Justice and Development (AK) party might prefer “Happy is he who calls himself a Muslim”.

“Uniting around our common Islamic identity is the only way to solve the Kurdish problem,” argues one AK leader. “Islam bound us in Ottoman times and during the war of independence, why not today?” Religion has become the mildly Islamist AK's most potent weapon as it seeks to snatch control of Diyarbakir, the unofficial capital of Turkey's estimated 14m Kurds, from the pro-Kurdish Democratic People's Party (DTP) in next year's local election. …

http://www.economist.com/displayStory.c ... 1_TDGDJNNP


Of course I take on board any positive views, but they are few and far between and even as an example, yours falls far short of denying the problem Turkey has caused the Kurds ....

When people are shot dead, by Turks, for speaking up for the Kurds, it makes you question any positive comments. Oppression is a poor bed fellow of Freedom of Speech!
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Postby insan » Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:03 pm

Oracle wrote:
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Oracle wrote:I found it on that new website I discovered today :D ... Great isn't it? ... Packed full of facts you Turks keep from us normally!


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U should also look for other websites that contains Kurdish news happy with being a Turkish citizen in Turkey. Otherwise Oracle u will be considered as an ordinary, galimatias lover, Turk-hater propagandist. If u have really cared abt human rights; at least u would have talked abt the human rights violations of Greece and so-called Roc. poor lady.

Turkey, the Kurds and Islam

Turkey, the Kurds and Islam
Jan 31st 2008
From The Economist print edition

A SIGN adorned with Ataturk's favourite adage, “Happy is he who calls himself a Turk”, hangs in Diyarbakir, south-east Turkey, as a reminder of Turkey's decades-old policy of forcibly assimilating the region's Kurds. The ruling Justice and Development (AK) party might prefer “Happy is he who calls himself a Muslim”.

“Uniting around our common Islamic identity is the only way to solve the Kurdish problem,” argues one AK leader. “Islam bound us in Ottoman times and during the war of independence, why not today?” Religion has become the mildly Islamist AK's most potent weapon as it seeks to snatch control of Diyarbakir, the unofficial capital of Turkey's estimated 14m Kurds, from the pro-Kurdish Democratic People's Party (DTP) in next year's local election. …

http://www.economist.com/displayStory.c ... 1_TDGDJNNP


Of course I take on board any positive views, but they are few and far between and even as an example, yours falls far short of denying the problem Turkey has caused the Kurds ....

When people are shot dead, by Turks, for speaking up for the Kurds, it makes you question any positive comments. Oppression is a poor bed fellow of Freedom of Speech!


It is a well known fact that Turkey failed on nation building process of an ethnic group of Turkish people namely Kurds because of various reasons. This nation building process wasn't only towards Turkification of Kurds of Turkey but all people of Turkey that have some 54 different racial ethnic backgrounds. The main reason Turkey failed to Turkify Kurds is religious. The other reason of Turkey's failure is that her enemies(especially Hellenes and Armenians) discovered her most vulnerable weakness and abused the Kurdish problem to divide her and weaken more. Harsh counter-actions towards seperatist groups by Turkish governments worsened the situation more.

Lately, it seems the situaion regarding Kurds of Turkey going better day by day. However as long as enemies of Turkey provoke Kurds to divide and destroy Turkey, I'm sure the problem will persist.
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Postby Oracle » Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:27 pm

insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:I found it on that new website I discovered today :D ... Great isn't it? ... Packed full of facts you Turks keep from us normally!


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U should also look for other websites that contains Kurdish news happy with being a Turkish citizen in Turkey. Otherwise Oracle u will be considered as an ordinary, galimatias lover, Turk-hater propagandist. If u have really cared abt human rights; at least u would have talked abt the human rights violations of Greece and so-called Roc. poor lady.

Turkey, the Kurds and Islam

Turkey, the Kurds and Islam
Jan 31st 2008
From The Economist print edition

A SIGN adorned with Ataturk's favourite adage, “Happy is he who calls himself a Turk”, hangs in Diyarbakir, south-east Turkey, as a reminder of Turkey's decades-old policy of forcibly assimilating the region's Kurds. The ruling Justice and Development (AK) party might prefer “Happy is he who calls himself a Muslim”.

