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[YFred]

Please stop describing his death in that way ....

Sorry O.

You have nothing to be sorry about Kafenes. It was just a graphic description of what actually happened; but I couldn't help feeling for his mother. On the one hand to be proud of him for standing up against this oppression and then a fleeting moment later to lose him forever ...

I don't really want to dwell on this, but I know we can' be cowardly about what he did and choose to forget to make life easier for us.

Kenan Akin and that Attila actor should both swing ... and the way I feel right now ... I could tie the knots myself!

May I be of assistance?

I see being blood thirsty is in the average Cypriot's levis.
Has no body told you that in conflict situations and eye for an eye leaves everybody blind.
Sorry, I for got you can't see it.

If a crime has been commited, it should not go unpunished. Surely you will agree to that.

Sorry Deniz, you got between me and O. All crimes must be punished. The problem arises because if you go back 10 years to punish this man, why not back to 63. All conflicts get resolved because people are willing to forgive and move on. They draw a line under the past and move on. Some of these people are very powerful, particularly on the GC side. If you insist on backdated justice, then you will not have peace.

We have IRA terrorist pardoned and called upon to go to places like Srilanka and Palestine and Cyprus to help people with conflict resolution. By your reasoning they have murdered and should be rotting in a jail.
We have to move on. In effect seeking revenge may jeopardise the peace process. You are underestimating the power these people have in the media and how they can affect the vote.

Have a look at who has the power in the media on the GC side and you will understand why they voted the way they did.

I understand what you say, but 'revenge' has never been on my mind. Only justice.

I hear what you are saying too. But in the interset of peace sometimes we do things for the common good. The benefit of peace is far greater than risk another failure in the next vote.
People just do not realise how much financial and political power these people have.
What is even worse is that those who do not want peace are stoking the fires so people can vote against the plan.

[Get Real!]

What is even worse is that those who do not want peace are stoking the fires so people can vote against the plan.

An imbalanced political arrangement is not peace but the recipe to disaster. We’ve already been down that alley so there’s no need to repeat it.

[YFred]

What is even worse is that those who do not want peace are stoking the fires so people can vote against the plan.

An imbalanced political arrangement is not peace but the recipe to disaster. We’ve already been down that alley so there’s no need to repeat it.

It is not going down that route at all. They are addressing all the issues that caused the 63, the new set up will be better because the GC government will not be able to use its dominance to dominate the TC government.

There is only one way to do this. I posted this idea some time ago. The upper house has to be voted by the constituent governments. This way TCs will have all the guaranties they require. This can also mean that maximum number of GCs will be able to return. The TC land jurisdiction can be maximised legally to guaranty TC viability.
And then you will have peace.

[Get Real!]

What is even worse is that those who do not want peace are stoking the fires so people can vote against the plan.

An imbalanced political arrangement is not peace but the recipe to disaster. We’ve already been down that alley so there’s no need to repeat it.

It is not going down that route at all. They are addressing all the issues that caused the 63, the new set up will be better because the GC government will not be able to use its dominance to dominate the TC government.

There is only one way to do this. I posted this idea some time ago. The upper house has to be voted by the constituent governments. This way TCs will have all the guaranties they require. This can also mean that maximum number of GCs will be able to return. The TC land jurisdiction can be maximised legally to guaranty TC viability.
And then you will have peace.

You ARE going down that route only this time you THINK you can LOCK the Greek Cypriots into getting your way but it’s not going to work because Greek Cypriot dominance is now 100 times more powerful than in the 50s and 60s.

So even if they were to accept your upper house, lower house, middle house, and any other house you want… what bloody difference does it make when someone like Shiakolas can wave his wallet from a mile away and buy anyone he wants? Your politicians will fall to pieces at GC financial muscle… there’s just too much of a gap between the communities for them not to have complete dominance.

[YFred]

Thank you for that post.
It just proves my point and the fact that Talat is on the right track.

[paliometoxo]

talat is on the partition track fred, you support partition now?

[YFred]

talat is on the partition track fred, you support partition now?

No Palio, He is not on track for Partition. He wants a workable arrangement suitable to both sides.

The trouble is that GCs want to dominate the TCs. This would be unacceptable to all TCs. It will almost certainly lead to partition.

[paliometoxo]

that must be why they are getting rid of talat, turkey wants partition..

[YFred]

that must be why they are getting rid of talat, turkey wants partition..

Palio, please do not say things like that. Turkey wants peace and so does Talat. Even if Eroglu comes in and he has no chance, we will still have peace. Its just that it may not happen all in one. It may take several goes before we get there.

[paliometoxo]

so why are they having elections early to get rid of talat? some tcs say hes been to kind towards gcs.. imagine what turkey thinks of him.

turkey have openly anounced they want partition though turkeys idea of peace is partition two states... and they only have intrest now their eu is on the line if cyprus was not in eu and turkey was joined europe by now you really think they would nbe intrested in talks with cyprus?..