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[purdey]

' The world wept after WW2 ' Where, when, how ? The world stood by and watched Jews try and return to their homes and did nothing, there were very few tears but alot of back turning, theft, and general abuse.
I am sorry Richard the world has done little for the Jew, we have had to get by ourselves, start again from scratch and face discrimination at every turn.
I am not in favour of killing of innocents but I am in favour of standing your ground and standing toe to toe with any aggressor.

[RichardB]

Yes the world wept so much that in 1948 1/2of the Palestinian mandate was given to Israel but that wasn't enough was it?

On declaring their statehood The Israelis promptly set about occupying over 70% of the Palestinian territory forcing even more Palestinians from their homes.

I could go on further but suffice to say these Palestinians have still not been able to return to their homes and land- And these people do not have the finances or a powerful lobby in the world as Israel does. So Purdey bleat or you like about the wrongs done against Israel and no doubt the world will listen to you because after all Israel has the friends in high places the Palestinians do not have. All it has is the truth

[miltiades]

copperline wrote

I'm still no clearer as to what the purpose of this picture comparison was ? Of course I can use my imagination but that is to speculate on Richard B's purpose : I'm more interested in what his real original purpose for making these comparisons was.

Copperline . In a lot of respects your point re; using your imagination is a good starter point for a debate and I would have expected this.

I am a supporter of the Palestinian right to a free homeland with Jerusulum as its capital and I absolutely disagree with the tactics used by the Israelis against the general Palestinian population,

All we hear in the western press is 'Hamas this and Hamas that'
and the great palestinian terrorist threat to Israel what we dont read or hear about is the terror inflicted on the Palestinian population by the Israeli terrorists

The pictures represent a parallel with the holocaust of the early 40s commited against the Jews (and it should be remembered that this was not just commited by the Nazis- most countries in Europe had their share of persons only too eager to jump on the anti Jewish bandwagon) and the holocaust being practised by the Israelis today NOW probably this minute,

The difference is when the true plight of the Jews was discovered after the end of WW2 the world wept and rightly so.

How can a nation which had such cruel crimes commited against themselves not so long ago now do the same against a homeless nation.

Israel and their supporters should hang their heads in shame.

To conclude I posted the pictures because I cannot write so eloquently as most of the members of this forum so I suppose that the publishing of these pictures was my way of saying 'Hey look at this ,this is wrong'.

Richard , I do not wish to be rude but I'm afraid your comparison is similar to a bicycle which carries one or two people and a Jumbo Jet!
How on earth do you arrive at the juncture where you draw parallels with what the Palestinians are going through which is deplorable - the major culprit is their leadership going back to money grabbing , thoroughly corrupt Arafat to the present day perpetrators , Hamas and Hezbollah , remembering of course that these two useless terrorist organizations are responsible for Israels recent incursion into Gaza .
The Israelis that you are comparing to the German Nazis are fighting for their very existence , they have every right to do all that they can to stop rockets landing on its cities.
Did the Germans suffer attacks by Jews , were the Germans hated by the Jews in a comparable way that Hamas hates the Jews ?
There is no comparison what so ever .6 million Jews were systematically murdered by the Nazis , men women and children in a premeditated well organized campaign to eradicate the Jews from the face of the world. Is Israel out to annihilate the Palestinians now OR IS ISRAEL TRYING TO SURVIVE IN A VERY HOSTILE REGION .
Israel , the only democracy in the M.E , DEMOCRACY THAT ALLOWS ITS CITICENS THE FREEDOM OF CHOICE AND SPEECH WHICH NONE OF THEIR ENEMIES EMPLOY.

No one can possibly rejoice at the killing of innocents , an act that is deplorable and a crime against humanity.
Just look at at how redicolus your comments are , you say "How can a nation which had such cruel crimes commited against themselves not so long ago now do the same against a homeless nation. ""
NOW DO THE SAME ?? Load unarmed Palestinians on to thrucks and take them to their final destination , the gas chambers >?? Are you serious mate there is a comparison here , I suggest that you rethink your sentiments based on realities and facts not blind hatred for the Jews.
ps. Would you like to know how many rockets were launched at Israel by Hamas and Hezbolah since the end of this recent conflict ? Well I will tell you and see if your decrepit comparison has any meaning.