“Uniting around our common Islamic identity is the only way to solve the Kurdish problem,” argues one AK leader. “Islam bound us in Ottoman times and during the war of independence, why not today?” Religion has become the mildly Islamist AK's most potent weapon as it seeks to snatch control of Diyarbakir, the unofficial capital of Turkey's estimated 14m Kurds, from the pro-Kurdish Democratic People's Party (DTP) in next year's local election. …

http://www.economist.com/displayStory.c ... 1_TDGDJNNP


Of course I take on board any positive views, but they are few and far between and even as an example, yours falls far short of denying the problem Turkey has caused the Kurds ....

When people are shot dead, by Turks, for speaking up for the Kurds, it makes you question any positive comments. Oppression is a poor bed fellow of Freedom of Speech!


It is a well known fact that Turkey failed on nation building process of an ethnic group of Turkish people namely Kurds because of various reasons. This nation building process wasn't only towards Turkification of Kurds of Turkey but all people of Turkey that have some 54 different racial ethnic backgrounds. The main reason Turkey failed to Turkify Kurds is religious. The other reason of Turkey's failure is that her enemies(especially Hellenes and Armenians) discovered her most vulnerable weakness and abused the Kurdish problem to divide her and weaken more. Harsh counter-actions towards seperatist groups by Turkish governments worsened the situation more.

Lately, it seems the situaion regarding Kurds of Turkey going better day by day. However as long as enemies of Turkey provoke Kurds to divide and destroy Turkey, I'm sure the problem will persist.


It seems to me if you had your way, you would label every ethnic group as being of Turkish people, and if they wish to call themselves by a different name (e.g. Kurds), that you call this a failure of "Turkish nation building"!

You really are the pits! :roll:

First of all there are no racial groups.

Secondly, there are ethnic groups, that have a HUMAN RIGHT to identify themselves and not have TURKEY impose its wish to label them ALL as TURKS.

Yes Turkey needs to let go of some of the territory it has acquired by unfair means.

It is the only way forward and the only sign that Turkey is finally joining the Human Race!
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Postby insan » Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:28 pm

February 16, 2009
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Awene

The most admired Independent Kurdish Newspaper from the heart of Kurdistan.



Khatuzeen Center

For Kurdish Women’s Issues



Rasti

1. rightness n a: accordance with conscience or morality b: appropriate conduct; doing the right thing c: conformity to fact or truth 2. truth n a: the state of being the case b: the body of real things, events, and facts



Klawrojna

An Independent Online Kurdish-English Newspaper





Kurdish -Turkish conference on Kurdish problem



Kurdsat



Erbil’s Salahadin University on

Sunday for the first time hosted a

broad civilized Kurdish- Turkish

dialogue conference entitled “let’s

search for peace and future

together”



Attended by a crowd of Kurdish an

Turkish intellectuals and senior

officials from KRG, the conference is

shedding light on the problem of

Kurdish nation in Turkey and the

relations between Kurdistan region and Turkey, aiming at building bridges on the cultural and intellectual relations to pave a way for resolving the political problems and solve the Turkey’s Kurdish problem in a peaceful process.

The conference, scheduled to take two days long, is conducted by the KRG in cooperation with the Turkish Abant platform, a nongovernmental Turkish organization run by Fathullah Gulen.



Salahadin university president, Muhammad Sidqi said the conference would have significant impact on developing political, cultural and economical relations between Kurdistan region and Turkey, adding that more than 150 intellectuals from both nations are taking part in the conference.



“Many researches are expected to be done by the participants that would certainly have influence on further improving the relations”



Also Banant Mumtaz, special representative of the platform Org. hoped the conference would play important role in improving the Kurdish-Turkish ties.

“We hope that the conference will play important role in developing the relations between Kurdistan region and Turkey” said Banat, “bolstering our ties will serve all the sides, and we hope that intellectuals of both sides will play that important role” he added.

http://www.kurdishaspect.com/doc021609KS.html
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Postby insan » Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:29 pm

December 13, 2008
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Toward a Continental Union



Kurdishaspect.com - By Kay Azadabeen



Not occupation, aggression, and corruption but independence, innovation, and change have made America the leader of the world. Change is inevitable and is not an invention by President Elect Obama. However, Obama's motto for change at this historical time and Americans' response to it is encouraging other parts of the world to make progress, follow suit, and welcome change.



