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[insan]

How you doing insan gardas, nice to have your input back.

I'm doing well gardas. I'm in Cyprus. When will you come to Cyprus? Please inform me so we can arrange a meeting.

[MicAtCyp]

I am just reporting what I and other people saw.

No you are not doing just that. You are also extremely fast in jumping into false conclusions with such certainlty over them, that leaves me speechless. No wonder you Americans mess everything up everywhere you get involved.Because you form conclussions without even asking!
Here’s what you concluded:

And why would a Turkish Army officer allow his troops to trade gardening labor for food? Because the Army does not have enough money to feed them.

Man the Turkish army was always involved in civil affairs never you heard? It has a habit/tradition of doing so. Whole districts are controlled by army officers, whole prostitution areas.It is not because they don't have money for food.For your information when the settlers need food they go inside the camps and take as much as they want.The most logical explanation to the incident you saw is that some lieutenant was behind the casino offering "services" or "protection". The soldiers were ordered to work there, otherwise the lieutenant would most propably screw them up at exhaustive night watch. If you really want to know how an army officer can do that, I have an old article to post that will explain it better for you.Don't judge everything by US standards!

[JustAnAmerican]

Okay this is not my first rodeo. I have trained and observed other military armies mostly concerning radio techniques, man-pack satellite devices and IT equipment. So my standards are not only being in the US Marine Corps or only being in the US Army.
The Turkish Army looked a whole lot better than most. It just is in no condition to roll south tomorrow.

There is nothing wrong with the Turkish Army trading gardening for food, or gardening for “protection” as you put it. A little corruption is not an issue.

Does anyone remember the original post?? The new weapons systems just brought in to Cyprus suck and they will be ineffective if they are ever used on any one else.

The Greek Army National Guard is now training with GLID laser range finders and night vision goggles. The GLID device enables the soldier to “Paint” the target and the artillery round is calculated to the distant end. The muzzle velocity of lets say a current 105 or 155mm round will shatter and dismember anyone riding in an M-113 tank. The armor back then was just too thin.

[brother]

I'm doing well gardas. I'm in Cyprus. When will you come to Cyprus? Please inform me so we can arrange a meeting.

Will do, have you still got the same phone numbers or new ones. PM me insan gardas.

[Main_Source]

This is why I dont trust JustAnAmerican

We did not attack Iraq other than to remove Saddam from power. He is gone now, we will be gone soon.

So how many more Iraqis would Saddam kill over the next 10 years? How many more Kurds would be gassed?

Or do you not count them as Iraqis?

[cannedmoose]

The UK spends 20% of GDP on defense??

That is not so.

The annual defense budget in the UK is around £30billion. GDP of the UK is around £1000billion. Do the maths and tell me if the UK spends 20% of GDP on defense! It is the UK that spends around 3% of GDP on defense. Turkey I belive spends a whole lot more in GDP terms than the UK.

As for the US, I don't really know.

Don't know where the 20% comes from either... North Korea maybe?

The UK spends 2.4% of GDP on defence, which is a pretty reliable figure, I don't see many hidden costs that would bump that number up.

The US officially spends 3.3% of GDP on defence, but a large number of costs are not factored into this official budget, such as new weapons development, covert systems budgets etc. Probably the figure for the US is closer to 4 or 5% of GDP. Whatever, the US accounts for half of the global spend on defence...

As for Turkey, the figure is about 5.3% of GDP. However, this does not include the income that the military generates from its many enterprises across Turkey. I'm not sure whether this income is reinvested or goes into a few pockets, but the amount of income available to the Turkish military is probably a few percentage points higher than this.

[detailer]

It is not the same Army.

Turkey’s 30,000 troops in Cyprus. We’ll modern or not, if they wanted to use them, wouldn’t they have already done this? - the Greek Cypriot needs to be more concerned about family financial stability and fiscal spending than some 18 year-old Turkish conscript.

bullshit, why should we have foreign troops on our land? Why shouldn't Greek Cypriots be worried about the same army who caused 200,000 refugees? Who are you to say what the Greek Cypriot should be worried about?

Source, You really need to go look at these troops. We are not talking about British SAS or Paras. They are minimally funded and poorly trained. Some units have no real wheeled mobility. Their equipment is hit and miss. Now maybe 30,000 troops meant something in 1974, but trust me go take a look. They also have no supply mobility or encrypted communications. I.e. if they moved south, they don’t have enough working trucks to keep them supplied and fed AND if they moved south everyone would know it radio wise in about 10 minutes.
I was forced to give two Turkish soldiers a ride two weeks ago as I passed a Turkish Army checkpoint near Kryenia. After they were in the car, I offered them a MRE (like a little partially hydrated-meal) they had no idea what it was, because they have never been on a field exercise where you eat this kind of food.

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Turkish Army is of course not comparable to Ameriacn troops in technology but their radar technology is not that bad, believe me. Don't forget it is one of the most disiplined and loyal armies in the world. Don't forget their experience against PKK. Don't underestimate them!

[detailer]

The UK spends 20% of GDP on defense??

That is not so.

The annual defense budget in the UK is around £30billion. GDP of the UK is around £1000billion. Do the maths and tell me if the UK spends 20% of GDP on defense! It is the UK that spends around 3% of GDP on defense. Turkey I belive spends a whole lot more in GDP terms than the UK.

As for the US, I don't really know.

Don't know where the 20% comes from either... North Korea maybe?

The UK spends 2.4% of GDP on defence, which is a pretty reliable figure, I don't see many hidden costs that would bump that number up.

The US officially spends 3.3% of GDP on defence, but a large number of costs are not factored into this official budget, such as new weapons development, covert systems budgets etc. Probably the figure for the US is closer to 4 or 5% of GDP. Whatever, the US accounts for half of the global spend on defence...

As for Turkey, the figure is about 5.3% of GDP. However, this does not include the income that the military generates from its many enterprises across Turkey. I'm not sure whether this income is reinvested or goes into a few pockets, but the amount of income available to the Turkish military is probably a few percentage points higher than this.

I don't find these public figures reliable. It is much more than that in Turkey.

[Kifeas]

The Greek Army National Guard is now training with GLID laser range finders and night vision goggles. The GLID device enables the soldier to “Paint” the target and the artillery round is calculated to the distant end. The muzzle velocity of lets say a current 105 or 155mm round will shatter and dismember anyone riding in an M-113 tank. The armor back then was just too thin.

The "Greek Army National Guard" is not a Greek Army, it is the RoC National Guard. I have to correct you on this because you or maybe someone else might imply later that the south is under Greek occupation, likewise the north is under a Turkish one.

[detailer]

The Greek Army National Guard is now training with GLID laser range finders and night vision goggles. The GLID device enables the soldier to “Paint” the target and the artillery round is calculated to the distant end. The muzzle velocity of lets say a current 105 or 155mm round will shatter and dismember anyone riding in an M-113 tank. The armor back then was just too thin.

The "Greek Army National Guard" is not a Greek Army, it is the RoC National Guard. I have to correct you on this because you or maybe someone else might imply later that the south is under Greek occupation, likewise the north is under a Turkish one.

and saying "cypriot" is verry funny as well