[CopperLine]

copperline wrote

I'm still no clearer as to what the purpose of this picture comparison was ? Of course I can use my imagination but that is to speculate on Richard B's purpose : I'm more interested in what his real original purpose for making these comparisons was.

Copperline . In a lot of respects your point re; using your imagination is a good starter point for a debate and I would have expected this.

I am a supporter of the Palestinian right to a free homeland with Jerusulum as its capital and I absolutely disagree with the tactics used by the Israelis against the general Palestinian population,

All we hear in the western press is 'Hamas this and Hamas that'
and the great palestinian terrorist threat to Israel what we dont read or hear about is the terror inflicted on the Palestinian population by the Israeli terrorists

The pictures represent a parallel with the holocaust of the early 40s commited against the Jews (and it should be remembered that this was not just commited by the Nazis- most countries in Europe had their share of persons only too eager to jump on the anti Jewish bandwagon) and the holocaust being practised by the Israelis today NOW probably this minute,

The difference is when the true plight of the Jews was discovered after the end of WW2 the world wept and rightly so.

How can a nation which had such cruel crimes commited against themselves not so long ago now do the same against a homeless nation.

Israel and their supporters should hang their heads in shame.

To conclude I posted the pictures because I cannot write so eloquently as most of the members of this forum so I suppose that the publishing of these pictures was my way of saying 'Hey look at this ,this is wrong'.

Fair enough, RichardB. I see now. (For what it is worth I agree with your conclusions - Israel and supporters should hang their heads in shame, etc - though I don't think that the parallels between how the holocaust was conducted and how the Israeli occupation and expulsion of Palestine has been done are so similar.

[RichardB]

FAOmiltiades

The following list of massacres is by no means exclusive, but they reflect the nature of the Israeli occupation of Palestine and Lebanon and show that massacres and expulsions were not aberrations that happen in any war, but organized atrocities with only one aim, that is to have a Zionist state which is 'goyim rein'.
The King David Massacre
The Massacre at Baldat al-Shaikh
YEHIDA MASSACRE
KHISAS MASSACRE
QAZAZA MASSACRE
The Semiramis Hotel Massacre
The Massacre at Dair Yasin
NASER AL-DIN MASSACRE
THE TANTURA MASSACRE
BEIT DARAS MASSACRE
THE DAHMASH MOSQUE MASSACRE
DAWAYMA MASSACRE
HOULA MASSACRE
SHARAFAT MASSACRE
Salha Massacre
The Massacre at Qibya
KAFR QASEM MASSACRE
Khan Yunis Massacre
The Massacre in Gaza City
AL-SAMMOU' MASSACRE
Aitharoun Massacre
Kawnin Massacre
Hanin Massacre
Bint Jbeil Massacre
Abbasieh Massacre
Adloun Massacre
Saida Massacre
Fakhani Massacre
Beirut Massacre Sabra And Shatila Massacre
Jibsheet Massacre
Sohmor Massacre
Seer Al Garbiah
Maaraka Massacres
Zrariah Massacre
Homeen Al-Tahta Massacre
Jibaa Massacre
Yohmor Massacre
Tiri massacre
Al-Naher Al-Bared Massacre
Ain Al-Hillwee Massacre
OYON QARA MASSACRE
Siddiqine Massacre
AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE JABALIA MASSACRE
Aramta Massacre
ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE
Deir Al-Zahrani Massacre
Nabatiyeh (school bus) Massacre
Mnsuriah Massacre
The Sohmor Second Massacre
Nabatyaih Massacre
Qana Massacre
Trqumia Massacr
Janta Massacre
24 Of June 1999 Massacres

Of course there is no Israeli holocaust at least not in your pro-american world is there? This list is just the start of hundreds of documented Israeli massacres.Why dont you throw away your blinkers and research things before you post instead of going in feet first

What is the next stage of your continuation on this thread oh I know I'll probably be called a plonker or suchlike

[purdey]

I will bleat Richard, I will always bleat. When my family and Jews around the world get back what was stolen from them I will stop.
My family caused no one any harm in fact my great grandfather was a healer of all faiths. So please let me have my say and I will listen to all those others who cry foul from what and who they have lost.

