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[boulio]

Removal of all illegal NG/Eldyk and removal of all illegal "Roc" instutitions, if u want removal of all Turkish troops.

Pan cypriot force under eu/un guidance okay by you?

ROC instutitions?

[YFred]

Removal of all illegal NG/Eldyk and removal of all illegal "Roc" instutitions, if u want removal of all Turkish troops.

Pan cypriot force under eu/un guidance okay by you?

ROC instutitions?

No. No Army of any kind. No need for it.
You can't give a child a loaded gun. Its immoral.

[insan]

Removal of all illegal NG/Eldyk and removal of all illegal "Roc" instutitions, if u want removal of all Turkish troops.

Pan cypriot force under eu/un guidance okay by you?

ROC instutitions?

A NATO force would suit better in age of globalization, imo. Neither US nor majority of EU/NATO member countries wish to exclude Turkey's military presence on Cyprus, thus in western alliance. Even if one day a surprise occures; such as a ww and Turkey is pushed aside by those EU/NATO member contries; Turkey would still struggle to keep her forces on Cyprus.

All those "RoC" institutions that were established unilaterally without the consent of TC community, i meant.

[YFred]

besides being schizophenic(everyone is going to kill the poor t/c)your historical geography seems pathetic as well.

Scotland has been historically inhabited by scots,northern cyprus has in the last 35 years been by the t/c(at gunpoint of course)

Everyone has to start from somewhere.
You forget we governed the whole of Cyprus for hundreds of years!
And we bloody well did a better job that you did in the last 49 years.

[boulio]

A NATO force would suit better in age of globalization, imo. Neither US nor majority of EU/NATO member countries wish to exclude Turkey's military presence on Cyprus, thus in western alliance. Even if one day a surprise occures; such as a ww and Turkey is pushed aside by those EU/NATO member contries; Turkey would still struggle to keep her forces on Cyprus.

All those "RoC" instutions that were established unilaterally without the consent of TC community, i meant

I think if the people of cyprus want nato and nato(neutrilizing the turkish veto)accepts cyprus i see why not.the only thing i think would be benificial would be the following:

1)commander of nato cyprus be neither greek,turkish or english
2)ENGLAND gives up one base to the new ROC and the other base to be held by the nato cyprus forces.

Can you give me a few examples of instutions?

[insan]

A NATO force would suit better in age of globalization, imo. Neither US nor majority of EU/NATO member countries wish to exclude Turkey's military presence on Cyprus, thus in western alliance. Even if one day a surprise occures; such as a ww and Turkey is pushed aside by those EU/NATO member contries; Turkey would still struggle to keep her forces on Cyprus.

All those "RoC" instutions that were established unilaterally without the consent of TC community, i meant

I think if the people of cyprus want nato and nato(neutrilizing the turkish veto)accepts cyprus i see why not.the only thing i think would be benificial would be the following:

1)commander of nato cyprus be neither greek,turkish or english
2)ENGLAND gives up one base to the new ROC and the other base to be held by the nato cyprus forces.

Can you give me a few examples of instutions?

I agree with u regarding the commander of NATO force of Cyprus. After 1964, RoC became "RoC" by amending some basic articles of constitution and laws. Those unilateral amendments on constitution and laws of RoC made all relevant RoC institutions illegal.

[boulio]

well if there ever is a full turkish withdrawl(except in the nato structure)im sure a new constitution will be drawn up and those amendments can be adressed.

[insan]

well if there ever is a full turkish withdrawl(except in the nato structure)im sure a new constitution will be drawn up and those amendments can be adressed.

These r our personal opinions. As u know in South, there's a leftist government in power which is against NATO and in North vast majority of TCs wish guarantorship of Turkey.

Do u think vast majority of GC commnity would ever genuinely accept TC commnity as a politically equal state partner; in a consociational democratic structure? I really would wish so...

[RAFAELLA]

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Who will protect the TCs against the vegence seeking hostile GCs?

You don't have to remind us over and over again how sick you are.

just like gcs would have to trust tcs after all they did so many years of invasion and killings.. what turkey has done to cyprus. ruined it

63% is in your hands yet you still want more plus ı am not asking you to trust GCs, you to can have a guarantor of your choosing.

