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[boulio]

so insan the t/c are citizens of the ROC CORRECT?

[CopperLine]

Whilst I don't agree with Insan's presentation of Turkish-Kurdish history s/he is clear and right to say What Ahmet Turk did in parliament does not constitute a seperatist action but it's unconstitutional.

[insan]

so insan the t/c are citizens of the ROC CORRECT?

Yes. So what? So, boulio. We agreed on 60s treaties and constitution, correct? Why did u then attempt to change it with an intention to degrade the political equality of TC community to minority status?

[YFred]

What's your point, CBB? Tell us and then we might discuss ur point. Throughout the history, until early 80s there's no problem between Turks and Kurds. What's happened then and a speratist Kurdish group suddenly appeared in Turkey? Could enmity spreading Hellenic and Armenian self-interest groups have a finger on it? Looking forward to hear your opinions free from any fears of being accused of treason.

Insan, how can you defend what Turkey is doing to the Kurds.
Which ever way you look at it, it is wrong. No excuse for it what so ever.
There was another incident like this just after they changed the law, where another politician spoke in a meeting and got arrested. His appeals to the arresting officer that it was no longer illegal fell on deaf ears. He got taken to the police station and then released.
Everyone should be aware of the law by now.

YFred, Kurds of Turkey and seperatist Kurdish terrorists/political groups should not be confused with each other. As I mentioned in my previous posts, Kurds of Turkey have never been considered as a minority in Turkey. How could it be since they fought together against the enemy to form a country called RoT?

Ahmet Turk's case was an intentional attempt... Read the rest of the story from CNN source plz.

What GCs r trying to portray is the Kurdish case of Turkey and TC case of Cyprus is same. This is what i am objecting and trying to tell them that there's no similarity between TC case and Kurdish case.

In the 80's I heard the Turkish Foreighn Minister deny that there were Kurds in Turkey never mind speak their language. The treatment the Kurds got from Turkish Government I would not wish on my dog.
Its the old excuse, let them speak their language and they will want independence. Its indefencable, immoral and inhuman. Even their democracy leaves a lot to be desired.

YFred, what u still insist on not to see is there r some enemies of Turkey that provoke innocent ordinary Kurds that fought together with Turks of Turkey to form RoT. The official language of Turkey is Turkish and accepted by people of Turkey in 1923. I am not against Kurds talking their own language but in Turkish parliament only Turkish language is allowed. What Ahmet Turk did in parliament does not constitute a seperatist action but it's unconstitutional.

On the other side of the medallion; the aim is to divide Turkey and give it's land to seperatist Kurds, Armenians and Greeks. I still have no problem if Turks of Turkey accepts such claims and decide to return to central Asia. However i see no such intention by Turks of Turkey. So, such seperatist and destructive plans on Turkey could only harm all people of Turkey, including the non-seperatist Turks.

Come on Insan, you know better than that. Correct me if I am wrong, but did Turkey allow the speaking of Kurdish in public and yet at the same time make it uncontstitutional to speak in Kurdish in Parliment?
Is that Stupid with a capital S or what.

[insan]

What's your point, CBB? Tell us and then we might discuss ur point. Throughout the history, until early 80s there's no problem between Turks and Kurds. What's happened then and a speratist Kurdish group suddenly appeared in Turkey? Could enmity spreading Hellenic and Armenian self-interest groups have a finger on it? Looking forward to hear your opinions free from any fears of being accused of treason.

Insan, how can you defend what Turkey is doing to the Kurds.
Which ever way you look at it, it is wrong. No excuse for it what so ever.
There was another incident like this just after they changed the law, where another politician spoke in a meeting and got arrested. His appeals to the arresting officer that it was no longer illegal fell on deaf ears. He got taken to the police station and then released.
Everyone should be aware of the law by now.

YFred, Kurds of Turkey and seperatist Kurdish terrorists/political groups should not be confused with each other. As I mentioned in my previous posts, Kurds of Turkey have never been considered as a minority in Turkey. How could it be since they fought together against the enemy to form a country called RoT?

Ahmet Turk's case was an intentional attempt... Read the rest of the story from CNN source plz.

What GCs r trying to portray is the Kurdish case of Turkey and TC case of Cyprus is same. This is what i am objecting and trying to tell them that there's no similarity between TC case and Kurdish case.

In the 80's I heard the Turkish Foreighn Minister deny that there were Kurds in Turkey never mind speak their language. The treatment the Kurds got from Turkish Government I would not wish on my dog.
Its the old excuse, let them speak their language and they will want independence. Its indefencable, immoral and inhuman. Even their democracy leaves a lot to be desired.

YFred, what u still insist on not to see is there r some enemies of Turkey that provoke innocent ordinary Kurds that fought together with Turks of Turkey to form RoT. The official language of Turkey is Turkish and accepted by people of Turkey in 1923. I am not against Kurds talking their own language but in Turkish parliament only Turkish language is allowed. What Ahmet Turk did in parliament does not constitute a seperatist action but it's unconstitutional.

On the other side of the medallion; the aim is to divide Turkey and give it's land to seperatist Kurds, Armenians and Greeks. I still have no problem if Turks of Turkey accepts such claims and decide to return to central Asia. However i see no such intention by Turks of Turkey. So, such seperatist and destructive plans on Turkey could only harm all people of Turkey, including the non-seperatist Turks.

