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[CBBB]

Insan are you stating that the Kurdish probelm in turkey was created by greece and armenia?

And people here stating kurds as 20% of population of turkey are wrong its closer to 30% and in 30 years can reach anywere from 40-50% as there birth rate is three fold of turks.

20% taken from the CIA World Fact Book.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... os/tu.html

[insan]

Insan are you stating that the Kurdish probelm in turkey was created by greece and armenia?

And people here stating kurds as 20% of population of turkey are wrong its closer to 30% and in 30 years can reach anywere from 40-50% as there birth rate is three fold of turks.

ARMENIAN, GREEK, AND KURDISH AMERICANS VOICE CONCERN TO 9 JEWISH AMERICAN GROUPS OVER LETTER CALLING FOR MORE U.S. AID TO TURKEY
http://www.anca.org/press_releases/pres ... p?prid=163

It doesn't matter how much the population of Kurdish origin people of Turkey increases because they r not a minority. In fact most of the MPs of Turkish parliament r Kurdish origin Turkey citizens. There r too many wealthy Kurdish origin, Turkish citizen businessmen, high ranked Kurdish origin Turkish citizen army officers. U r confusing seperatist Kurdish groups with Kurds of Turkey.

[YFred]

What's your point, CBB? Tell us and then we might discuss ur point. Throughout the history, until early 80s there's no problem between Turks and Kurds. What's happened then and a speratist Kurdish group suddenly appeared in Turkey? Could enmity spreading Hellenic and Armenian self-interest groups have a finger on it? Looking forward to hear your opinions free from any fears of being accused of treason.

Insan, how can you defend what Turkey is doing to the Kurds.
Which ever way you look at it, it is wrong. No excuse for it what so ever.
There was another incident like this just after they changed the law, where another politician spoke in a meeting and got arrested. His appeals to the arresting officer that it was no longer illegal fell on deaf ears. He got taken to the police station and then released.
Everyone should be aware of the law by now.

YFred, Kurds of Turkey and seperatist Kurdish terrorists/political groups should not be confused with each other. As I mentioned in my previous posts, Kurds of Turkey have never been considered as a minority in Turkey. How could it be since they fought together against the enemy to form a country called RoT?

Ahmet Turk's case was an intentional attempt... Read the rest of the story from CNN source plz.

What GCs r trying to portray is the Kurdish case of Turkey and TC case of Cyprus is same. This is what i am objecting and trying to tell them that there's no similarity between TC case and Kurdish case.

In the 80's I heard the Turkish Foreighn Minister deny that there were Kurds in Turkey never mind speak their language. The treatment the Kurds got from Turkish Government I would not wish on my dog.
Its the old excuse, let them speak their language and they will want independence. Its indefencable, immoral and inhuman. Even their democracy leaves a lot to be desired.

[CopperLine]

That is right insan. In Turkey a 20% of people are not even given their minority rights. In Turkey they give way less than what they should to their Kurdish minority, while in Cyprus they demand way more than what they should for their own minority.

In the UK there are no minority rights at all either. Thank goodness. Minority rights are a recipe for disaster as evidenced by twentieth century European history. The democratic rights of free and equal individuals is necessary. Your constant advocacy of minority rights, Piratis, is a trojan horse for discrimination.

[CBBB]

So as the Kurds are treated so well in Turkey why did this bloke speaking Kurdish create such an uproar?

[Piratis]

That is right insan. In Turkey a 20% of people are not even given their minority rights. In Turkey they give way less than what they should to their Kurdish minority, while in Cyprus they demand way more than what they should for their own minority.

In the UK there are no minority rights at all either. Thank goodness. Minority rights are a recipe for disaster as evidenced by twentieth century European history. The democratic rights of free and equal individuals is necessary. Your constant advocacy of minority rights, Piratis, is a trojan horse for discrimination.

By "Minority Rights" I refer to human rights, such as the right of people to speak and be educated in their own language, freely practice their religion etc. From what I know in the UK people are free to speak and be educated in any language they want.

Discrimination happens when you try to ignore that people within a country can speak different languages and practice a different religion and you are trying to force everybody to be the same.

[CopperLine]

So as the Kurds are treated so well in Turkey why did this bloke speaking Kurdish create such an uproar?

Was this directed at me ? I don't think Kurds are treated well. I know the opposite to be the case.