We do not want more. We want what is rightfully ours, we want a free country. As a recognised, democratic EU country we do not need guarantors.

Insan

Removal of all illegal NG/Eldyk and removal of all illegal "Roc" instutitions, if u want removal of all Turkish troops.

Eldyk, is not illegal and it has the amount of soldiers agreed (constitution).
TR occupation troops must leave as they violate every interanational law.
Many times has been said that Tr illegaly stations troops and occupies a territory of CyR.

YFred

You forget we governed the whole of Cyprus for hundreds of years!
And we bloody well did a better job that you did in the last 49 years.

The question is HOW you governed the island for hundreds of years YFred.
The truth is that you did well a bloody job!

...
In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians Greeks were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot.
...
The Ottoman Empire gave timars--land grants--to soldiers under the condition that they and their families would stay there permanently. An action of far-reaching importance because the predefined soldiers became the nucleus of the island's Turkish community.
...
The inhabitants of Cyprus, disappointed at the mismanagement of home affairs by the Ottoman governors, soon turned to Europe in search for help for liberation. Very characteristic is the appeal by Archbishop Timotheos to the King of Spain Philip II for liberation of the island, in which, among other things, the following is stated:

"There have recently been repeated cases of abuse on the part of the organs of the conqueror; in a greedy manner they attempt to confiscate and seize the property of the inhabitants; Christian houses are broken into and domiciles violated, and all sorts of dishonest acts against wives and daughters are committed. Twice until now churches and monasteries have been plundered, multiple and heavy taxes have been imposed whose collection is pursued by systematic persecutions, threats and tortures, which lead many persons to the ranks of Islam, while at the same time the male children of Cypriot families are seized (in order to form the brigades of "Jannissaries"). This most hard practice is the worst of the sufferings to which the people of Cyprus is subjected by the Ottoman administration".

Between 1572 and 1668 AD about 28 bloody uprisings took place on the island and in many of these both Greeks and Turks (poor Turks were also exploited by the ruling class) took part. But all of them ended in failure.

About 1660 AD, in order to eliminate the greed of the Ottoman administration and stop the oppression and injustice against the people (who they called "rayahs", sheep for milking), the Sultan recognised the Archbishop and the Bishops as "the protectors of people" and the representatives of the Sultan. In 1670 AD, Cyprus ceased to be a pashalik for the Ottoman Empire and came under the jurisdiction of the Admiral of the Ottoman fleet. In his turn, the Admiral sent an officer to govern in his place.

In 1703 AD Cyprus comes under the jurisdiction of the Grand Vizier who sent to the island a military and civil administrator. The title and function of this officer were awarded to the person who paid the highest amount of money in exchange. As a result, heavier taxation was imposed and the Cypriots became the subject of harder exploitation. About 1760 AD a terrible epidemic of plague, bad crops and earthquakes, drove many Cypriots to emigrate. In addition what was worse for the Greeks and Turks of the island, the newly- appointed Pasha, doubled the taxes in 1764 AD. In the end Chil Osman and 18 of his friends were killed by Greek and Ottoman Cypriots alike but the two ethnic elements had to pay a huge sum of money to the Sultan and the families of the victims. It was assessed that each Christian had to pay 14 piastres and each Turk 7. The latter did not accept this judgement and broke into an open rebellion having Khalil Agha, the commander of the guard of the castle of Kyrenia as their leader. Finally the uprising was crushed and Khalil Agha was beheaded.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus_und ... man_Empire

Soon Turkey would be known as the 'sick man of Europe'. It is the 'sick' phase of the Ottoman period that created the popular caricature of 'orientals' in Europe. They were seen as debauched, untrustworthy, lazy and ignorant. The harem was fixed in European minds as symbolic of the Orient.

The very word Turk became synonymous with treachery and cruelty. This led Turks like Kemal Ataturk, who was born late in the nineteenth century, to be repelled by the Ottoman Turkish political system and the culture it had evolved. Seeing little but decay and corruption, he led the Turks to reject the past and create a new modern identity.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions ... re_7.shtml

[YFred]

Viewpoint

Who will protect the TCs against the vegence seeking hostile GCs?