While Syria refuses change and still does not recognize the existence of the Kurds, Persia has always accepted the Kurds as an Iranian group without changing the discriminatory linguistic and educational policies in Iran. Turkey needs to be congratulated for its courage to become the second Islamic country after Iraq to welcome change and accept the Kurdish identity and opening an official Kurdish TV chaneel. The change would likely lead to further flourishing of the cultural heritage of both nations in Anatolia.



While Syria refuses change and still does not recognize the existence of the Kurds, Persia has always accepted the Kurds as an Iranian group without changing the discriminatory linguistic and educational policies in Iran. Turkey needs to be congratulated for its courage to become the second Islamic country after Iraq to welcome change and accept the Kurdish identity and opening an official Kurdish TV chaneel. The change would likely lead to further flourishing of the cultural heritage of both nations in Anatolia.



Opening a Kurdish TV channel in a country that has insisted on the Turkishness of all its citizen is a major change and a step toward true democracy in Anatolia. It is an acknowledgment that non-Turkish citizen of the country have no longer to be proud of something they are not. It is a sign of overcoming fear, insecurity, and hatred. It indicates an official recognition of the identity of 25% Kurds in Turkey.



Some skeptical Kurds might see this change as another assimilation policy. Some insecure Turks might see it as a step toward splitting the country. Regardless of a potential and transitional assimilation and splitting outcome, the change is a step forward. Neither the skeptical nor the insecure members of both sides might recognize that this change is reflective of the development of both nations and a preparation for a voluntary unity in the long run. The unity might even gradually spread and encourage Southern Kurdistan to join Anatolia and together join European Union.



Since after centuries of colonialism, wars, and violation of other people's rights the members of the EU have evolved to accept equality and peaceful coexistence, it is reasonable for developing nations to join them and move toward a Continental Union or CU in the future. In such a union Kurds might no longer have to ask when will we be free or kay azadabeen?

http://www.kurdishaspect.com/doc011309KA.html
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Postby insan » Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:31 pm

To understand the external and internal factors that contribute to the Kurdish struggle, this study examines the use of the Kurdish card as a tool in foreign policy. Both internal and external factors prevent the Kurds from having their independence, in part because contiguous as well as distant states exploit the Kurds to achieve their own national interests and affecting their own domestic and foreign policies.

http://www.kurdishaspect.com/doc112308AM.html
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Postby Oracle » Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:36 pm

Insan would you stop demonstrating what a tool you are for Giga-Turkish Nationalist Propaganda ....

When the Kurds are allowed to speak for themselves (without fear of being shot) ... then we will hear the truth!
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Postby insan » Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:38 pm

For the sake of our children let’s put our differences aside



Kurdishaspect.com – By Naskah Zada - March 19, 2008



It is the 5th anniversary of invasion of Iraq. Or some may say the democratization of Iraq. Whatever you call this, today marked the 5th year since US troops are present in Iraq. Prior to that and after Iraq has been a key topic of every source of media. It has been the most pronounced word by many people in the world, even those, who knew little about the vast history of the region and its diverse population.



Since the fall of Saddam’s regime many of my Iraqi friends accuse the Kurds for supporting the destruction of Iraq. As a Kurd, I feel, I am being blamed personally by them. One of my acquaintances once said “You Kurds should be happy that Iraq is bleeding now. That’s what you wanted, isn’t it?” How do I answer this? How can anyone be happy to see the unhappiness of others?



I look back and see our house, leveled to the ground by Saddam’s troops. I see the trail of blood, when we had to flee to Iran over and over again. I see myself without food or water for days. I see 5000 dead from a chemical attack against city of Halabja in March of 1988. I see Anfal campaign in 1986, which lasted until 1989 and cost more than 200,000 deaths. Who was happy then? Am I happy now to see the ongoing bloodshed?



Iraq is a home of many ethnic and religious groups: Arabs and Kurds, Suni and Shia, Christians and Jews. The list may be continued, but my point here is no one will ever be happy while there is violence there. Someone said: “A bad peace is always better than a good war”. We need to realize this and make a first step on a long journey towards stability in the region. Today, we need to put behind our hatred and our blames for the sake of our children. We need to overcome the madness and stop the brutality and self-destruction. If we can only try and take another chance, we can turn this fragile region into a blossoming garden, like it used to be at the very dawn of its legendary history.
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