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[insan]

Gen. Brown: I think history will show that they were rather inept
in the whole operation. I think analysis will show that their whole situation
was amateurish. Their air support was ineffective.
Secretary Kissinger: And they didn’t even get their paratroopers
anywhere near their enclaves.
Gen. Walters: Well, those enclaves are small and it’s hard to drop
them right on them.
Secretary Kissinger: But at least it would have kept the Greeks
busy.
Gen. Brown: The whole operation at Famagusta was a debacle.
There was no pre-planning or coordination, just a debacle.
Secretary Kissinger: How is it that they are so incompetent? Are
they (the Turks) really that strong on the island then?

[insan]

Secretary Kissinger: Correct! Everything else keeps going! We
don’t want the Greeks to think that they are being cut off. We want to
keep the sympathy of Greek officials.
Amb. McCloskey: We’re not holding up major items to Turkey too.
Mr. Jordan: They are continuing to be moved. We’ve only asked
the suppliers to check with us before moving them on.
Secretary Kissinger: What are the major items? What have we
stopped?
Mr. Jordan read from list.

[insan]

K: Right. The British are all out backing the Greeks right now and
are even threatening military action against the Turks which is one of
the stupidest things I have heard. All they have there on Cyprus are a
few Phantoms and 1,000 troops. It is purely a political thing. They could
not pull it off. They want to get a crisis started and we would then
have to settle it and they would claim credit.

[insan]

the Turkish tactics are right—grab what they want and then negotiate
on the basis of possession. But if the Turks run loose on Cyprus,
the Greeks could come unglued. We certainly do not want a war between
the two, but if it came to that, Turkey is more important to us
and they have a political structure which could produce a Qadhafi.
[Scowcroft left to call Macomber and returned after about 10
minutes.]3
Kissinger: We have been trying to bail the Cyprus situation out
after it got out of control. The British have made a mess of it. If the
Turks move to take what they want, they will be condemned in the
Security Council and the Soviet Union will beat them over the head
with it. Some of my colleagues want to cut off assistance to Turkey—
that would be a disaster. There is no American reason why the Turks
should not have one-third of Cyprus. We will make a statement today
that will get the New York Times off our back, but we should not twist
their arm.

[growuptcs]

insan, you keep insisting on walking on all fours instead of standing up and walking on your hind legs. Catch up and stop making a fool of free-thinkers because they're not down with your four-legged theories anymore.

[insan]

insan, you keep insisting on walking on all fours instead of standing up and walking on your hind legs. Catch up and stop making a fool of free-thinkers because they're not down with your four-legged theories anymore.

Four-legged theories? As a Dj i am; lively relaying u what was really going on, right from near Kissinger, Nixon and others and u still complain? It is obvious that truths disturb u. It's up to u to learn the truths or live within the boundaries of ur myth world full of jokes.

[Get Real!]

This is the only relevant and important section from all that you’ve posted in this thread… and btw, if you don’t believe GR, when he tells you that undemocratic political arrangements will NEVER work then take it from the devil himself…

“No matter what promises and guarantees the Turkish invaders managed to extract from the Greeks, both sides would attempt to bend a federal solution to their own desires. Thus federalism contains the same inherent instability as a return to the London–Zurich arrangements and would be no more workable over the long term. While far more acceptable to the Soviets than double enosis, neither federation nor a return to 1960 would meet the basic test of stable practicality.”

[insan]

This is the only relevant and important section from all that you’ve posted in this thread… and btw, if you don’t believe GR, when he tells you that undemocratic political arrangements will NEVER work then take it from the devil himself…

“No matter what promises and guarantees the Turkish invaders managed to extract from the Greeks, both sides would attempt to bend a federal solution to their own desires. Thus federalism contains the same inherent instability as a return to the London–Zurich arrangements and would be no more workable over the long term. While far more acceptable to the Soviets than double enosis, neither federation nor a return to 1960 would meet the basic test of stable practicality.”

True. I have never denied it. To the contrary i have always emphisized it. However not because i consider consociational democracy as anti-democratic... The only way for a solution is either a confederation or partition that i reckon u would not wish at least a few more years... The world is evolving so does Cyprus, soon prepare yourself what is only possible.

[growuptcs]

insan, you keep insisting on walking on all fours instead of standing up and walking on your hind legs. Catch up and stop making a fool of free-thinkers because they're not down with your four-legged theories anymore.

Four-legged theories? As a Dj i am; lively relaying u what was really going on, right from near Kissinger, Nixon and others and u still complain? It is obvious that truths disturb u. It's up to u to learn the truths or live within the boundaries of ur myth world full of jokes.

I'm not complaining why Kissinger, Nixon and others had a brown stain on their nose for Turkeys desires in Cyprus. Americans couldn't care less about either of us at the time, so don't tell me to learn the truth to what really happened with your one-sided propaganda approach. Deal with the situation today as it stands, where every UN resolution has Turkey violating practically everything that has to deal with Cyprus, with no more bullsh_t excuses on why you should have a segregated sun for TC's only in n.Cyprus.

BTW, Go back to being a DJ full time because your spinning skills suck here guy.

[growuptcs]

One more note insan, did you not know that Nixon got impeached and Kissinger was known to be very shady? JFK at the time was fighting for Cyprus, but we all know why he stopped fighting for our cause.