You don't have to remind us over and over again how sick you are.

just like gcs would have to trust tcs after all they did so many years of invasion and killings.. what turkey has done to cyprus. ruined it

63% is in your hands yet you still want more plus ı am not asking you to trust GCs, you to can have a guarantor of your choosing.

We do not want more. We want what is rightfully ours, we want a free country. As a recognised, democratic EU country we do not need guarantors.

Insan

Removal of all illegal NG/Eldyk and removal of all illegal "Roc" instutitions, if u want removal of all Turkish troops.

Eldyk, is not illegal and it has the amount of soldiers agreed (constitution).
TR occupation troops must leave as they violate every interanational law.
Many times has been said that Tr illegaly stations troops and occupies a territory of CyR.

YFred

You forget we governed the whole of Cyprus for hundreds of years!
And we bloody well did a better job that you did in the last 49 years.

The question is HOW you governed the island for hundreds of years YFred.
The truth is that you did well a bloody job!

...
In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians Greeks were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot.
...
The Ottoman Empire gave timars--land grants--to soldiers under the condition that they and their families would stay there permanently. An action of far-reaching importance because the predefined soldiers became the nucleus of the island's Turkish community.
...
The inhabitants of Cyprus, disappointed at the mismanagement of home affairs by the Ottoman governors, soon turned to Europe in search for help for liberation. Very characteristic is the appeal by Archbishop Timotheos to the King of Spain Philip II for liberation of the island, in which, among other things, the following is stated:

"There have recently been repeated cases of abuse on the part of the organs of the conqueror; in a greedy manner they attempt to confiscate and seize the property of the inhabitants; Christian houses are broken into and domiciles violated, and all sorts of dishonest acts against wives and daughters are committed. Twice until now churches and monasteries have been plundered, multiple and heavy taxes have been imposed whose collection is pursued by systematic persecutions, threats and tortures, which lead many persons to the ranks of Islam, while at the same time the male children of Cypriot families are seized (in order to form the brigades of "Jannissaries"). This most hard practice is the worst of the sufferings to which the people of Cyprus is subjected by the Ottoman administration".

Between 1572 and 1668 AD about 28 bloody uprisings took place on the island and in many of these both Greeks and Turks (poor Turks were also exploited by the ruling class) took part. But all of them ended in failure.

About 1660 AD, in order to eliminate the greed of the Ottoman administration and stop the oppression and injustice against the people (who they called "rayahs", sheep for milking), the Sultan recognised the Archbishop and the Bishops as "the protectors of people" and the representatives of the Sultan. In 1670 AD, Cyprus ceased to be a pashalik for the Ottoman Empire and came under the jurisdiction of the Admiral of the Ottoman fleet. In his turn, the Admiral sent an officer to govern in his place.

In 1703 AD Cyprus comes under the jurisdiction of the Grand Vizier who sent to the island a military and civil administrator. The title and function of this officer were awarded to the person who paid the highest amount of money in exchange. As a result, heavier taxation was imposed and the Cypriots became the subject of harder exploitation. About 1760 AD a terrible epidemic of plague, bad crops and earthquakes, drove many Cypriots to emigrate. In addition what was worse for the Greeks and Turks of the island, the newly- appointed Pasha, doubled the taxes in 1764 AD. In the end Chil Osman and 18 of his friends were killed by Greek and Ottoman Cypriots alike but the two ethnic elements had to pay a huge sum of money to the Sultan and the families of the victims. It was assessed that each Christian had to pay 14 piastres and each Turk 7. The latter did not accept this judgement and broke into an open rebellion having Khalil Agha, the commander of the guard of the castle of Kyrenia as their leader. Finally the uprising was crushed and Khalil Agha was beheaded.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus_und ... man_Empire

Soon Turkey would be known as the 'sick man of Europe'. It is the 'sick' phase of the Ottoman period that created the popular caricature of 'orientals' in Europe. They were seen as debauched, untrustworthy, lazy and ignorant. The harem was fixed in European minds as symbolic of the Orient.

The very word Turk became synonymous with treachery and cruelty. This led Turks like Kemal Ataturk, who was born late in the nineteenth century, to be repelled by the Ottoman Turkish political system and the culture it had evolved. Seeing little but decay and corruption, he led the Turks to reject the past and create a new modern identity.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions ... re_7.shtml

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