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[paliometoxo]

his point was that you are saying about greek troops when there are way more turkish troops here then greek and your saying how its illigal for them to be here when turkey has morw then twice the amount they are allowed in 1960 agreement,... infact un tells turkey to remove the troops and they just ignore it

[RichardB]

So if we are talking legalities insan

should the number of Greek troops stationed on the Island revert to 950 and the number of Turkish troops revert to 650?

[insan]

So if we are talking legalities insan

should the number of Greek troops stationed on the Island revert to 950 and the number of Turkish troops revert to 650?

Yes and in the meantime GC National guard and TC National guard must be abolished.

[paliometoxo]

while turkey keeps troops? cyprus cant have not one troop and leave cyprus defensless

[Get Real!]

The legal number is 950. They have at least 2000 stationed in South Cyprus. Illegal is illegal; no matter if it is 951, 2000 or 100.000. 15.000 National Guard is completely illegal.

The London/Zurich agreements were a SET of agreements and not a bunch of loosely joint ideas that you could pick and choose which ones to adhere to.

The TC community, renounced the entire 1960 constitution and withdraw to enclaves only to later even proclaim a new illegal political entity further reinforcing their renouncement, so seeing Turkish Cypriots today talk about whether or not the numbers of troops on Cyprus are in line with London/Zurich agreements is laughable!

Even dumber is your assertion that the National Guard is “completely illegal”!

[Get Real!]

Yes and in the meantime GC National guard and TC National guard must be abolished.

And why is that?

[insan]

The legal number is 950. They have at least 2000 stationed in South Cyprus. Illegal is illegal; no matter if it is 951, 2000 or 100.000. 15.000 National Guard is completely illegal.

The London/Zurich agreements were a SET of agreements and not a bunch of loosely joint ideas that you could pick and choose which ones to adhere to.

The TC community, renounced the entire 1960 constitution and withdraw to enclaves only to later even proclaim a new illegal political entity further reinforcing their renouncement, so seeing Turkish Cypriots today talk about whether or not the numbers of troops on Cyprus are in line with London/Zurich agreements is laughable!

Even dumber is your assertion that the National Guard is “completely illegal”!

Any credible links when TCs and Turkey officially renounced the entire 1960 constitution and the 60s treaties? U like making nonsense all in favour of ur national cause.

[Get Real!]

The legal number is 950. They have at least 2000 stationed in South Cyprus. Illegal is illegal; no matter if it is 951, 2000 or 100.000. 15.000 National Guard is completely illegal.

The London/Zurich agreements were a SET of agreements and not a bunch of loosely joint ideas that you could pick and choose which ones to adhere to.

The TC community, renounced the entire 1960 constitution and withdraw to enclaves only to later even proclaim a new illegal political entity further reinforcing their renouncement, so seeing Turkish Cypriots today talk about whether or not the numbers of troops on Cyprus are in line with London/Zurich agreements is laughable!

Even dumber is your assertion that the National Guard is “completely illegal”!

Any credible links when TCs and Turkey officially renounced the entire 1960 constitution and the 60s treaties? U like making nonsense all in favour of ur national cause.

Links? I'll do one better with pictures...

[insan]

The legal number is 950. They have at least 2000 stationed in South Cyprus. Illegal is illegal; no matter if it is 951, 2000 or 100.000. 15.000 National Guard is completely illegal.

The London/Zurich agreements were a SET of agreements and not a bunch of loosely joint ideas that you could pick and choose which ones to adhere to.

The TC community, renounced the entire 1960 constitution and withdraw to enclaves only to later even proclaim a new illegal political entity further reinforcing their renouncement, so seeing Turkish Cypriots today talk about whether or not the numbers of troops on Cyprus are in line with London/Zurich agreements is laughable!

Even dumber is your assertion that the National Guard is “completely illegal”!

Any credible links when TCs and Turkey officially renounced the entire 1960 constitution and the 60s treaties? U like making nonsense all in favour of ur national cause.

Links? I'll do one better with pictures...

What u were expecting from us? Accepting to be a mere muslim minority in Cyprus and join Enosis struggle of Hellenes? U r so naive GR! U don't even have 1/3 of the intelligence Makarios had. Though u r not a double-faced priest like him.

Prideful Heads. When the constitution was drawn up, Makarios hailed it as a victory. "We have won!" he cried to the delirious crowd massed outside his palace. "Cyprus is free. Celebrate, my brethren, and raise your heads high with pride." He promised that Cyprus would now become a strong link between Greece and Turkey and a factor of stability in the Middle East. It might well have if Makarios had not decided that the constitution was unworkable because it conflicted "with internationally accepted democratic principles and creates sources of friction between Greek and Turkish Cypriots." Most observers agree that the constitution is an unwieldy and difficult document. In an effort to safeguard the interests of the Turkish community, who make up 20% of the population, the constitution requires that 40% of the army, 30% of the civil service, and 30% of the police be drawn from Turkish Cypriots. Both the President and the Vice President have the right of veto over certain laws created by the House of Representatives and certain decisions of the Council of Ministers. The result is a series of deadlocks. For example, no Cypriot army has emerged because Makarios wants the units to be completely integrated while Turkish Cypriot Vice President Dr. Fazil Kuchuk holds out for separate Greek and Turkish Cypriot detachments.

Kuchuk complains that Makarios "never intended or even tried to implement the constitution. I told him it was like rejecting a new car before even trying it out. I urged him every day to press the starter and try it.

He never tried. He killed the constitution as he'd always planned to do. He only signed it to get rid of the British." Makarios smilingly denies Kuchuk's indictment, but does concede that he always had a number of "objections and strong misgivings" about the constitution he signed in 1959. Last November he sent to all interested parties 13 proposals for amending the constitution. Since the amendments would obviously diminish the influence of Turkish Cypriots, the government of Turkey at once rejected them, and both factions on the island took out their guns, oiled and cleaned them, and began the shooting that the U.N. is now trying to stop.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... -2,00.html

[Get Real!]

What u were expecting from us? Accepting to be a mere muslim minority in Cyprus and join Enosis struggle of Hellenes?

One thing I NEVER do is allow my opponent to jump to other areas like a rabbit on heat…

The Turkish Cypriots DENOUNCED and RENOUNCED the 1960 constitution by abandoning ALL their posts never to return, waged a war against it alongside Turkey, and subsequently proclaimed a new constitution illegally. In fact, you couldn’t renounce a constitution any more than what the TCs had done, so denying this fact is silly… just as silly as a TC arguing about the numbers of NG troops being “illegal”!