Come on Insan, you know better than that. Correct me if I am wrong, but did Turkey allow the speaking of Kurdish in public and yet at the same time make it uncontstitutional to speak in Kurdish in Parliment?
Is that Stupid with a capital S or what.

YFred, vast majority of Kurds of Turkey r able to speak in Turkish, but vast majority of Turks of Turkey r not able to speak and understand Kurdish. If the Kurdish language is allowed in governmental institutions, could the Turks of Turkey undertand what they talk about?

[CopperLine]

What's your point, CBB? Tell us and then we might discuss ur point. Throughout the history, until early 80s there's no problem between Turks and Kurds. What's happened then and a speratist Kurdish group suddenly appeared in Turkey? Could enmity spreading Hellenic and Armenian self-interest groups have a finger on it? Looking forward to hear your opinions free from any fears of being accused of treason.

Insan, how can you defend what Turkey is doing to the Kurds.
Which ever way you look at it, it is wrong. No excuse for it what so ever.
There was another incident like this just after they changed the law, where another politician spoke in a meeting and got arrested. His appeals to the arresting officer that it was no longer illegal fell on deaf ears. He got taken to the police station and then released.
Everyone should be aware of the law by now.

YFred, Kurds of Turkey and seperatist Kurdish terrorists/political groups should not be confused with each other. As I mentioned in my previous posts, Kurds of Turkey have never been considered as a minority in Turkey. How could it be since they fought together against the enemy to form a country called RoT?

Ahmet Turk's case was an intentional attempt... Read the rest of the story from CNN source plz.

What GCs r trying to portray is the Kurdish case of Turkey and TC case of Cyprus is same. This is what i am objecting and trying to tell them that there's no similarity between TC case and Kurdish case.

In the 80's I heard the Turkish Foreighn Minister deny that there were Kurds in Turkey never mind speak their language. The treatment the Kurds got from Turkish Government I would not wish on my dog.
Its the old excuse, let them speak their language and they will want independence. Its indefencable, immoral and inhuman. Even their democracy leaves a lot to be desired.

YFred, what u still insist on not to see is there r some enemies of Turkey that provoke innocent ordinary Kurds that fought together with Turks of Turkey to form RoT. The official language of Turkey is Turkish and accepted by people of Turkey in 1923. I am not against Kurds talking their own language but in Turkish parliament only Turkish language is allowed. What Ahmet Turk did in parliament does not constitute a seperatist action but it's unconstitutional.

On the other side of the medallion; the aim is to divide Turkey and give it's land to seperatist Kurds, Armenians and Greeks. I still have no problem if Turks of Turkey accepts such claims and decide to return to central Asia. However i see no such intention by Turks of Turkey. So, such seperatist and destructive plans on Turkey could only harm all people of Turkey, including the non-seperatist Turks.

Come on Insan, you know better than that. Correct me if I am wrong, but did Turkey allow the speaking of Kurdish in public and yet at the same time make it uncontstitutional to speak in Kurdish in Parliment?
Is that Stupid with a capital S or what.

YFred,
It is quite simple really : the official language/s of a country is often given constitutional status, and this has been the case for the Republic of Turkey since its foundation, just as it was in the 1960 RoC constitution. What people choose to speak in public or privately is another matter.

[boulio]

im not degrading anyone insan,i just asked if the t/c are citizens of the republic.I hope one day the t/c community will be part of the ROC again and everyone on the island enjoys the benefits of the EU.

[insan]

im not degrading anyone insan,i just asked if the t/c are citizens of the republic.I hope one day the t/c community will be part of the ROC again and everyone on the island enjoys the benefits of the EU.

If it was RoC we would have already been on our seats reserved for us but returning to "RoC" is impossible for overwhelming majority of TCs. I'm a citizen of RoC not "RoC".

[Kifeas]

What's your point, CBB? Tell us and then we might discuss ur point. Throughout the history, until early 80s there's no problem between Turks and Kurds. What's happened then and a speratist Kurdish group suddenly appeared in Turkey? Could enmity spreading Hellenic and Armenian self-interest groups have a finger on it? Looking forward to hear your opinions free from any fears of being accused of treason.

What happened, and suddenly a Kurdish group appeared in Turkey, Insan? What a worthless question indeed! Insan, the answer is very simple! They woke up! They woke up and realized they are ancient people in their region, even before the appearance of the Turks, a people with an ancient history and a language that faces extinction under the fascist policies of an ideology bearing your drunkard "father's" name, and decided it is time to do something to defend their history, their identity and their dignity. They woke up Insan, and realized the gross manipulation they were subjected all these years, since they had given your fellow Turks a hand in annihilating the Armenians from Anatolia, and having been awarded for this the title of "mountain Turks!" They woke up and saw the big fiasco of your father's creation, when they discovered that your "motherland" was not willing to grand them even a 10% of the rights she has been winding you up to forcefully demand from the Greek Cypriots, and they decided that it is their turn to ask for a minimum of a fraction of such rights for themselves. Why is it so difficult for you to realize this very simple fact? So thick you are? You think only you, because you are Turkish Cypriots, should enjoy such privileges, being a minority of a similar percentage to that of themselves? Your father may have told you that "one Turk equals the whole world," but that doesn't mean you should have taken him seriously and for granted, because he might as well have been drunk when he said it!

[Kifeas]

Whilst I don't agree with Insan's presentation of Turkish-Kurdish history s/he is clear and right to say What Ahmet Turk did in parliament does not constitute a seperatist action but it's unconstitutional.

I fuck, spit and shit on Turkey's fascist constitution!