[CopperLine]

Two state solution : Israel within green line 1967 borders, nothing more. Palestine in West Bank and Gaza, nothing less.

[purdey]

There are thousands of Jews who would agree with the above, me included. But there are thousands who will not give an inch as they have no trust in the outside world.

[miltiades]

FAOmiltiades

The following list of massacres is by no means exclusive, but they reflect the nature of the Israeli occupation of Palestine and Lebanon and show that massacres and expulsions were not aberrations that happen in any war, but organized atrocities with only one aim, that is to have a Zionist state which is 'goyim rein'.
The King David Massacre
The Massacre at Baldat al-Shaikh
YEHIDA MASSACRE
KHISAS MASSACRE
QAZAZA MASSACRE
The Semiramis Hotel Massacre
The Massacre at Dair Yasin
NASER AL-DIN MASSACRE
THE TANTURA MASSACRE
BEIT DARAS MASSACRE
THE DAHMASH MOSQUE MASSACRE
DAWAYMA MASSACRE
HOULA MASSACRE
SHARAFAT MASSACRE
Salha Massacre
The Massacre at Qibya
KAFR QASEM MASSACRE
Khan Yunis Massacre
The Massacre in Gaza City
AL-SAMMOU' MASSACRE
Aitharoun Massacre
Kawnin Massacre
Hanin Massacre
Bint Jbeil Massacre
Abbasieh Massacre
Adloun Massacre
Saida Massacre
Fakhani Massacre
Beirut Massacre Sabra And Shatila Massacre
Jibsheet Massacre
Sohmor Massacre
Seer Al Garbiah
Maaraka Massacres
Zrariah Massacre
Homeen Al-Tahta Massacre
Jibaa Massacre
Yohmor Massacre
Tiri massacre
Al-Naher Al-Bared Massacre
Ain Al-Hillwee Massacre
OYON QARA MASSACRE
Siddiqine Massacre
AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE JABALIA MASSACRE
Aramta Massacre
ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE
Deir Al-Zahrani Massacre
Nabatiyeh (school bus) Massacre
Mnsuriah Massacre
The Sohmor Second Massacre
Nabatyaih Massacre
Qana Massacre
Trqumia Massacr
Janta Massacre
24 Of June 1999 Massacres

Of course there is no Israeli holocaust at least not in your pro-american world is there? This list is just the start of hundreds of documented Israeli massacres.Why dont you throw away your blinkers and research things before you post instead of going in feet first

What is the next stage of your continuation on this thread oh I know I'll probably be called a plonker or suchlike

Lets have some links and I will then post some of the hundreds and hundreds of atrocities committed against innocent men women and children by suicide bombers who were brainwashed into beleiving that they were fighting for freedom.
Tell us where you got this long list of atrocities mate.
No I will not call you a Plonker suffice to say you are misguided miss informed and grotesque in your comparison of the Nazi holocaust and the Palestinian conflict.The fact that you are a Jew hater is without question , the fact that you are also hopelessly inaccurate with your " analogy " is beyond question.
Lets have the lnks mate !

[miltiades]

There are thousands of Jews who would agree with the above, me included. But there are thousands who will not give an inch as they have no trust in the outside world.

Purdey , the Jews submitted to the Nazis and were led to the Gas chambers like innocent lambs , Never again will the Jews turn the other cheek , they must strike first at those who want to destroy them , self defence is fundamental in the struggle to survive.
I too believe that Israel MUST withdraw back to its pre 67 borders , such an act must follow a profound transition from violence on behalf of the Palestinians and acceptance by them of Israel's right to exist .
The Jews must never again turn and run but they MUST respect and appreciate the plight of the Palestinians and do their utmost to solicit the support of the Arab world in establishing a fertile ground in which negotiations take place to reach a peaceful settlement.
The Iranian nuclear power prospect only adds fuel to an already burning fire , we shall soon be discussing the horrendous results of such an adventure , I think ....