All the same, the Turkish constitution has always been clear about the exclusive status of the Turkish language. (And as my previous post was meant to indicate there are many acknowledged democracies which have similar language provisions).

[CBBB]

That is right insan. In Turkey a 20% of people are not even given their minority rights. In Turkey they give way less than what they should to their Kurdish minority, while in Cyprus they demand way more than what they should for their own minority.

In the UK there are no minority rights at all either. Thank goodness. Minority rights are a recipe for disaster as evidenced by twentieth century European history. The democratic rights of free and equal individuals is necessary. Your constant advocacy of minority rights, Piratis, is a trojan horse for discrimination.

There may be no minority rights in the UK, but there are less rights for the majority white Christian people. We can't have Christmas any more (winter holiday now), it might upset the muslims! Hindus can have Diwali!!!!

In the UK everything is now in reverse!

[CopperLine]

That is right insan. In Turkey a 20% of people are not even given their minority rights. In Turkey they give way less than what they should to their Kurdish minority, while in Cyprus they demand way more than what they should for their own minority.

In the UK there are no minority rights at all either. Thank goodness. Minority rights are a recipe for disaster as evidenced by twentieth century European history. The democratic rights of free and equal individuals is necessary. Your constant advocacy of minority rights, Piratis, is a trojan horse for discrimination.

By "Minority Rights" I refer to human rights, such as the right of people to speak and be educated in their own language, freely practice their religion etc. From what I know in the UK people are free to speak and be educated in any language they want.

Discrimination happens when you try to ignore that people within a country can speak different languages and practice a different religion and you are trying to force everybody to be the same.

That is not a 'minority right' : minority rights are collective rights attached to distinct groups of people. Human rights inhere in individuals qua human beings; they are not minority rights.

I have human right (confirmed in UDHR 1948 or EConvHR, for example) to freedom of expression which definitionally covers right to speak my mother tongue. It does not require a minority right protection. Equally my human right to freedom of conscience means that I can practice my own religion without fear of persecution, It does not require minority rights protection.

[insan]

What's your point, CBB? Tell us and then we might discuss ur point. Throughout the history, until early 80s there's no problem between Turks and Kurds. What's happened then and a speratist Kurdish group suddenly appeared in Turkey? Could enmity spreading Hellenic and Armenian self-interest groups have a finger on it? Looking forward to hear your opinions free from any fears of being accused of treason.

Insan, how can you defend what Turkey is doing to the Kurds.
Which ever way you look at it, it is wrong. No excuse for it what so ever.
There was another incident like this just after they changed the law, where another politician spoke in a meeting and got arrested. His appeals to the arresting officer that it was no longer illegal fell on deaf ears. He got taken to the police station and then released.
Everyone should be aware of the law by now.

YFred, Kurds of Turkey and seperatist Kurdish terrorists/political groups should not be confused with each other. As I mentioned in my previous posts, Kurds of Turkey have never been considered as a minority in Turkey. How could it be since they fought together against the enemy to form a country called RoT?

Ahmet Turk's case was an intentional attempt... Read the rest of the story from CNN source plz.

What GCs r trying to portray is the Kurdish case of Turkey and TC case of Cyprus is same. This is what i am objecting and trying to tell them that there's no similarity between TC case and Kurdish case.

In the 80's I heard the Turkish Foreighn Minister deny that there were Kurds in Turkey never mind speak their language. The treatment the Kurds got from Turkish Government I would not wish on my dog.
Its the old excuse, let them speak their language and they will want independence. Its indefencable, immoral and inhuman. Even their democracy leaves a lot to be desired.

YFred, what u still insist on not to see is there r some enemies of Turkey that provoke innocent ordinary Kurds that fought together with Turks of Turkey to form RoT. The official language of Turkey is Turkish and accepted by people of Turkey in 1923. I am not against Kurds talking their own language but in Turkish parliament only Turkish language is allowed. What Ahmet Turk did in parliament does not constitute a seperatist action but it's unconstitutional.

On the other side of the medallion; the aim is to divide Turkey and give it's land to seperatist Kurds, Armenians and Greeks. I still have no problem if Turks of Turkey accepts such claims and decide to return to central Asia. However i see no such intention by Turks of Turkey. So, such seperatist and destructive plans on Turkey could only harm all people of Turkey, including the non-seperatist Kurds.